From: Farrell McGovern Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 11 Apr 92 11:35:24 Subject: Templars Rec'd Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Frater Almost @1:123/15 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: FA> Very interesting. I think I'll have to visit aforesaid Masonic FA> Temple! My big thing, in Masonry, is the study of the officers and FA> their more abstract relationships to the Lodge Furniture. Pax. 93 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I hear they support a lot of Chair-ities....:-) ttyl Farrell (An incorigable punster, do not incourage!) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Jonathon 10 Apr 92 23:17:12 Subject: Sigil Program Sent UpdReq Hmm, a sigil-making program might be an interesting idea, but it is nothing I've seen done. The closest I've come to such a thing was using a paint program to draw a pentacle I came across (I think it may have been from the Greater Key of Solomon, but I'm not certain). The last two times I have sigilized, though, using the basic AO-Spare technique, I didn't draw up my sigil until after starting the ritual, right before charging it, so as to create an element of spontenaiety. In a sense, I prefer this approach to the classic hermetic mindset of spending hours picking through a catalog of symbols. Of course, I'm not adverse to spening hours planning for a ritual, but when I sigilize, I like a really freeform, energetic approach, rather than the intricate machinations of GD-style ritual. On a similar tangent, what interesting uses have others come up with for combining computers and magick? Aside from using mine as a database, I also use it to throw I Ching, figure out Gematria, etc. I've also drawn up .GIFs of the Enochian tablets, in full colour (which I don't think I've uploaded anywhere; let me know if anyone wants them...) I also have a nifty program to turn my computer into a dream machine, which is a whole lot easier than actually building one. I've had some interesting experiences with same, espescially when I use it to induce a low-end alpha or high-end theta state. One of my current ambitions is to have sex with the thing running; I've tried it by myself, and been very pleased, but haven't had the oppurtunity to do thusly with a partner. 93 93/93, Steve Io 46! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Thelema To: Farrell McGovern 11 Apr 92 11:09:00 Subject: Re: self realities Sent UpdReq -=> Farrell McGovern sent a message to Vitriol on 04-06-92 02:22 <=- -=> Re: self realities <=- FM> Like I said...or maybe it got munged somewhere...I am looking FM> for copies of the Schrodenger's Cat Trilogy (the indivigual books). I'll keep an eye out (gruesome thought). FM> Will trade one for one. I am also looking for a MIDI Guitar....:-) Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall stack and a 32-track studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an album, my neighbors are having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. Hmm... how 'bout Sex Pistols? Ah, here we go: Megadeth! ... De Injocosis, Stuprent! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kevin William Bold Area: Thelema To: William Hunter 11 Apr 92 10:29:12 Subject: Re: 93, YINZ (PGH-ESE FOR "YOU" Sent UpdReq Bob Larson is the author of _Satanism: The Seduction of America's Youth_, _Larson's New Book of Cults_, the hysterically bad novel _Dead Air_, and the host of "Talkback with Bob Larson", heard on Christian radio stations between 4 and 6PM Eastern time. I've gotten past his screener on several occasions, and without misrepresenting myself, and I've often bested him (the secret is don't let him get you off track or rile you, and ask a hard but fair question). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 12 Apr 92 11:46:38 Subject: Re: self realities Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Vitriol @1:109/134 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: -=> Farrell McGovern sent a message to Vitriol on 04-06-92 02:22 <=- -=> Re: self realities <=- FM> Like I said...or maybe it got munged somewhere...I am looking FM> for copies of the Schrodenger's Cat Trilogy (the indivigual books). V> I'll keep an eye out (gruesome thought). But can it be worse than "getting a head of the game"? FM> Will trade one for one. I am also looking for a MIDI Guitar....:-) V> Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall stack and a V> 32-track studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an album, my V> neighbors are having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. V> Hmm... how 'bout Sex Pistols? V> Ah, here we go: Megadeth! Or maybe Pink Floyd's ANIMALS? Nah...the subtilty would be lost on them...ya, Megadeath should do fine! But, if your area has some sort of noise by-law...that might be better! Do their rep real good to have the fuzz show up at their door! good luck, Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 13 Apr 92 12:08:30 Subject: Re: self realities UpdReq V> Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall V> stack and a 32-track V> studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an V> album, my neighbors are V> having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. Hmm... how 'bout V> Sex Pistols? V> Ah, here we go: Megadeth! If you have extras, I'll trade you something for them as well (actually, I don't _need_ the Marshall stack, but I'll take the MIDI guitar and 32-track studio off your hands...) :-) In any event, I'm glad to see others have similar tastes in music. While I listen to quite a wide spectrum, I find something like "Orion" or "Call of Cthulu" by Metallica puts me in the mood for magick a lot more effectively than chants of "here is the goddess - isn't she a nice person?" :-) I did a very nice invocation of Nuit last week while listening to Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls For The Heart of the Sun"... 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Darklord 13 Apr 92 12:13:10 Subject: will UpdReq D> Then if we all have our own relities, why do people perceive D> things the same way. Why is everyone on this plane D> of existence? 1) Maybe everyone _isn't_ on this plane of existence. Maybe only people on this plane of existance are on this plane of existance, but you just haven't bumped into the other. 2) I rather disagree that people perceive things the same way. While people may share a large amount of common ground regarding the phenomenon they perceive (I think most of us would agree that a lobster is red, and an aquatic life form, and an arthropod), there is a frightening amount of difference as well. I have never tasted lobster, wherein you might have an intense fetish for it, while Soror Hypothetical over there may have gotten sick as a child from eating the dish, and has been made ill from the very sight of the stuff. Our perceptions are coloured to a great extent from our background, and who we are. Unfortunately, the great majority of people do not draw a great distinction between perception-of-reality and "reality" (I use the quotes because I wonder if the universe isn't a moot point without something to experience and perceive it). In day-to-day mundane life, everyone pretty much agrees that the lobster is red, and it is cold outside, and such things, and an assumption is made that everyone experiences the same world. When a difference of opinion arises, one's instict is to assume that someone's thinking is wrong, while never stopping to consider that their outlook may be the product of a different perspective on life. A An aborigine from the equatorial regions would probably think an Eskimo a bloody fool for wearing a fur coat, but that is because he has never been to a region warranting such clothing, and snow & cold weather are outside of his sphere of perception. 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 12:24:08 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq Howdy! Just wanted to toss a big howdy your way, as I've not seen you around for a few weeks; I'm not certain if there have been feed problems, or if traffic on the echo has been unusually slow of late. But anyway, glad to see you, and a belated happy Nu year! 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 12:25:40 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq FA> Very interesting. I think I'll have to visit FA> aforesaid Masonic Temple! My big thing, in FA> Masonry, is the study of the officers and their FA> more abstract relationships to the Lodge Furniture. Yah, I wish I had a better understanding of Masonic symbology, so I could grok more of what was going on. While some of the stuff is meaningful from a Qabalastic standpoint, a lot of it is foreign to me, and its really frustrating looking at a beautiful, intricate banner or piece of jewelry, and not knowing what most of it means. At the GW temple, there were even some beautiful porcelain pitchers and bowls just covered with beautiful art. Let me know if you ever trek up to see the temple; I live about five minutes away from it. 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Coyote 130 Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 19:49:24 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq Actually, once a DeMolay, always so. Only, when onE becomes 21, one is a 'SENIOR' DeMolay. E am obviously not THAT young, else E could not be affiliated with TOPY. FA> had occassion to meet. What do you think the FA> DeMolay leaders would say if they found out that FA> you were in TOPY? ;) Just Curious! Pax et Lox. hmm. to tell thee truth, E don't know. Probably think E am a bit further into thee deep end then they do already. However, E am quite sure they would take it better then Mrs. Troester, a really sweet old lady who lives across thee street from mE. pax130 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Coyote 130 Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 13 Apr 92 23:47:54 Subject: will UpdReq SC> "reality" (I use the quotes because I wonder if the SC> universe isn't a moot point without something to SC> experience and perceive it). In day-to-day mundane life, everyone actually, quantum physics show that reality is exactly that-- pax130 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 11 Apr 92 11:35:24 Subject: Templars Rec'd Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Frater Almost @1:123/15 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: FA> Very interesting. I think I'll have to visit aforesaid Masonic FA> Temple! My big thing, in Masonry, is the study of the officers and FA> their more abstract relationships to the Lodge Furniture. Pax. 93 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I hear they support a lot of Chair-ities....:-) ttyl Farrell (An incorigable punster, do not incourage!) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Jonathon 10 Apr 92 23:17:12 Subject: Sigil Program Sent UpdReq Hmm, a sigil-making program might be an interesting idea, but it is nothing I've seen done. The closest I've come to such a thing was using a paint program to draw a pentacle I came across (I think it may have been from the Greater Key of Solomon, but I'm not certain). The last two times I have sigilized, though, using the basic AO-Spare technique, I didn't draw up my sigil until after starting the ritual, right before charging it, so as to create an element of spontenaiety. In a sense, I prefer this approach to the classic hermetic mindset of spending hours picking through a catalog of symbols. Of course, I'm not adverse to spening hours planning for a ritual, but when I sigilize, I like a really freeform, energetic approach, rather than the intricate machinations of GD-style ritual. On a similar tangent, what interesting uses have others come up with for combining computers and magick? Aside from using mine as a database, I also use it to throw I Ching, figure out Gematria, etc. I've also drawn up .GIFs of the Enochian tablets, in full colour (which I don't think I've uploaded anywhere; let me know if anyone wants them...) I also have a nifty program to turn my computer into a dream machine, which is a whole lot easier than actually building one. I've had some interesting experiences with same, espescially when I use it to induce a low-end alpha or high-end theta state. One of my current ambitions is to have sex with the thing running; I've tried it by myself, and been very pleased, but haven't had the oppurtunity to do thusly with a partner. 93 93/93, Steve Io 46! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Thelema To: Farrell McGovern 11 Apr 92 11:09:00 Subject: Re: self realities Sent UpdReq -=> Farrell McGovern sent a message to Vitriol on 04-06-92 02:22 <=- -=> Re: self realities <=- FM> Like I said...or maybe it got munged somewhere...I am looking FM> for copies of the Schrodenger's Cat Trilogy (the indivigual books). I'll keep an eye out (gruesome thought). FM> Will trade one for one. I am also looking for a MIDI Guitar....:-) Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall stack and a 32-track studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an album, my neighbors are having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. Hmm... how 'bout Sex Pistols? Ah, here we go: Megadeth! ... De Injocosis, Stuprent! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kevin William Bold Area: Thelema To: William Hunter 11 Apr 92 10:29:12 Subject: Re: 93, YINZ (PGH-ESE FOR "YOU" Sent UpdReq Bob Larson is the author of _Satanism: The Seduction of America's Youth_, _Larson's New Book of Cults_, the hysterically bad novel _Dead Air_, and the host of "Talkback with Bob Larson", heard on Christian radio stations between 4 and 6PM Eastern time. I've gotten past his screener on several occasions, and without misrepresenting myself, and I've often bested him (the secret is don't let him get you off track or rile you, and ask a hard but fair question). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 12 Apr 92 11:46:38 Subject: Re: self realities Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Vitriol @1:109/134 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: -=> Farrell McGovern sent a message to Vitriol on 04-06-92 02:22 <=- -=> Re: self realities <=- FM> Like I said...or maybe it got munged somewhere...I am looking FM> for copies of the Schrodenger's Cat Trilogy (the indivigual books). V> I'll keep an eye out (gruesome thought). But can it be worse than "getting a head of the game"? FM> Will trade one for one. I am also looking for a MIDI Guitar....:-) V> Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall stack and a V> 32-track studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an album, my V> neighbors are having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. V> Hmm... how 'bout Sex Pistols? V> Ah, here we go: Megadeth! Or maybe Pink Floyd's ANIMALS? Nah...the subtilty would be lost on them...ya, Megadeath should do fine! But, if your area has some sort of noise by-law...that might be better! Do their rep real good to have the fuzz show up at their door! good luck, Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 13 Apr 92 12:08:30 Subject: Re: self realities UpdReq V> Don't want much do you? Should I throw in a Marshall V> stack and a 32-track V> studio, too? ;-) 'Scuse me, I have to go put on an V> album, my neighbors are V> having some born-again singalong folkarama next door. Hmm... how 'bout V> Sex Pistols? V> Ah, here we go: Megadeth! If you have extras, I'll trade you something for them as well (actually, I don't _need_ the Marshall stack, but I'll take the MIDI guitar and 32-track studio off your hands...) :-) In any event, I'm glad to see others have similar tastes in music. While I listen to quite a wide spectrum, I find something like "Orion" or "Call of Cthulu" by Metallica puts me in the mood for magick a lot more effectively than chants of "here is the goddess - isn't she a nice person?" :-) I did a very nice invocation of Nuit last week while listening to Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls For The Heart of the Sun"... 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Darklord 13 Apr 92 12:13:10 Subject: will UpdReq D> Then if we all have our own relities, why do people perceive D> things the same way. Why is everyone on this plane D> of existence? 1) Maybe everyone _isn't_ on this plane of existence. Maybe only people on this plane of existance are on this plane of existance, but you just haven't bumped into the other. 2) I rather disagree that people perceive things the same way. While people may share a large amount of common ground regarding the phenomenon they perceive (I think most of us would agree that a lobster is red, and an aquatic life form, and an arthropod), there is a frightening amount of difference as well. I have never tasted lobster, wherein you might have an intense fetish for it, while Soror Hypothetical over there may have gotten sick as a child from eating the dish, and has been made ill from the very sight of the stuff. Our perceptions are coloured to a great extent from our background, and who we are. Unfortunately, the great majority of people do not draw a great distinction between perception-of-reality and "reality" (I use the quotes because I wonder if the universe isn't a moot point without something to experience and perceive it). In day-to-day mundane life, everyone pretty much agrees that the lobster is red, and it is cold outside, and such things, and an assumption is made that everyone experiences the same world. When a difference of opinion arises, one's instict is to assume that someone's thinking is wrong, while never stopping to consider that their outlook may be the product of a different perspective on life. A An aborigine from the equatorial regions would probably think an Eskimo a bloody fool for wearing a fur coat, but that is because he has never been to a region warranting such clothing, and snow & cold weather are outside of his sphere of perception. 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 12:24:08 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq Howdy! Just wanted to toss a big howdy your way, as I've not seen you around for a few weeks; I'm not certain if there have been feed problems, or if traffic on the echo has been unusually slow of late. But anyway, glad to see you, and a belated happy Nu year! 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 12:25:40 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq FA> Very interesting. I think I'll have to visit FA> aforesaid Masonic Temple! My big thing, in FA> Masonry, is the study of the officers and their FA> more abstract relationships to the Lodge Furniture. Yah, I wish I had a better understanding of Masonic symbology, so I could grok more of what was going on. While some of the stuff is meaningful from a Qabalastic standpoint, a lot of it is foreign to me, and its really frustrating looking at a beautiful, intricate banner or piece of jewelry, and not knowing what most of it means. At the GW temple, there were even some beautiful porcelain pitchers and bowls just covered with beautiful art. Let me know if you ever trek up to see the temple; I live about five minutes away from it. 93 93/93, Steve 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Coyote 130 Area: Thelema To: Frater Almost 13 Apr 92 19:49:24 Subject: Templars Rec'd UpdReq Actually, once a DeMolay, always so. Only, when onE becomes 21, one is a 'SENIOR' DeMolay. E am obviously not THAT young, else E could not be affiliated with TOPY. FA> had occassion to meet. What do you think the FA> DeMolay leaders would say if they found out that FA> you were in TOPY? ;) Just Curious! Pax et Lox. hmm. to tell thee truth, E don't know. Probably think E am a bit further into thee deep end then they do already. However, E am quite sure they would take it better then Mrs. Troester, a really sweet old lady who lives across thee street from mE. pax130 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Coyote 130 Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 13 Apr 92 23:47:54 Subject: will UpdReq SC> "reality" (I use the quotes because I wonder if the SC> universe isn't a moot point without something to SC> experience and perceive it). In day-to-day mundane life, everyone actually, quantum physics show that reality is exactly that-- pax130 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718