From: Nilen Area: Thelema To: Fir 9 Apr 95 19:01:04 Subject: Enochian & Goetic Rec'd UpdReq F>Hi again Grey, F> G> So far, I only know of one F> G> person who has mixed Enochian with Goetic magic without F> G> going insane, and some will yet contend that that person surely F> G> was mad. F>Pat Zalewski in his lecture on Enochian Magick mentioned mixing F>Enochian with other magickal systems, using Enochian magick as a F>binding power. I've tried playing with Enochian and some of the simpler rituals. The have always turned out to be wonderful for me. F>He mentioned mixing Enochian with Abra-Melin but unfortunately decided F>to leave that topic for a later lecture which I didn't attend. F>I did query someone who had attended and since no one asked the F>question, he didn't go into it further. F>Regards, Fir F>--- Maximus 2.02 F> * Origin: BaphoNet-Between-Rivers @ 201/434-3694 (31:1000/1) ___ X CMPQwk #1.4X UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grey Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 12 Apr 95 08:53:44 Subject: The Unicursal Hexagram UpdReq You have to line up the points when you overlap the pentagrams. It doesn't work with precisely-angled figures. Lon DuQuette made the same observation in his book The Magick of Thelema, except that he didn't draw the obvious conclusion. At least he didn't write it. It does help somewhat to lay the pentagrams out on the Tree O' Life when doing this. This way, it is done twice, once below the Abyss and once across it (NOT above it). The first unicursal hexagram has the lower point in Malkuth and the uppermost point in Tiphareth, with Yesod in the center. I interpreted that as attaining to Knowledge and Conversation. The other set of figures, the one lying across the Abyss, has the lower point in Tiphareth and the upper point in Kether. The interpretation is obvious. The use of the Tree is only a convention though. The real good stuff in my opinion is how it relates in the Star Sapphire ritual. Keeping in mind that the actual figures are only symbols, focus on what they symbolise and how they relate. Just as an aside, if you've ever read the Sepher Yetzirah, you've seen the alternate diagrams of the Tree of Life. There are some interesting speculations in laying out the pentagrams and hexagrams, as described above, using these alternative arrangements. That's just what I've found. Figured I'd share it with you. Grey 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Grey 13 Apr 95 10:36:54 Subject: Re: 8th Aethyr Semantics UpdReq G> The recipe for Abramelin Incense.... Thanks Grey! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Dave 2 Apr 95 06:14:04 Subject: Re: JUGORUM UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Howdy Dave! Nice to 'meet' you. ;> > I think another important point about Jugorum is that while it obviously > seems to be an exercise in "self remembering", it also seems to be an exercise > in helping one realize what the "self" part really is. That is, one > takes on > the role of will (or a "watcher") attempting to continually observe the > actions of the organism. The fact that the will can inflict a cut upon the > organism comes across to the aspirant as at least subjective experience of > their potential separateness.Perhaps this accounts for the fact that people > who have practiced Jugorum speak of an uplifting, freeing experience along > with more precise self-remembering. Hmmm, an interesting take on Jugorum indeed! Is the sense of potential separateness something desireable, though, would you say? Wouldn't we be working more along the lines of uniting the Will with the conscious, sub- and un- conscious, with the 'ogranism' as a whole? > I've never tried Jugorum myself; as a college student balancing 5 courses, > a job search, a job, and a (not totally dead) social life, I'd > probably bleed > to death! :)I recall reading in "A Master of the Temple" about Frater Achad > that he practiced Jugorum while working somewhere - several times > his slipups > were at work. I'd probably try to set aside some "retirement" time > for that one... Me too neither as for practicing Jugorum. Today's the day I'm out interviewing, and as I mentioned to Brother Skeeve, I'm gonna try some today. LOL--I'll be sure to let you know how it goes--awful, I'm sure! I obviously won't be gashing my arm in front of the interviewees; I'm going to note breaks on my handy-dandy micro-cassette recorder, and see how that seems to work for me. I have only a dim recollection of reading "A Master of the Temple;" I know a lot of it was set in a tent out in the middle of nowhere...what was he doing for a living while practicing Jugorum at work, d'you remember? I probably won't babble about it again till my status as 'armchair Jugorumite' has been upgraded to experienced practitioner, whether with straight razor, rubber band, or noting breaks and increasing attention. We'll see what happens! ;> Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718