From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Michael Aquino 24 Oct 94 16:18:08 Subject: Re: book of coming forth UpdReq -=> Michael Aquino sent a message to Kevin Bold on 21 Oct 94 13:21:44 <=- -=> Re: Re: book of coming forth <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. MA> This ought to be good material for a dissertation entitled "The MA> Quantum Mechanics of the _Book of the Law_" ... No doubt coming soon from Gerry Scheuler. %-@ Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... The river also became the river of Amrit, 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Watts Area: Thelema To: Michael Aquino 22 Oct 94 22:20:00 Subject: Re: book of coming forth UpdReq 93 Michael! MA> I have always interpreted _AL_'s Nuit as "infinity" and Hadit as a MA> contrasting "infinitesmal point", at least in the physical-universe MA> sense. The kind of theoretical antipodes that used to give us headaches MA> in high school geometry: There are an infinite number of points on a MA> line of finite length, etc. Yow. Woah!!! I agree with Aquino on this one. I think you got this one right(despite the oodles of ToS bashing on this echo) MA> This ought to be good material for a dissertation entitled "The MA> Quantum Mechanics of the _Book of the Law_" ... ROTFL 93 93/93 ... Nietzsche Pops: Der berbreakfast. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andrew Haigh Area: Thelema To: To Meta Thereon 24 Oct 94 16:10:12 Subject: Covens UpdReq TMT> I do not understand your disrespect for humankind. No you do not understnd my lack of respect for those who would champion themselves as the next great one. TMT> If you haven't the common courtousy to respect others TMT> opinions, then how is it that you can even consider TMT> yourself a magickian. Heh, the pot is calling the kettle pot. I think that you should look a little closer at the image in the mirror and realize that you have shown disrespect for other's opinions. I merely chose to remind you that hubris can be a terrible thing and that a certain amount of humility and humour can go a long way when dealing with the less savoury parts of one's psyche. TMT> I am sorry if I offended your TMT> all powerful ego and delivered to you news that TMT> settled poorly in your stomach, but reality is a TMT> powerful trip, and you are never coming down. You assume that I have an ego as large as yours and that it is easily assaulted by the truth. Do not make this mistake again. I was once on such as you and it took some pretty powerful lessons to make me realize that hubris and ego-expansion was not the best way to progress. To much ego and all you find in the world is yourself. This gets tedious and *quite* boring after awhile Besides I'll come down when I die. TMT> If you want to hide in your room all day and pretend like you are TMT> affecting the world with your all so important Will, TMT> then I believe you are the one who should be reading TMT> the books. You are the one that hasn't grasped the TMT> intricacies of magickal thought. Sorry, I stopped masturbating years ago. And my Will is not as important as you would make me think it was. I am only an egg. TMT> If you believe that you are greater or more important than me, then I TMT> cannot value your opinions on magick because you have TMT> ignored the primal rule of "Every man and woman is a TMT> star." This sentiment is found in all natural pagan TMT> paths also. Now, if you want to challenge me to a TMT> childish war of words, then I suggest that you just TMT> log off right now, think about what you are doing, TMT> and reevaluate your purpose. Please show me where I ignored this. I give you every credit for your own stellar nature, you have your path to sweep through the cosmos as do I. Do not presume any different. And as for logging off, sorry. The OASIS is my board and I should no sooner log of than die at this moment. TMT> Perhaps you are a great magickian. Perhaps you can TMT> make the very ground tremble at your touch, but as an TMT> angry old man, you lose all the respect of others by TMT> attempting to overpower them with hatred. The most TMT> volitile spirits will depart if you invoke Venus, but TMT> Mars just spurns them on. Angry old man? Wrong on the first two counts buckaroo. Neither angry nor old, Male yes, angry and old no. You seem to have it in mind that I am something that I am not. Never pre-script anything as it will only lead to your disappointment. TMT> May Choronzon be gentle on your soul. To late for that one. Choronozon and I have met in the Abyss, it was a valiant battle. I died. Now we have an understanding, I leap into the Abyss, I die. It has happenend several times in the past, it shall happen several times in the future. How many times have you died TMT? @:|---- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: Thelema To: MICHELLE HASS 19 Oct 94 21:52:00 Subject: RE: CHAOS MAGICK PRACTIC UpdReq -=> Quoting Michelle Hass to Joseph Max <=- JM> Nobody ever said that crossing the Abyss was supposed to be easy! MH> Quite true. And if you don't have your psychological act together MH> before you make the attempt...look out. BTW I am not even close to MH> that level. MH> I'd rather put magick down for awhile and clean up my psychological MH> garbage than risk being really high...and totally nutso. JM> (All kidding aside, good luck on your path. - J:.M:.555) MH> And to you too. At least I can keep up with the theory here in MH> cyberspace. BTW did you know that 555 = Hadit in gematria? And also MH> Eleuthera, which is Freedom in Greek? (In his best Wayne Cambell voice): Yes, I was aware of that... It is also what the Gematria of my given name adds to. AND it is my own personal expression of 5 = 6: 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 = 6! ... Try something less risky - like recording Enochian rap... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: Thelema To: KEVIN BOLD 19 Oct 94 21:52:00 Subject: Re: THELEMIC MEANINGS UpdReq -=> Quoting Kevin Bold to Joseph Max <=- KB > If it's okay with you, I'd like to include your "What KB > Thelemites Say and what they really mean" in the next issue KB > of _Annuit Coeptis_. JM> Absolutely! I am impressed and glad to see the healthy JM> sense of humor you're expressing here! Go fo it...! KB> Thanks for your permission to include it. Do you have a PO Box where KB> I could send you a copy? Just send it to: Joseph Max 648 Haight Avenue, Box R Alameda, CA 94501 And thank _you_! KB> BTW, I believe you once said to someone that you weren't an "official" KB> Thelemite because you're not an OTO initiate. Please note that OTO KB> does _not_ stand for "Official Thelemite Organization". Just as you KB> can be a Catholic without being a priest, monk, or nun, or a patriot KB> without joining the military, you can be a Thelemite without joining KB> the OTO. Of course. My first exposure to modern magick was via some "rogue" Thelemites, in fact. Thelema best describes my personal ethos, to be sure. And some of my _best friends_ are OTO.... It's probably my own personal quirks that prevent me from joining magickal lodges, though I work with a Chaos Magic guild quite frequently. (And it includes a few OTO initiates as well!) ... I'm so libertarian, I wouldn't even join their party. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: Thelema To: MICHELLE HASS 19 Oct 94 21:52:00 Subject: RE: FIRE! UpdReq -=> Quoting Michelle Hass to Joseph Max <=- MH> On 10-14-94 JOSEPH MAX wrote to ZEEKRAM... JM> Return to thy sacred fire space, and point the Wand at the MH> flammable JM> material of your choice. With the magic words, "Fire is Cool... MH> heh heh JM> heh..." stroke the elemantal wheel of the Wand, and a great MH> flame will burst JM> forth! MH> MH> Whoa! And like, would it work better if I, like, put on one of my MH> Danzig albums? And, like, assumed the God-form of the Great MH> Cornholio? Huh huh huh...that would be cool. Yes! And Cornholio will manifest TEEPEE... for your bunghole.... Are you threatening MEEEE?!? - J:.M:.555 ... "Milhouse, we live in the age of cooties!" - Bart Simpson ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: Thelema To: CONCERNED 3RD DEGREE 19 Oct 94 21:52:00 Subject: Re: HYATT KICKED OUT OF O UpdReq -=> Quoting Concerned 3rd Degree to All <=- C3D> I just heard that the judas Christopher Hyatt violated the sanctity C3D> of a holy OTO temple and has been thrown out of the OTO in disgrace C3D> along with some of the heretics from the IOT. Hertics of the IOT! Mah Gawd, it's them damn CHAOS MAGICIANS CAUSIN' TREBBLE AGAIN, MAW! GET A ROPE! We got us a JUDAS tah hang......! Yeeeeeeeeee- HAW! ... "Faith is not wishing to know what is true." - Nietzsche ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: Thelema To: KAYLA BLOCK 19 Oct 94 21:53:00 Subject: Re: THELEMIC MEANINGS UpdReq -=> Quoting Kayla Block to Joseph Max <=- KB> 93 joseph, KAYLA! Where ya been, girlfriend! I was just thinking about you the other day, and was about to post a message to see if anyone had heard from ya lately! KB > If it's okay with you, I'd like to include your "What KB > Thelemites Say and what they really mean" in the next issue KB> uh.....joseph, it's nice of you to give permission to kevin to publish KB> this, except that near as i can figure, you didn't write it. 'what KB> thelemites say and what they really mean' was written by soror timshel KB> of baphomet lodge several years ago. Hey, he asked me "if it was okay with me". Well, yes, it is okay with me. I never claimed to be the original author or "copyright holder". In case you missed it, I even said so when posting it, and elaborated later by saying "I got this off UUCP's alt.magick echo, and added 2 items of my own." I had no idea where the original list came from, as it was not credited. Often those kind of things have no other source than the net, having been original postings. And quite often they are "added to" as they go along, the way I did. Since it had no other attribution, I assumed that was the case here. I apologise for any misunderstanding on the part of those who missed my disclaimer. Aside form that, where ya been - New Zealand or something ? Or just lurking the nets in silence? Enquiring busybodies wanna know... - J:.M:.555 ... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 25 Oct 94 10:02:00 Subject: organization, hazards & UpdReq On 10-23-94 Kevin Bold wrote to Michelle Hass... KB> 93! MH> I knew quite a few Baphomet Lodge members, and have remained friends MH> with one who is a very special sister of mine. But I never wanted MH> to belong. I just wasn't interested in the OTO way of interpreting MH> Thelema. KB> Would you care to elaborate on that? Sure. I really am not interested anymore in ANY group's interpretation of Thelema. Not the OTO's, not the Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn's, not the T.O.T's, not anyone's. The only interpretation of Thelema I'm interested in is my own. I am not going to start my own group, I'm not going to preach my own interpretation to others. It is my Will to work solitary, and avoid the group politics that tend to crop up in even the best and nicest magickal orders. No more groups...please. I'm happier by myself. 93, --.\\<-H-- ... OFFLINE 1.35 * There is joy in the setting-out... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Corky McGraw Area: Thelema To: To Meta Therion 24 Oct 94 21:42:18 Subject: Re: a place to start UpdReq -=> Hey! Look! To and Corky are talking. Let's listen in.. TMT> Read Magick in Theory and Practice by Crowley. Actually, wait on TMT> that. Find a book called the Magick of Thelema by Lon Milo Duquette, TMT> and published by Samuel Weiser. It goes over the basic ideas concepts TMT> and rituals in Thelema and is a very good starting point. TMT> You will probably have to order it from a bookstore like Borders, TMT> Barnes and Noble or Little Professor etc. In other words, Waldenbooks TMT> probably can't get it. But it will clear a bit of the confusion. Thanks for the info. There are probably a few metaphysical stores in the area that might have it or be able to get it. Otherwise, when I go to Denver this weekend, I will hope to find it then. There are several places that should have it! Thanks again.. Corky ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Corky McGraw Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 24 Oct 94 21:46:20 Subject: Re: a place to start UpdReq -=> Hey! Look! Michelle and Corky are talking. Let's listen in.. MH> On 10-19-94 Corky McGraw wrote to All... MH> For one thing, most of Crowley's works are in electronic form on most MH> PODS BBSes. Get a good look at The Book of the Law, for one thing. I have found Crowley to be confusing. I have tried reading MAGICK IN THEROY AND PRACTICE a few times, but never understood. maybe if I knew something about it first... OK! I WILL ASK! What is thelema, exactly??? MH> And I would suggest strongly picking up "Magick Without Tears", which MH> is printed by New Falcon Publications. It's a great introduction to MH> Crowley's philosophy of Thelema and to applied magick. And it was MH> written as correspondence between Crowley and a beginning-level MH> student. I will try that book. Let's see how long it will take me to find it. Next time I go into a city will look for it. Thanks Corky ... My other computer is a TRS-80 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Therion Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 25 Oct 94 16:39:34 Subject: a place to start UpdReq MH> BTW why do you call yourself To Meta Therion? Do you believe you have MH> transcended the work of To Mega Therion? (Meta = Beyond, Greek.) I certainly hope that I can in the future. It is my belief that each of us should aid in the spread and influence of Crowley's material. Eventually, it would be wonderful if it could worm its way into science, and become part of the accepted beliefs of the masses. I am not yet Ipissimus, but I devote my life to the attainment of such a lofty goal. I may not succeed, but the joy will be in the getting there, not in the attainment itself. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Silveroak Area: Thelema To: To Meta Thereon 23 Oct 94 22:58:00 Subject: Re: Thelema & Its Studie UpdReq -=> Quoting To Meta Thereon to Denis Levesque <=- TMT> The Thelemic Temple and Order of the Golden Dawn TMT> 1626 No. Wilcox Ave. #418 TMT> L.A., CA USA 90028 TMT> Better be rich if you want to take the course. TMT> $66 annual dues TMT> $66 Neophyte self initiation material TMT> $93 Annually for Quarterly lessons Hmm ok thanks, did not think it would be that much. do they give you a REAL book or is it photocopies of a book in a binder? Still 225$ is a bit much. Seeing as me and the fiance have a little one comming in december I will have to keep it on the back burner for now. But thanks alot for the address S> As someone new to this what should I be studying first? TMT> Everything. Everyday, I find a new book that I need to TMT> read to understand Thelema or Magick. Everything is right! :> TMT> If you want to understand Thelema, pick up Crowley's _The Law is for TMT> All_. If you want to jump into the rituals, pick up Lon Milo TMT> Duquette's _The Magick of Thelema_. I like Crowley's writing. For some reason I "like" him. even though I have read and heard things about him, something in me says "Stick with him". The only one I have by him is "Magick In Theory and Practice and the Isreal Regeardy (?) book the complete teachings etc.. of the Golden Dawn. TMT> Oh, Yeah, Try A.C.'s _Magick w/o Tears_. It simplifies TMT> quite a bit of his abstractions. It's published by New TMT> Falcon also. The address should be somewhere on this TMT> message area, but I can't remember how long ago it was TMT> posted. Ok, next time I have cash I will see about getting it. Me its also finding time to read the stuff :> Denis ... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Therion Area: Thelema To: Andrew Haigh 26 Oct 94 15:24:20 Subject: Covens UpdReq Touche? TMT> May Choronzon be gentle on your soul. AH> To late for that one. Choronozon and I have met in the Abyss, it AH> was a valiant battle. I died. Now we have an understanding, I AH> leap into the Abyss, I die. It has happenend several times in AH> the past, it shall happen several times in the future. How many AH> times have you died TMT? I do not know if this is true, but if you say so, it is your reality that you design. In my experience I have never run across a person that has jumped into the abyss and come out on top. I must say that you should be careful of what you proclaim. If it is true that you were once like me then how did you succeed in your work. It seems that this information would be most valuable to me. I do ask that you deliver this to me out of respect for another on the quest, but again that is your choice. AH> was once on such as you and it took some pretty powerful lessons AH> to make me realize that hubris and ego-expansion was not the AH> best way to progress. To much ego and all you find in the world AH> is yourself. This gets tedious and *quite* boring after awhile I think that i may be experiencing these lessons even as we speak. My mind searches and struggles and so far I have grown, learned, and come out on top. I thank you for your message. At least it was an intelligent renouncement of what I said. Good arguements are always welcome, but since my time is limited on this BBS, I have to cut my side short. Love always and a new respect. peace. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: To Meta Therion 25 Oct 94 22:09:00 Subject: CHAOS MAGICK? UpdReq TM> Grendal, How is the book? It looks pretty sound. I haven't had any time to read it yet so I've just skimmed over it. TM> Did you have to order it through a company or can you get it TM> through local book stores? I got it at a local store (the one I used to work for) but they had to search for it and special order it. It is printed in England. I think Weiser distributes it. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718