From:    Rose Dawn                              Area: Thelema
To:      Skeeve                                 28 Mar 95 08:26:14
Subject: JUGORUM                                UpdReq 

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 Greets Bro!
 I remember your mentioning practicing the Jugorum thang using a rubber band 
instead of a razor. For those of us who have jobs, families, and dealings 
with the public, sounds much more sensible than walking around with gashes 
all over one's forearms--LOL! I've been doing some thinking about the whole 
*concept* of Jugorum recently, though, and wondering about its efficacy in 
accomplishing the stated goal of control of thought.
 Specifically, it seems that the basic stuff recommended therein is eminently 
sound--training oneself to avoid thinking of specific things, saying specific 
things, doing specific things--but maybe the method is a bit 
counter-productive. If you 'punish' yourself for breaks, whether the method 
is slashing the arm with a razor, snapping the wrist with a rubber band, or 
anything else that causes pain or discomfort, it seems as though what you're 
*really* training yourself to do is to avoid pain, and that's already a 
hard-wired trait in most human beings. It seems to me that training oneself 
through sheer force of Will, without any negative stimuli to be avoided, 
would bring much more powerful, and *lasting* results. It'd be harder, of 
course, but it ain't really spozed to be 'easy'!
 I didn't 'train' my daughter to 'act right' through physical punishment; I 
didn't train my dog that way either...so, should I train my mind that way? 
I'm wondering if simply noting breaks, as one would do with many other types 
of practices, wouldn't be a more effective practice. Possibly writing about 
the exercise in one's magical journal, and attempting to analyze the reason 
for the break, or circumstances that may have contributed to it, also seems 
like a way to go to me.
 All that said, have you found Jugorum to be valuable to your personal 
development? Anyone else reading who has practiced with razor, rubber band, 
or any other method, please feel free to jump on in as well!  ;>
 Thanks for listening to me ramble, & looking forward to your thoughts!  :>
 Love is the law, love under will.

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From:    Rose Dawn                              Area: Thelema
To:      Paul Hume                              28 Mar 95 08:31:24
Subject: LESSER HEX RITUAL                      UpdReq 

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 Howdy Paul,
 I need some tips on the 'Thelemicized standard Lesser Hex ritual.'  Since you 
seem to have heard of just about *everything*, I'm hoping you might have some 
advice for me!  ;>
 I'm not talking about the Star Sapphire, but the Lesser Hex, replacing 
'Virgo, Isis, Holy Mother,' etc., with: "Virgo, Nuit, Holy Mother; Scorpio, 
Hadit, Holy Father, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Holy Child. Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, 
ABRAHADABRA!"
 That's about all I know about this version.  :/  Would one then continue on 
with the LVX signs, replace them with the NOX Signs, or use some entirely 
different set of signs with which I'm not familiar? Would ABRAHADABRA replace 
ARARITA, or would ARARITA still go in there after the Hex's are traced? Would 
one use the elemental hexagrams, as in the standard Lesser Hex, or a Solar 
banishing unicursal, or what? Would you trace the hex first, then vibrate 
ABRAHADABRA <or ARARITA> and do the Enterer, followed by Silence? Just what 
the heck *would* one do?  ;>  Any thoughts?
 Love is the law, love under will.

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