From: Kevin Bold Area: Thelema To: Fir 7 Sep 94 09:59:14 Subject: Secret Rites of the O.T.O. UpdReq 93! KB> Perhaps, like myself, he's tired of having only a photocopy and KB> would like the "real thing" F> Considering Serpents Occult is asking $300 for one in their current F> catalogue, my xerox copy is good enough for me . "Do all things in business way," heh, heh, heh... 93--93/93... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Grendel Grettisson 7 Sep 94 15:28:00 Subject: Book of coming forth UpdReq Thus said Grendel Grettisson to Josh Norton concerning Book of coming forth: JN> What I am interested in asking: Does anyone have the FAINTEST JN> idea how the "numbers & words" of Liber AL 2.76 were decoded into a JN> declaration that Michael Aquino is the Magus of a new aeon of Set? GG> No but you could go over to the Base of Set and ask him. Haw! ... Please give to the Ed McMahon Home for Unemployed Sycophants! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Joseph Max 9 Sep 94 10:48:02 Subject: Book of coming forth UpdReq Thus said Joseph Max to Josh Norton concerning Book of coming forth: Hi Joseph! JN> What I am interested in asking: Does anyone have the FAINTEST idea how JN> the "numbers & words" of Liber AL 2.76 were decoded into a declaration JN> that Michael Aquino is the Magus of a new aeon of Set? JN> Suggestions anyone? JM> Well, all it takes is a mystical epiphiny (or a large ego...) Heh heh. JM> It would appear Dr. Aquino (or Set, depending on who's story you JM> accept), first took any numbers appearing and directly converted them JM> to letters of the English alphabet; ie. "4 3 6 8" becomes "D F C H". JM> The letters appearing in the passage remained English letters. So the JM> passage becomes a list of "initials", to whit: JM> "D F C H A B K B D A L G M O R C Y X F H R P S T O V A L" JM> The numbers "24" and "89" in the passage must, of course, be rendered JM> into their digital numerological form, eg. 24 = 6 and 89 = 17 = 8 JM> (fortunately for Set, there was no need for any letter beyond #9) Arrgh. Rather obvious, now that you've explained it. So the reduction of the 24 and 89 accounts for the extra characters, making it a 1-letter-to-1-word correspondence. Though why not "B D" and "H I" instead? JM> For those who missed it, the text of the "decoded" version (as per Dr. JM> Aquino) reads: JM> "Destined First Century Heir - Aquino - Breaking Keys By Doctrines JM> Anton LaVey - Great Magus Of Reconstruction Coming Year Xeper - JM> Founding His Rightful Priesthood - Set - True Origin Volume AL." JM> Though I have read no account of Dr. Aquino's concerning the JM> circumstances of the "transmission", I imagine that he had already done JM> (as many who have studied the Book of the Law) the numerological JM> conversion to initials, and the list of letters merely awaited the JM> message of Set to fill in the words. JM> Personally speaking, and meaning no slur to Dr. Aquino or to The JM> Temple Of Set (both of which I hold in very high regard), the whole JM> thing sounds like someone is "grasping" for a translation here. I agree. Or manufacturing it to fit his needs. As well, the rest of Liber AL shows a rather extensive skill at using gematria as a means of confirming meaning. Nothing of the sort is seen here. Since, according to the same document, Set is "free of the boundaries of time", it's not like he would have been rushed designing "his" message. Why such a sudden descent into cabalistic incompetence? Without such a confirmation, seems to me that we would be as justified in "discovering" a "translation" of directly opposite import. E.g., something along the lines of: "Damned fool creates hairbrained analysis. Bad karma brings down Aquino; later generations mock..." etc. Aside from this, it seems to me that the differing tones of Liber AL versus TBOCFBN argues against any true connection between them. AL is primarily a magickal and philosophical document, revealing in great detail the principles and powers at the root of the "aeon" it was announcing. And it provides hidden confirmations of nearly all its essential points. TBOCFBN, on the other hand, is primarily political. And narrowly political at that; much of it is directed solely at undermining the authority of LaVey and setting up Aquino as a new, improved replacement. Or, like the AL "decoding", designed to give Aquino an older (and therefor "stronger") lineage than LaVey. Except for "Xeper" -- which is far from a new idea -- there isn't a great deal of _positive_ philosophical import in the document; just rejections of various other religious and philosophical perspectives. What use is a magickal current that is almost entirely defined by what it is not? Not much, IMO. ... Self-referential tagline. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Sis Area: Thelema To: Grendel Grettisson 8 Sep 94 03:29:00 Subject: Re: GD UpdReq 93 Grendel... > Isn't it common knowledge? I've met the fellow here and there and > discussed the matter with him when Hakim Bey was in town and we were > at a party to meet him. I have the fellow's number in my wallet in > fact. I don't think that qualifies as common knowledge... just cause you have some guys number in yer wallet. I had never even heard of the newsletter period, much less that is was changing hands. Really don't care alot anyway, but it isn't 'common knowledge'. If I'm anything it's common. 93 93/93 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Tony Iannotti 8 Sep 94 07:04:50 Subject: Re: MEZLA COMMENTARY UpdReq Hi Tony, > I would like it. I would like it even more in electronic form, so > if you can send it, I will type it in. Thanks! My pleasure. It went out in the mail yesterday to the PO Box. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Sis 8 Sep 94 07:12:02 Subject: COMMON UpdReq 93 Sis, > care alot anyway, but it isn't 'common knowledge'. If I'm anything > it's common No you're not. You're special! Here's a public reminder that I'd like a copy of the Enochian Coloring Book . However I can get it when I come visit you. Love is the law, love under will, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Joseph Max 8 Sep 94 22:17:08 Subject: The Meaning Of Thelema UpdReq -=> Joseph Max sent a message to ALL on 03 Sep 94 14:31:00 <=- -=> Re: The Meaning Of Thelema <=- Love is the law, love under will. ROFLMAO!!! Ahhh... [wipes tears from eyes] Thanks for the best laugh since The Book of the inLAws! How 'bout posting that to alt.magick? Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... Who art thou that dost float and fly and dive and soar in the inane? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 9 Sep 94 10:48:26 Subject: Re: Book of coming forth UpdReq "Does anyone have the FAINTEST idea how the "numbers & words" of Liber AL 2.76 were decoded into a declaration that Michael Aquino is the Magus of a new aeon of Set?" Notariqon, no? When Aquino wrote -- I'm sorry, received -- the book, he just took each of the letters as the start of a word. Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: JOSEPH MAX 9 Sep 94 10:59:56 Subject: Re: BOOK OF COMING FORTH UpdReq There is not a single whiff of poetry in the book. It is a straightforward political declaration with a little metaphysics grafted on, as if it were an afterthought. I do not believe it was received through any mystical process whatsoever. If it was, then I will have to broaden my understanding of mystical states to include those of a dull, plodding nature indistinguishable from ordinary consciousness. As for Khephra, the symbolism of the ball of dung is that it contains the eggs of the beetle, and thus the seeds of hidden transformation. It is more properly a symbol of resurrection than of transformation, though the symbols are cognate. Khephra was idiosyncratically associated by Crowley with the midnight sun (which we might consider the ball before it gives birth to new beetles) but the ancient Egyptians associated him with the rising sun (the bursting forth of life from darkness). Tim Maroney 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718