From: Hypatia Area: Thelema To: All 13 Aug 94 11:14:00 Subject: Ritual dance UpdReq Hey folks, in a couple of weeks it will be Mabon, and a group of us are getting together to do a circle for it here in CT. I have recently been determined to be the Priestess of Dance for this one. I'll be doing some sort of a dance to raise power (I have over seven years experience as a belly dancer). Anyone have any ideas as to how best to handle this? I have never done a ritual dance before and would like a few pointers on it. Haven't decided on my music yet, but it may well be Loreena McKennitt or Desert Wind... Anyway, thanks for your input. Hypatia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ar Aakhu-t Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 12 Aug 94 01:50:00 Subject: Journals and books and lint and... UpdReq 93- CP> point I CP> AA> decided to learn bookbinding, and now it's kinda hard to CP> buy a CP> AA> journal... CP> CP> Cool... Is there a living in it? bookbinding? well, i suppose, but i know an amazing master of the craft here in seattle. his work makes mine... strictly amateur (like too many things i do!) though let me insert a plug here- if anyone out there needs the service of a bookbinder or repair, Joel Radcliffe's Ars Obscura is strictly top-quality work at affordable prices (say, 20$ for a cloth rebind of your paperback) and a deep sensitivity for the magical aspect of books and for the magical literature. he is currently producing a gorgeous edition for the estate of David Driscoll- from unbound signatures of an unfinished Heptangle letterpress edition of the grimoirum verum, in snakeskin & papyrus. once through a bizarre accident my leatherbound liber al got dropped into water- i rushed it to joel and got true emergency room service-now it is good as newW! as to making a living otherwise, yes, actually i am working on projects that provide good meterials for the work- later, 93/93 ,-----. . . / H \ -Ar Aakhu-t | H | bb125@scn.org | H | \ ===^=== / `._____,' 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Gnb Area: Thelema To: KEVIN BOLD 14 Aug 94 02:18:00 Subject: Sepher Yetzirah UpdReq So Kevin Bold@93:9182/0.0 said: Greetings KB> and credits it to Joannes Stephanus Rittangelius, stating it was KB> originally in Hebrew and published (written?) in 1642. That's the one Westcott used as the basis for his English translation. The '32 paths' is older than the 17th century, though. KB> _Sepher Yetzirah_ does, however, mention the letters as well as the KB> sephiroth, beginning with Chapter 3. Nice understatement (g). You might want to look at R. Aryeh Kaplan's translations (several in one volume) - probably the best and most complete translation and commentary in English. Regards, Greg Burton +------------------------+------------------------------------------+ |GNB@ELF MajorNet | All opinions were mine when I wrote them | |GNB@TGD | | |GNB@93:9000/8 PODS | "Everything that rises must converge..." | |gburt@dump.com InterNet | -Flannery O'Conner | |gburt@aol.com | | +------------------------+------------------------------------------+ ... Volume in Drive C: TOO_LOUD! August 13 at 08:49:57 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rogue Area: Thelema To: All 13 Aug 94 21:18:38 Subject: Seduction UpdReq LB> Standing in the shadows beyond the hedge, a small figure went unnoticed LB> as she lurked in silence, ears tuned to the voices just on the other LB> side, heart beating in a rush all the while. The voices spoke briefly, LB> and then the two parties turned to leave, unaware that they had been LB> observed at all. LB> And so the small shadowy figure crept to the keyboard from the darkness LB> of the night and spoke to the one who had filled her eyes with wonder LB> and her heart with a flush just moments before, saying: LB> "Welcome, I am Little Bit.I liked your introduction to the LB> Seductress, the magic of your words, the awe-inspiring power of your LB> very presence radiating through the shadows. Come to me in the shadows LB> which we both seem to share with such forces as these, that I may come LB> to know you in your own element, m'lord ..." LB> And, in silence once again, she waited for his response...... "And welcome to you, dear lass." Rogue says taking Little Bit's hand and bowing from the waist kisses the back of her fingers gently. "Your own introduction to me is not without it's own magic. "Power? I have no power, save that which words can give me. Of course, you are not without power yourself. Were you not able to summon me to this place? "I am here with you now, and I will come to you whenever you call. In the shadows, I hide little. You may know as much of me or as little as you wish. I should like to come to know you as well. Please, tell me about yourself," Rogue asks as he caresses her cheek. "M'lord!?!" and Rogue laughs for a moment. "Don't be offended, but please, do not mistake me for something so 'noble'. I am what my name implies a rogue. My name was chosen to describe me, as well as hide me." Rogue waits quietly to see how Little Bit reacts to what he's said... Rogue an Equal Opportunity Thief of Hearts --- RM 1.2 Eval Day 2 ... Words and ideas are what change our world. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Nesert Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 13 Aug 94 07:09:00 Subject: Archives & History UpdReq KB> As far as I can tell, Budge was at least a nominal Christian. KB> If he had been in the GD, it would probably have been common KB> knowledge by now. Additionally, there were lots of people who He was in the golden dawn. I don't remember the name of the temple, but it met in the British Museum. He mentions it, in passing, in one or other of his books. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Pict Area: Thelema To: Julia Phillips 13 Aug 94 15:00:00 Subject: Pict in Oz UpdReq JP> Excellent! Just you, or is Raven coming over as well? I'll book JP> some holiday from work... I think we'll need it :) Just me this time - have to save pennies for Britain next year JP> You're most welcome to stay here, as well. Thank you - I'd like to do that for a couple of days. Will send itinerary - have to make one so that I spend enuf time with the relis - will bring dead interesting Hellenic text with me, for you. JP> Would they be Qantas planals or United planals? United - arrive 6:55 on Thursday 6th - out of San Francisco. Planals Not THOSE kind of planals - though they are "spirits of air and darkness" in a manner of speaking Need to see my grandmother / parentals / sister etc Look forward to your phonecall and to catching up on news in person. The last comic will be out on my return here - will gather stuff from there in person so I have it for the last issue. Love & hugs from me - and Raven too. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 13 Aug 94 20:58:00 Subject: Archives & History UpdReq > As far as I can tell, Budge was at least a nominal Christian. If he had > been in the GD, it would probably have been common knowledge by now. It is in the circles I move in. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson Internet:mimir@io.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: Julia Phillips 13 Aug 94 20:59:00 Subject: Leos?!? UpdReq > JB> there is one leo here that i'm not tired of. > You do realise that with the Leo ego, we will *all* assume that we are > the favoured lion? I know who it is and it isn't me. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson Internet:mimir@io.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin Bold Area: Thelema To: Navitae 14 Aug 94 04:27:48 Subject: Re: More books... UpdReq 93! Your information is very interesting. If you were to share your documentation with me, I'd be happy to reimburse you for postage & copying costs. 93--93/93... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin Bold Area: Thelema To: Grendel Grettisson 14 Aug 94 04:29:34 Subject: Archives & History UpdReq 93! > As far as I can tell, Budge was at least a > nominal Christian. If he had > been in the GD, it would probably have been > common knowledge by now. GG> It is in the circles I move in. Well, first of all, I've read a lot of Budge, and a lot of Golden Dawn stuff, but never anything about Budge being in the GD. And second -- uh, no I'd better not... 93--93/93... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Navitae 14 Aug 94 14:19:08 Subject: Re: More books... UpdReq -=> Quoting Navitae to Tony Iannotti <=- TI> assumed were working together? Na> Na> No way. Thanks for the details, I don't have any more for you, but will forward it if I come across any. TI> I don't know about that. I don't always share consensual reality TI> with U.S. Courts. I happen to agree with it in this case, TI> however...... ;-) Na> Na> Strange how the shoe keeps moving to the other foot. Na> I don't share the court's view at all (they are not in a position Na> to be able to judge Thelemic matters), but I look at it from the Na> viewpoint that the Caliphate OTO has thrived (while to other OTO Na> groups are pretty decimated) and have therefore proven Na> themsevles. How can you not share the court's view, when you do agree that the success of the Caliphate OTO proves it? I was not saying that they had any purview in it, just that they seem to be right...... ~~~ PGPBLUE 2.0 ... My karma accelerates for dogmas... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Navitae 14 Aug 94 14:25:22 Subject: Re: More books... UpdReq -=> Quoting Navitae to Tony Iannotti <=- Na> 1. Germer offered a Charter for a Lodge to Motta (first three Na> degrees). Only a member of the OTO can run an OTO Lodge. No evidence that he took it. I have heard, but cannot document, that Motta chose the AA over the OTO, because the AA was free. Na> 2. Germer stated that he'd given Motta most of the rituals and Na> asked what he was missing. He wanted Motta to have complete Thelemic archives, not neccessarily to use them. Na> 3. Germer and Motta exchanged correspondence about the 9th, Na> indicating that Motta must have had it already. Only indicates that he could talk about it. I'd be happy to talk about it with you, but it doesn't prove that either of us has it. Na> 4. Sasha Germer stated that Karl Germer was grooming Motta to Na> take over the OTO in about ten years (this was just before he Na> died). Could a non-OTO member have run the order? Sasha's perceptions have been shown to be pretty bizarre in other areas, I don't think her word is good enough for me. She wrote to Motta that he was to be the Follower. Which lineage contains that postion? (It was capitalised) Are you referring here to a post-dead-Germer letter, or a letter from before. (They tried to patch up their differences via corespondence, at Germer's behest, at least to Motta.) Na> My analogy is that the OTO functions as the vehicle for Thelema Na> to expand in the world, while the A.'.A.'. is the spirtual heart. I can go for that...... ~~~ PGPBLUE 2.0 ... Thinking is a momentary dismissal of irrelevancies. * Fuller 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Navitae Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 8 Aug 94 09:25:34 Subject: Re: More books... UpdReq KB> 93! CP> I understand that there's said to be no conflict between the various CP> A.'.A.'. bodies with proper lineage. KB> Due to the secrecy of the AA, they probably don't know of each other KB> ;) Well... N> I wish this were true, but it's not. There is a great deal of N> contention though it seems to be less public than with the N> various OTO lineages. Hmm, I'll qualify that to say that the N> hostility is primarily from the Motta lineages. KB> Yes, and that was sad. I used to have Motta's version of _Book 4_. KB> One minute he'd be explaining beautifully an obscure (at least for me) KB> passage, and then suddenly he'd start ripping on Kenneth Grant or KB> Israel Regardie. I reached the point where I didn't care if he had KB> the best claim -- I wanted him to lose just for being a jerk! KB> Later, fortunately, I moved to California and found Baphomet Lodge, KB> and found that it was indeed the Caliphate (appropriate name, as they KB> are very active in Caliphornia) that had the best claim. We still haven't seen Metzger's case (well, I haven't anyway). 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718