From: Dave Area: Thelema To: Tim Maroney 5 Feb 95 19:28:28 Subject: RE: Radical Religious Right UpdReq TM> What's the question? The LBRP is sometimes visualized as taking place TM> on the Tree of Life, facing Tiphareth, with Yesod at the back. One is TM> then standing in the center on the intersection between the paths Samekh TM> (between Tiphareth and Yesod) and Pe (between Netzach and Hod). TM> According to some Well, the question was that we (Larry and I) didn't understand why the archangels didn't "line up" correctly (as attributed to the sephiroth surrounding the 'intersection'). For example, Raphael, often 'attributed' to Tiphareth, is indeed "in front of me". But Michael, often attributed to Hod, would be on my "right hand", however Hod would be on my left. I think the question was dealt with best by assuming that the sephiroth/archangel 'attributions' didn't really apply here. There was further confusion when Larry vided the "Archangels of Assiah" in 777 and that added to the problems. Thoughts? Pax db 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin Bold Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 2 Feb 95 12:56:52 Subject: Radical Religious Right UpdReq 93! |MH > KB>These ideas are not in the Contract, have just as much 1st |MH > KB>Amendment protection as our opinions, and _voluntary_ |MH > KB>prayer in public school was never against the law; |MH > KB>unfortunately, some local school boards, teachers, and |MH > KB>ACLU members aren't aware of this fact, which I hope will |MH > KB>come up during the discussion of a school prayer amendment. |MH > Ok Kevin...would >you<, as a member of a minority religio/philosophical |MH > group (A Thelemite) want YOUR CHILD to be forced to say The Lord's |MH > Prayer in class each day? I wouldn't. Look again at what I said, and note the key word _voluntary_. A school which sends a kid home for saying "grace" before lunch (and that has happened) will do the same to the kid who says "Will". |MH > KB>Then why are so many countries with "national health care" |MH > KB>(translation: socialist medicine) thinking of going back to |MH > KB>privatized medicine? |MH > You didn't answer my question about Canada. There has been opinion poll |MH > after opinion poll where the majority of Canadians, although not |MH > entirely satisfied with their health care system, find the current |MH > system a hell of a lot better than their previous insurance company- |MH > driven system. Actually, I was including of Canada; these polls you mention are news to me. |MH > But we're stuck with a mixed economy. No way is any sort of libertarian |MH > revolution going to work with all the people with vested interests in |MH > seeing the status-quo continue. That which you say will never happen is in the works right now. |MH > People still do get turned away from private hospitals if |MH > they don't have insurance or have the wrong kind of insurance. _I_ received treatment without insurance. Can you come up with any instances to support your case? (BTW, there is no such thing as a "right" to health care, any more than there is a "right" to _any_ service or product.) |MH > It took me 3 1/2 years to get the excruciating gastrointestinal pain |MH > episodes correctly diagnosed as gallstones and an attending infection. |MH > By the time I was taken to a local hospital in an ambulance, my gall |MH > bladder was very badly inflamed and in danger of bursting and causing |MH > peritonitus. The local hospital figured out that >something< was wrong |MH > with me, but they didn't bother to check out specifics. I was put on |MH > another ambulance and trucked from the San Fernando Valley to Torrance |MH > and Harbor-UCLA Medical Center. Finally there they did an ultrasound, |MH > and found the problem. The surgeon who did the cholecystectomy said that |MH > in roughly two weeks the gall bladder would have burst, sending bacteria |MH > all over my abdominal cavity and putting me in danger of dying. Sounds to me like your problems were due to incompetance, which nationalizing health care will only encourage. (BTW, glad you're better!) |MH > As far as my views on Prop. 187 and yours...we will probably never be |MH > able to find common ground. I mentioned potential solutions to the |MH > problem of illegal immigration: a better and smoother naturalization |MH > process... Since I'm all for that, I think we do have some common ground after all. I don't want to keep immigrants out; I just want to keep them off the dole. 93--93/93... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: All 4 Feb 95 23:27:36 Subject: Wuzupwitdis? UpdReq I have noticed that there has been a very light amount of mail traffic in this echo. My question is this...have the Thelemites all migrated elsewhere, or is there something wrong with the PODSnet distribution system? I'm here on Mysteria...who's receiving me? 93, --.\\<-H-- /\ A reckless driver on the Information Superhighway... \./ \,/ --.\\<-H-- Michelle Klein-Hass, writer/provocateur X >< X email: michelle.hass@ledge.com Fidonet: 1:102/943 /'\ /`\ Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 \/ "There is joy in the setting-out, | "The night is young! There is joy in the journey, | And we have umbrellas There is joy in the goal."--L.90 | in our drinks!" --The Tick Whoa! That .sig, like, sucks or something! Huh huh huh huh huh huh.... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin Bold Area: Thelema To: Tim Maroney 5 Feb 95 07:00:00 Subject: Where??? UpdReq 93! TM> Hmm. I just had an interesting idea for a ritual to take place at the TM> intersection of Gimel and Cheth. Worth considering. Since the paths of Gimel and Cheth are parallel, and therefore cannot intersect, it must be a _very_ interesting idea! 93--93/93... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718