From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: The Cegorach 7 Dec 94 11:24:44 Subject: Re: RANDOLPH UpdReq 93! PBR wrote "Eulis" fer-sher...*possibly* the manuscript published by Magickal Childe as _Sexual Magic_ although I've personally doubted that since I acquired a copy...and a few others, whose names I can't recall at the moment. Interesting guy! ;> 93 93/93 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 7 Dec 94 07:25:30 Subject: WM. BLAKE CAMP NEWSLETTER UpdReq 93 CP, I'm finally getting around to sending some money for your newsletter and want to make sure to include enough for back issues. How many issues have you published so far? Thanks for that first issue you sent in case I haven't thanked you yet! 93 93/93, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Baphomet Area: Thelema To: Fir 6 Dec 94 23:11:02 Subject: Re: British Symposium UpdReq > A recent edition of Nuit Isis has an avertisement for the Ninth > International Symposium of Thelemic Magick in October '94 sponsored > by The Golden Dawn Occult Society (Oxford). > > Topics mentioned include Enochian Magick, Austin Spare, Sexual > Magick, Greek Kabbalah, and Liber Samekh. > > Did you hear anything about this and do you know if these people > ever publish papers, etc. out of this symposium? Hello. Forgive me for butting into your conversation, but I know a little about the group involved. They were founded in Oxford, I suppose around 1982, by a charming bloke called "Mog". I know his full name, but as he always used this nickname, I'll stick to that. I recall vaguely that he was a post- graduate student at the University and was studying, I think, Sanskrit. An intelligent and erudite chap, he gathered together a few "students of the occult" for monthly discussion meetings. We used to tackle subjects as diverse as animal welfare, nuclear disarmament and Crowley, though I suspect that the driving force of the group was Thelemic. The Oxford Golden Dawn Occult Society also organised an occult art display at Oxford Public Library (!) and a showing of Kenneth Anger's Magick Lantern Cycle. I broke contact with them before their first Symposium but not before making the link with a rather more serious group. I know very little about Mog or his group's activities now. He edited an excellent little tome called _Strange Oxford_ and, I believe, set up a publishing company called "Mandrake". They've published a few things, including, if memory serves, _The Magical Dilemna of Victor Neuburg_ by Jean Overton Fuller. Rumour has it that the Thame-based "Mandrake Press" -- the most impressive mail order retailer and publisher of Crowleyana that I know of -- had a frank exchange of views over the company name! I recall that Ray Sherwin gave a lecture at a previous Symposium - held at Oxford Town Hall (!) - and this was published in a subsequent copy of _Nuit Isis_ so that may be a good place to look. As I say, forgive the intrusion. Hope it wasn't too dull - I'm not a great user of E-mail! All the best Paul ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Doug Plexico 7 Dec 94 09:12:00 Subject: Copy-rights... UpdReq DP>That is a shame. Crowley's works should be Public Domain. DP>It's like having a copyright on the Bible! I would hope that there wasn't a parallel between Crowley's works and the Bible...I don't consider any scripture inerrant and infallable like Christians look at the Bible. I could see a world of trouble coming from such a stand. --.\\<-H-- * SLMR 2.1a * All who seek Dao will find it in time -- Lao Tzu 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 8 Dec 94 16:06:20 Subject: Stargate (2 of 4) UpdReq -=> Josh Norton sent a message to Christeos Pir on 02 Dec 94 00:00:00 <=- -=> Re: Stargate (2 of 4) <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. JN> (Eric Partridge's excellent etymological dictionary offers the half- JN> serious alternative that the word derives from the Greek "puramis", a JN> sort of party-cake. These "mystic monuments" are really nothing more JN> than giant baklavas! ) This sounds like the cart before the horse to me. BTW, Tony and Az0th: this message never made it to the Arena (or if it did I was too burnt and overlooked it). Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... Who hath set thee to save us? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Andy Bender 8 Dec 94 16:23:04 Subject: More Ac Bull. UpdReq -=> Andy Bender sent a message to Christeos Pir on 01 Dec 94 08:19:00 <=- -=> Re: More Ac Bull. <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. AB> The only difference being that the Chick tracts purport to hand out AB> information directly, and are quite humorous. :-) I hope there's more difference than that! But it _would_ be fun to come up with something as hokey. Maybe just take one of theirs and redo the writing? AB> seen little notes in books at the library. Mostly things like "If you AB> like this book, call xxx-xxxx for study group information." That's sort of what I was thinking, maybe on business cards (hey, Avery makes sheets of business card stock that you can run through a printer or xerox!) AB> course, there are the Golden Dawn advertisements found between covers AB> at better bookstores everywhere. Haven't seen them yet. AB> PITA? Is that PITY? Pain In The Yass? AB> Most of the libraries I've been to have more than a AB> few texts by Crowley himself, either in reference or available for Say what? You must live in a more civilized area than DC. I've yet to see any mention of his stuff in any catalogs in the Md., Va., or DC libraries -- except the Library of Congress, of course. AB> and even if the libraries do not have it in stock, there are AB> almost always ways to borrow books from other libraries via inter- AB> library loan. That's no help if John or Jane Q. Public doesn't know what they're looking for. AB> I think, then, the problem is not that John and Jane have only one AB> source of information, but rather that John and Jane only choose to AB> find one type of information, or are too lazy to imagine that there AB> might be other viewpoints worth reading. (I imagine it is a rather AB> common activity for the general populace to read one book on any given AB> subject and consider themselves well-versed.) While I can certainly agree with the last statement, I think the problem here in the 'burbs is more likely one of ignorance. Instead what happens is that they run across something like Painted Black as they're cruising through the shelves. :-( Which is why, since stealing the "bad" books and hiding them in the dumpster is a no-no, I'd like to push for a book-buying campaign among pagan and occult types. (Actually, the libraries here are better on neo-pagan topics -they _do_ have Adler, Budapest, etc.- than they are on modern CM.) That's not to say that the fundies around here (this IS where they were protesting the library's free subscription to a gay newspaper, remember) wouldn't take those copies of MWT or The Golden Dawn or Mysteria Magicka and hide _them_ in the dumpster! Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... They catch the shrieks in cups of gold, 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Fir 8 Dec 94 16:24:42 Subject: DIS & DAT UpdReq -=> Fir sent a message to Rose Dawn on 03 Dec 94 12:52:20 <=- -=> Re: DIS & DAT <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Fi> BTW, in looking thru _The Book of the Law for Laymen_ by Fi> Rev. Yaj Nololos, S.P. he suggests that thick leavings of Fi> red wine is almost-frozen red wine. Thought you might Fi> get a tickle out of that. ??? The WHAT by WHO? "Yes, Pat, I'd like to buy a clue." Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... Then let him sway the force of him to and fro like a satyr in silence, 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 8 Dec 94 16:27:02 Subject: Re: GREAT GOD AC? UpdReq -=> Rose Dawn sent a message to Bruce Kroeze on 03 Dec 94 09:28:30 <=- -=> Re: Re: GREAT GOD AC? <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. RD> Conspiracy theory? It's the same two people...they travel from place RD> to place, and pounce on the unwary hollering "AC said it, I believe RD> it, that settles it!!" at the top of their lungs, then fade back into RD> the woodwork before anyone else has a chance to notice them. ;> Tim's gonna be pissed that you've blown his cover! RD> all the 'fundie Thelemites' have ever read a *single* thread posted RD> therein...and if so, how they can post about all the 'Crowleyites' RD> with a straight face!> Tim reads the posts, he just sees EE-vile fundie Crowleyites under every bed. Love is the law, love under will. - V - ... And many of the Eternol Ones laughed after their manner: 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Tony Iannotti 8 Dec 94 16:30:06 Subject: OCR UpdReq -=> Tony Iannotti sent a message to Christeos Pir on 05 Dec 94 18:43:09 <=- -=> Re: OCR <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. TI> Actually, the good ones are more like 600-800. The best I've seen is TI> Caere with the co-processor board (Microway MPUs ), but that was over TI> a grand. Excuse ME... I wasn't thinking any further than a good handheld, and you're talking flatbeds? TI> You gots, the help file is: Much obliged, cap'n. TI> And I have still not collected the egc messages. Whenever you get that round tuit. Love is the law, love under will. - V - ... This Angel, who is now become a Devil, is my particular friend 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718