From: John Youril Area: Base of Set To: Black Wulf 13 Aug 94 05:11:02 Subject: Do either the ToS or the CoS sa UpdReq Black Wulf wrote in a message to John Youril: BW> BW> NC> Inquiring mind(s) want to know... JY>To have an inquiring mind, you need an IQ higher than a canof tuna fish. JY>Perhaps in a subsequent post you will demonstrate that this is the case. BW> Gee John, you sound a bit testy today. Ad hominum attacks BW> are frowned upon. I'm getting tired of the "Do you drink BW> blood/sacrifice animals/etc." crap that gets asked, but BW> sometimes people are inquisitive. If you don't like my posts, then don't bloody read them! (grin) Be of good cheer--I'm going on vacation in three weeks. [BTW, the voting's running 2-to-0 in your favor. :-)] Xeper, John jyouril@astaroth.sacbbx.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Nicholas Carter 12 Aug 94 07:37:08 Subject: RE: Do either the ToS or the CoS sacrifice?UpdReq NC> Subject: Do either the ToS or the CoS sacrifice? The Temple of Set does not sacrifice. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dark Star Area: Base of Set To: Lord Troubleshooter 12 Aug 94 09:05:12 Subject: RE: Linda Blood UpdReq Re the CAN in which you and your fellow Wiccans are collaborators, the following FYI from a recent Scientology magazine: "The Cult Awareness Network, organized in 1974 by notorious deprogrammer and 3-time convicted felon Ted Patrick, is essentially a self-appointed judge and jury of religious belief in America. Among their tactics: the kidnapping, brainwashing, and beating of individuals found to be guilty of holding 'unacceptable' religious convictions and the continual and insidious denouncemet of all faiths. "At the core of CAN's activities, and despite continual problems with law enforcement agencies, is the practice of deprogramming. In brief, deprogramming is the forced conversion of belief through physical and mental duress. In addition to beating and constant haranguing, victimes of deprogramming have been sexually abused, starved, and literally terrified half to death, all to convince them to renounce their religious beliefs. "In 1974 Patrick was sentenced to one year in jail for false imprisonment (suspended on parole). A year later he spent another 60 days in jail for the same crime. From 1976 onward he was further convicted/charged with: kidnapping, conspiracy, abduction, & sexual battery; and was barred access to Canada after an attempted deprogramming assault on a Catholic nun. "No less a controversial figure is CAN's last president & anti-religious spokesman, Michael Rokos. Assuming directorship of the CAN group in 1989, Rokos soon became one of the nation's most vocal critics of religious freedom, and a hard-line deprogramming advocate. Yet he neglected to disclose that in July 1982 he accepted probation before judgment for attempting to solicit an undercover policeman to perform a perverse homosexual favor involving bondage, humiliation, and a particularly unusual form of masochism. Also included in the charge was resisting arrest." Sounds as though the Houston Wiccans have picked a great group to lapdog themselves to ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Lord Troubleshooter 12 Aug 94 11:07:24 Subject: RE: Linda Blood UpdReq Since the Linda Blood-personal contents of my Response to her _New Satanists_ consists merely of past statements from her that contradict her present ones, I fail to see what you are complaining about. And of course we have all of her obscene tapes on file - hours and hours of them, of which the citations in my paper were only a sample. I am fascinated to hear that the Wiccans of Houston, of whom I presume you are one, are fawning up to CAN. But then I have seen many instances of "White Witches" trying desperately to ally themselves with the Christian terrorist right-wing so as to avoid being its targets. Part of the old "We're witches, *not* Satanists!" ploy. Poor little fools. You'll learn your lesson the hard way. Incidentally, if you will provide me with the names and addresses of the CAN Wiccans in Houston, I will be pleased to send them copies of my response to Blood's book so that they can judge the facts for themselves. [I have already sent a copy to CAN's Executive Director Cynthia Kisser, who I'm sure will be pleased to know that Blood, as a CAN trophy, is so colorful in her telephone conversations - and such a principled champion of the anti-"cult" movement.] Well, there is a particularly gorgeous woman with whom I have been happily in love for many years - my wife Lilith - and I also have a great many female friends whose company I respect and enjoy & vice-versa. I can perhaps be excused for expressing relief that I have not attracted any more quite like Ms. Blood. It's interesting that you would know there to be 30,000 copies of Blood's book in print. That is helpful to me in my current correspondence with the publisher. Thank you. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Lilith Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Lord Troubleshooter 12 Aug 94 21:31:30 Subject: RE: Linda Blood UpdReq VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS. The only one "frothing at the mouth" here is you. The hysteria of your post reveals that you know our response to Blood's book is the truth. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you take it up with Blood, since we are merely quoting her own letters, statements and taped phone "messages". It's hardly our fault that Blood is such an embarrassment to you and CAN. But then the truth *is* painful, so your ranting is not surprising. I'm sure that people like you who were hoping to find in Linda Blood a stalwart, principled critic of the Temple of Set and Michael Aquino are going to be grinding their teeth to find out that she is merely a sexually-frantic and vulgar woman whose current posture as an "anti-cult crusader" is merely an excuse for her to exploit her anger that my husband refused to respond to her repeated, and repeated, and repeated demands that he have an affair with her, to put it politely. The entire Temple of Set and the Pagan community had a front-row seat at the spectacle of Ms. Blood slavering after my husband like a hysterical schoolgirl in heat. So if anything has been "exposed" here, it is Linda Blood's own lusts and perversions. Some spokeswoman for the Cult Awareness network, all right! But then what else should we expect? Even given the reputation of some of the more timid factions in Wicca for cowering before the Fundamentalist Right with their "We're *good* little witches, not *bad* Satanists!" plea-for-mercy, I'm still surprised that you would stoop so low as to wear the dog-collar of CAN. How they must laugh at you behind your backs - the "house Wiccans"! And how shocked and surprised you'll be when they finally decide you've outlived your propaganda usefulness and return you to "target" status. "B-but you said we were your f-friends!" Under other circumstances it would be amusing to watch this pathetic little melodrama unfold. But while you kiss CAN's feet and allow it to use you for its agenda, it's not only Satanists but other Wiccans & Pagans who must pay the price for your spinelessness. So very brave and principled of you. How fitting an ally for Linda Blood. As for the tapes of Blood's screaming calls, indeed we have them - hours and hours of them. We sent just the first 9 months' worth to the Lexington, Mass. Police, remember? Just sex and Nazis and Nazi sex - not a single complaint whatever about the Temple of Set's philosophy or membership programs. Sort of puts a kink in her righteous routine today, doesn't it? And speaking of kinks, at this time the attorneys in Warner's legal department, who are struggling to figure how they can get the company out of this unexpected mess, must be trading laughs between themselves over those phone quotes of Blood's: "I felt I was fighting for my very (sigh, gasp) survival!" (Swoon.) Right! As for the "30,000" copies of Blood's book in circulation, well there are now also thousands of copies of Dr. Aquino's response in circulation, both printed and electronic over BBSs & Internet. Should make for interesting comparative reading, don't you think? Dr. Aquino and I have brushed a lot of these scummy little attacks against us off the soles of our shoes over the past few years, and there's nothing the least bit more impressive about this one. If anything, it ranks down among the most ineffective and shabbiest. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Black Wulf Area: Base of Set To: Nicholas Carter 12 Aug 94 08:58:26 Subject: Do either the ToS or the CoS sa UpdReq As it says in my title: do either the Temple of Set or the Church of Satan sacrifice? Inquiring mind(s) want to know... --- Nicholas, As a member of the ToS I can say most assuredly that we do not perform sacrifices during our rituals. This is a topic that comes up from time to time, but I know of no organized LHP group that employs blood sacrifices. Now if you're refering to a metaphysical sacrifice of say, "the self, to the self" (From the poetic edda's Havamal) that would be a different story. Black Wulf 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Black Wulf Area: Base of Set To: John Youril 12 Aug 94 09:01:44 Subject: Do either the ToS or the CoS sa UpdReq NC> Inquiring mind(s) want to know... JY>To have an inquiring mind, you need an IQ higher than a canof tuna fish. JY>Perhaps in a subsequent post you will demonstrate that this is the case. Gee John, you sound a bit testy today. Ad hominum attacks are frowned upon. I'm getting tired of the "Do you drink blood/sacrifice animals/etc." crap that gets asked, but sometimes people are inquisitive. Xeper Black Wulf 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Lord Troubleshooter 15 Aug 94 18:49:00 Subject: Re: Linda Blood UpdReq LT> It may also interest you to know that Linda Blood is well known LT> and respected LT> in the Wiccan & Pagan communities. If you had been paying That will do nothing to highten her standing here. LT> And where are your friends and buddies, Aquino? LT> I don't see anyone rushing to your defense on this BBS... Bullshit requires no defense. You'll therefore see none. LT> I would like to heartily recommend Linda Blood's book, "The New LT> Satanists" LT> to each and all. There are currently 30,000 copies in print...and LT> it's LT> selling fast, fast, fast!!!!! I don't know about anyone else, but this has a vaguely reminiscent smell to me! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Black Wulf Area: Base of Set To: John Youril 14 Aug 94 13:41:06 Subject: Do either the ToS or the CoS sa UpdReq John, Let's hope that when you go on vacation that your bbs doesn't! Xeper, Black Wulf 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 16 Aug 94 08:53:14 Subject: RE: Linda Blood Sent UpdReq MA> Incidentally, if you will provide me with the MA> names and addresses of the CAN MA> Wiccans in Houston, I will be pleased to send MA> them copies of my response to MA> Blood's book so that they can judge the facts for MA> themselves. [I have already Would you send me a copy of your response? It does not appear to be available here. I'll be pleased to pay in advance or reimburse you for any cost. Mailing address: P.O. Box 466, Wickliffe, Ohio 44092-0466. Thanks in advance! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718