From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: Albert Saperstein 7 Sep 93 09:34:38 Subject: Cairo 1904 Rec'd UpdReq Albert - 93. I think we can take it as read that AC embellished the events chronicled in (say) Equinox Of The Gods, or the relevant chapter of Confessions. If, at the time, he thought this was Rose getting wierd, and after the fact, realized that everything was fraught with meaning, then the retelling of even the most trivial incidents would, in its time, become fraught with meaning. And if it wasn't fraught then, AC's writeup would damn sure make sure it was sure fraught when we read about it. I must admit to being of the school which holds that Rose was doing the dictating, channeling Aiwass. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Joey 7 Sep 93 00:10:02 Subject: Understanding Book Iii UpdReq J> Not too hard to believe that he understood Book III MUCH J> better after WW II. Since he celebrated his Greater Feast the same J> year the war ended, his understanding of Book III was probably J> enhanced by THAT particular Initiation.... Err, if my meager and blurry knowledge of history isn't mistaken, didn't WW2 end two years or so before Aleister's Most Magnificent Commencement of Pushing Up Daisies? ___ X MMST 2.09 UnRegistered * 31: it's not just a good idea, it's the LA! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Albert Saperstein 7 Sep 93 14:25:04 Subject: Cairo 1904 Rec'd UpdReq AS> All kidding about Howard Stern aside, does anybody besides AS> me have a REALLY HARD TIME swallowing Crowley's account of AS> how he "obtained" Liber AL? I'd LOVE to kick this one AS> around for awhile... While I am not convinced of the authenticity of AL as the ONE TRUE REVELATION OF THE AEON, I don't have much of a problem with AC's account of how the book was "received". I have had some experiences with really, really weird, unsettling synchronicities, and also have had some experience with "inspired" writing - I don't think either of this phenomenon proves the existence of praeternatural beings directing the course of world events, but they CAN both be very significant, at least to the person directly involved. My view of "Holy Books" in general is quite similar to that of the early Gnostics. They viewed the Old Testament and Gospels as very much inspired writing, but seeing as how God is accessible to everyone, these works carry no more weight than a piece of inspired writing produced by you, or I, or anyone else who is "in touch". My study of Crowley has given me the definite impression that he was sincerely very much "in touch", and as such, I think there is insight to be gained from his writings. However, I don't tend to attribute the same importance to AL as Crowley did. ___ X MMST 2.09 UnRegistered * Pretend to spank me - I'm a pseudo-masochist! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 7 Sep 93 02:43:28 Subject: Camp Master Duties UpdReq 93 frater almost, hey, long time no speak! how are you? FA> Hmmmm... I wrote to the EC and got mine. ;) But I'm FA> sure that the GSG would send him an app. He's such a FA> nice man. }B-> Pax. 93 hmmm...not too sure what you're referring to here, but based on the "Subject" line , it looks like you're responding to an old post about how one gets a camp. anyway, good to see you around! 93, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Kayla Block 5 Sep 93 06:35:30 Subject: Re: THELEMIC LIT 101 UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Kayla, > yes, i think i follow you here. i'arggghhh, i seem to be in line > noise hell again. seems to be happening more and more often. i > hate typin online when i can't even tell what i'm typing, or if it > will come out looking like english! > > i think i am going to try to get back to this post. It looks a lot like English to me! You seem to have had a lot of trouble with line noise lately--speaking of magick in the computer age, maybe you should banish the line noise demons before you start? "Apo pantos kakalemonos" seems to work well enough for the locals. (Yes, Lemonos...it's a long story and only funny if you were actually there.) ;> Catch ya later! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Richard Kaczynski 5 Sep 93 06:41:36 Subject: Re: CROWLEYBIO UpdReq > After the bio's done, for a change, I think I'll write a repetitive > series of works like "Advanced Guide to Thelemic Magic" and "The > Thelemic Workbook." Ha! Then I won't have to go to my favorite Used&Rare anymore...I'll be able to locate The Complete Richard Kaczynski Series, from Atlanta to Zuni Crystal Chakra Balancing at my local newer-than-new-age bookstore? Kool. ;> Of course, if you're Dr. Richard by that time, you may be under-qualified. You'll have to start calling yourself Bhagawan Sri Richard Ra Tha Ma, Ph.D, of the University of the Gods, beneath Orion's Sword or something like that. Course, you'll become so successful that you won't have time to start Series II, Aardvarkian Spirit Guides through Zen, because you'll be too busy teaching classes at the Learning Annex...but we all have to compromise for the sake of our Art, no? ;> 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 5 Sep 93 06:51:28 Subject: Re: THELEMA IN PRACTICE UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CP, > ROFL... close enough -- it was Grady, and they were on a London > double-decker bus. Grady...Crowley...busses...ocean liners...aw hell, Resh is still Resh! ;> I'd ask if there were two versions of the story floating around, but you're older and wiser, more widely read than I, so I'm sure you've got the correct version. Still, an exercise in the spreading of urban legends can be most instructive! ;> (In other words, Rose sez Oops--duuuuh!) Maybe some day I'll ask you about some of the more outlandish stories I've heard and see if they have their basis in different players and modes of transpo. ;> Love is the law, love under will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Thly Lbn Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 6 Sep 93 01:02:00 Subject: Re: KIDS/RELIGION Rec'd UpdReq Rose Dawn wrote We haven't gotten that far in the Bible Minister-1 gave her yet. :> We're on the Old Testament and I don't know if Minister-1 actually IS fairly intelligent, or if it was a pure accident, but the Bible she has, has foot with different possible translations of words in various languages and dia of the time, numerical values, etc., and I think it's absolutely fascinati Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Alright you got my curiosity up. Which Bible is it? Love is the law, love under will. Shalom be-Or we-Choshek, / / Frater Theli Lavan 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Thly Lbn Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 6 Sep 93 01:02:00 Subject: Re: THELEMA IN PRACTICE Rec'd UpdReq Rose Dawn wrote Ditto. ;> I was also under the impression that the greetings were used between Thelemites or close associates, rather than everyone one happens t meet. Detailed discussions with friends, and casual mention to more casual acquaintences seems sufficient to me at this point. Also, a horrible menta image of a "Thelemic Street Preacher" at Horton Plaza downtown San Diego, reading from _AL_ and hollering obscenities and threats at women wearing high-collared, knee-length dresses has formed...eeeeeeeek! ;> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. LOL!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! WHEN DO WE START!!!! Love is the law, love under will. Shalom be-Or we-Choshek, / / Frater Theli Lavan 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Thly Lbn 6 Sep 93 10:12:22 Subject: Re: KIDS/RELIGION UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > Alright you got my curiosity up. Which Bible is it? Something called the "Zondervan NIV edition." I'm not sure where *he* got it; it has people's names scribbled in the front so it's obviously used. I've left off on my Bible Studies a bit lately, but what I saw really piqued my interest. Love is the law, love under will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Thly Lbn 6 Sep 93 10:17:18 Subject: Re: THELEMA IN PRACTICE UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > image of a "Thelemic Street Preacher" at Horton Plaza downtown San > Diego, > reading from _AL_ and hollering obscenities and threats at women > wearing > high-collared, knee-length dresses has formed...eeeeeeeek! ;> > LOL!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!! WHEN DO WE START!!!! Heh...when are you going to be in town? We could hop the trolley and compete with the JW's all the way downtown, then stand in front of the fountain damning chaste women and solemnly informing businessmen "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt" until Johnny Law chases us away. Since the Horton street preachers usually do their best to imitate unwashed Old Testament prophets, though, in the interests of tradition I guess you'd have to shave your head and wear your robe and I'd have to throw on my seamed stockings and borrow a violin...but hey, it's doable, dude, it's doable. ;> 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 6 Sep 93 10:48:14 Subject: Re: THELEMA IN PRACTICE UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Steven, > I think this is one of the very reasons Crowley recommends doing all > of this stuff in public - so you don't feel so self-concious about it. I'm sure that's part of it. Breakin' down that self-with-a-small-s. I'm still not sure about the greetings though--do most people recommend that all & sundry be greeted with Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, or is it (as I'd thought) more a greeting between Thelemites thing? I don't think saying Will in a restaurant, for instance, is all that weird--I see people in coffee shops bowing their heads and praying before they eat, sometimes even joining hands and each saying something. And as I said, I occasionally go into the rose garden near the pool by the manager's apartment for Suryanamaskar, so I think he's pretty much used to me being eccentric by now. The practices I keep very private aren't out of fear of embarrassment so much as a sense that they *should* be private, or are more meaningful when kept private. > I am also reminded of a comment I read in a book on Sufism, about > how the Sufis traditionally adopted the mode of dress of the culture > they lived in, and found there was no reason why this should interfere > with their spiritual path. They saw no need to wear big blue Sufi hats, > and I think that to a large extent, I'm coming from the same > direction. That's interesting. "Then shall pass thy terrors of disgrace: Then shall Custom lose her hold on thee." I think I'm coming from the same direction too! > That's wonderful; I can only hope that if and when I have > children,I can share something that special with them. In what other ways > have you exposed your daughter to Thelema, if you don't mind my asking? Mostly just discussing things with her, "What does this mean? What does that mean?" She's met several Thelemites and been in a Temple where she participated along with everyone else in a small, simple ritual after the Ruby and read aloud from Chapter I. She behaved very well--a certain adult who will not be named began smothering laughter when the neighborhood dogs started howling and barking but my kid managed to keep her composure! ;> She has a few of her own favorite interpretations, such as: The word of the Law is...funny letters! And: A squished bug is not the Star. Being a typical parent I find stuff like that amusing. ;> > In any event, as I mentioned in my earlier post, when I do "Will", > it is more of a personal matter, rather than a fraternal thing. I > think of it as both a dedication to the Great Work, and as a rite of > transsubstantiation. As such, I don't need to wait for a formal > meal to do it (don't get many of those 'round these parts either...) > Even if it's something as simple as a danish & glass of oj with the > morningpaper, I still take a moment to close my eyes and do the invocation. I should probably do that as well, though even the OJ & Danish aren't usually on the menu. Somehow "It is my will to drink very strong coffee and smoke a lot of cigarettes" with my morning bbs-cruise doesn't seem quite appropriate, LOL! > I find that little things like this can sometimes be very special & > uplifting. Personally, it's *often* the little things that, on the surface don't seem very 'important' that end up being the most special and uplifting to me--possibly because the "expectation level" isn't there, it's usually more spontaneous or 'experimental,' and the feelings generated can be surprisingly intense for something I'd been thinking of as a "little thing." Have you found that the practices benefit you mainly as an exercise in self-discipline, or do you notice results on different levels? (Just being nosy here) Love is the law, love under will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718