From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 3 Apr 95 14:03:00 Subject: PODNET foulups Rec'd UpdReq JN>This message finally made it here -- _twenty-five_days_ after it was JN>sent! Same for one from CP and one from the Cegorach. JN>What sort of black hole swallows messages from three different BBSs for JN>that long, and then spits them back up? 93 Josh! For the past week or so, Mysteria BBS 1:102/943 has only gotten 2 messages into Thelema echo. Today there was about two dozen. Something must be up in PODS. Remember when I sent that message a few months ago asking who's here? This seems to be an ongoing problem. I daresay someone's routed this conference through Da'ath, or something like that anyway...;-) Take care...93/93 --.\\<-H-- michelle.hass@ledge.com * SLMR 2.1a * Support creators rights for animation creators! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 3 Apr 95 06:51:58 Subject: Re: REPLIES... UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > re: Existence is pure Joy (r). > > I prefer Sunlight (r), myself. Of course, I'm partial to Dawn myself! Glad to see that thus far, IInd isn't interfering with your warped sense of...uhm, whatever it is! };> Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Paul Hume 2 Apr 95 23:41:02 Subject: Re: Vachss UpdReq My ex, Pam Troy, has debated Vachss face to face on these issues, and she has not found him reluctant to endorse grandiose and fanciful models of child abuse. He may have moderated his stance in the intervening years (possibly even as a result of these debates, with which he was apparently impressed), but I have a hard time forgiving anyone who helps fuel an atmosphere of hysteria in which people's lives are destroyed based on bad psychology and false accusations. You said that "the pedophile, however he or she likes to dress up the act, is an excellent candidate for shooting." Since so many abused children grow up to be abusers themselves, I have never understood this attitude. It seems to say, "You scum, abusing an innocent child! How could you harm this little angel? Of course, as soon as the kid grows up, let's hang him from the nearest lamp post...." No one is a "candidate for shooting" in any decent system of ethics, unless shooting them is the only way to protect someone else from a clear and present danger to life and limb. That is why all civilized countries have banned capital punishment. The self-righteousness of an imperious death sentence on people who in many cases are themselves victims of abuse is doing no one any good. Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 4 Apr 95 20:34:54 Subject: Unicursal Hexagram & The Abyss! UpdReq 93 CP, Eavesdropping on a msg from you to Grey: CP> Anyway, thanks. Got anything on Enochiana? Sounds like those guys in San Francisco have an Enochian study group going. Congrats to you and your wife on your recent inits! 93 93/93, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 4 Apr 95 23:19:26 Subject: Re: LESSER HEX RITUAL Hi Rose, Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. RD> I've been told my Lesser Hex ritual is 'feminine'...no insult implied in RD> the statement. I saw you do a Lesser Hex last October, que no? I thought you did a beautiful job, and yes it was a soft vs. a hard energy. Love is the law, love under will. Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Grey 4 Apr 95 23:24:40 Subject: 8th Aethyr Semantics Hi Grey, G> The eighth Aethyr G> is so far the very best instruction I've seen for obtaining Knowledge and G> Conversation. Keep your eye on the Big Picture... Moving from the big picture to the detail for a min: 'and there upon shall he burn incense made of four parts of olibanum and two parts of stacte, and one part of lignum aloes, or of cedar, or of sandal' Olibanum is frankincense I'm purty sure. What is stacte? Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Grey 4 Apr 95 23:29:00 Subject: Enochian & Goetic Hi again Grey, G> So far, I only know of one G> person who has mixed Enochian with Goetic magic without G> going insane, and some will yet contend that that person surely was mad. Pat Zalewski in his lecture on Enochian Magick mentioned mixing Enochian with other magickal systems, using Enochian magick as a binding power. He mentioned mixing Enochian with Abra-Melin but unfortunately decided to leave that topic for a later lecture which I didn't attend. I did query someone who had attended and since no one asked the question, he didn't go into it further. Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718