From: Paul Hume Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 7 Sep 93 09:31:34 Subject: Excremeditational Reading Rec'd UpdReq Albert - Thanks for the heads-up. I'll have to procure a copy for the locked Camp archives before the Legal Fund nukes the author from here to qlippoth. 93. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: All 4 Sep 93 22:00:44 Subject: trapeziod UpdReq Greetings. I have read mention in both CoS and ToS literature of the magickal properties of "nine angles" and the trapeziod. Would anyone please elucidate for me the theory behind these; ie. their purpose, symbolism, etc.? Also, could someone please describe for me the Seal of Set? Thanks. Haeglwulf ... What do you mean, the goat won't do it? Then do it yourself! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: All 4 Sep 93 22:16:46 Subject: Odhinn=Set? UpdReq Greetings. I heard somewhere that Dr. Flowers has made a comparative study of Odhinn, as an archetype of self-evolved consciousness, and Set. Is anyone on this echo familiar with Dr. Flower's work, and if so, could you share some of his ideas with me, or perhaps direct me to some files to down-load? This would greatly aid me in assimilating my Odian work with Setian ideas/philosophy. I recognize the similarities of Odinic self-willed realization, and the concept of Xeper. From my readings, I believe that the Odian and Setian paths seek the same end, the evolution of the consciousness through will, according to a self-realized pattern. Any help in this would be appreciated. Respectfully, Haeglwulf ... What do you mean, the goat won't do it? Then do it yourself! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: All 4 Sep 93 22:22:54 Subject: Aeons of Set and Horus UpdReq Greetings. Yes, I'm information hungery. In case my other two posts don't get a response, I thought I'd add a third. Would anyone care to comment upon the relationships (if any) between the Aeons of Horus and Set? I read in the Reading List files that the ToS recognizes the Aeon of Horus, as established by Crowley, but believe that it was superseded by the Aeon of Set, as established by Dr. Aquino. As an initiate of the OTO, this is of special interest to me. Haeglwulf ... What do you mean, the goat won't do it? Then do it yourself! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 4 Sep 93 14:52:58 Subject: RE: Marilyn Monroe Rec'd UpdReq In cahoots with Elvis. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 4 Sep 93 17:41:04 Subject: RE: Re: Wewelsberg Rec'd UpdReq An amusing bit of trivia concerning _Foucault's Pendulum_: On page #493 of the paperback edition, the crescendo of the "Black Mass" arrives with the utterance "I'a Cthulhu! I'a S'ha-t'n!" Heap-um powerful magic words, these ... In 1972 Anton LaVey asked me to compose two Lovecraft-theme rituals & an introductory essay for them for his _Satanic Rituals_ book. I did so, and the second ritual - the "Call to Cthulhu" - originally ended with "I'a Cthulhu!" - which seemed to me to be reasonably vintage HPL. Anton, however, wanted a "Satanic" touch - hence added the "S'ha-t'n" as a follow-up. Now this pair of salutations to thematically-divergent deities has been immortalized in _FP_. Eventually scholars will puzzle over the strange mythological sources for same, as in the case of Frank Long's Hounds of Tindalos (whose name, he remarked to me, was inspired by the word "tinder", because he was trying to think of something that had to do with "fire"). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 4 Sep 93 17:43:44 Subject: RE: Wewelsberg Rec'd UpdReq What? You mean that you actually came to San Francisco and were allowed to escape unconverted?! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 5 Sep 93 07:34:18 Subject: stuff to do UpdReq Greetings Deep Black, I too am working with lots of stuff in mundaneia, so I too choose to wait till the not too distant future. I still want to do something with my original idea though. Su> Why don't we get some simutanious stuff going on. Su> What ae you workng on right now. DB> I did want to ask you what you thought of the two ring designs. DB> I think you have seen both, right? The one based on the Seal is not DB> too hard to imagine, but what does the other one look like? Can you elaborate more on what you are eluding to. I don't know if you are talking about the Warrior's Guild, or what? BTW, Setanta resigned from the TOS. She tells me she works better as a Rogue. Xeper Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 5 Sep 93 07:44:12 Subject: Hierarchy of Needs Rec'd UpdReq Greetings Rakshasa, I tend to disagree with a mind set you prescribe to. For myself, this is reversed....... R> I think you have to get your mundane affairs in some semblance of R> order _before_ you can start worrying about magick R> and ritual (at least that's been my experience). R> Since _Xeper_ is an unnatural process, it's R> important that things in the natural (mundane) R> realm be taken care of first. When you say that one has to get mundane affairs in semblenceof order _before_ he/she can start worrying about Magic and ritual you are taking power away from your Magical Being. My Magical Being (self ahead of self) is strived for every day (night). This is first and I am finding that mundane stuff like shelter, food, love, on up the pyramid just takes care of it's self. I get to the bottom of Maslow's pyramid through the cap stone and the foundation has qualities of laser alignment. My intentions in the future are to take my pyramid into space or as we Setians know it 'The Universe'. The latter will take some time, but I know I will have fun getting there. Xeper Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Phug 5 Sep 93 08:01:06 Subject: Project ~ka~ UpdReq Greetings Phug, :-) You ask .... P> Now, is 'ka' an actual physical force, let's say P> the measureable electric force that each human P> posesses, or is it an idealized mental image? It is indeed an idealized mental image and I understand we can create it in any form that will work best for our needs at any given time. As to being a physical or electric force that depends on our needs. I have never personally worked in this realm and don't know if a ~ka form can effect changes on the physical plane or if these changes can be measured by physical means. My intention here is to agree on each of us creating a ~ka~ form to complement the others. Sort of like two buddies going out to do a job that one might not be able to do alone. I have been part of an experement concerning collective astral travel with no common connections between any of the participants. With this ~ka~ proposal I am trying to find a common link that we humuans can access and at least get rid of the need for long distance phone bills and at the most find out once and for all if there is a realm outside of our physical brains and bodies. I think that we have to get out of the mind set that the only forces are water, wind, fire (electricity), and rock. Lets use our imagination to dive into the unknown and create. I propose we create ~ka~ forms with the ability to transform sort of like the character in Terminator II that could take on the form of liquid metal. I am finding it hard to put my intentions in words at this point so I will stop here and let you ponder this latest mumbo jumbo. PS for a job task that these ~ka` forms could do, what about somethig with the rain forest issue. I am very passionate about this pointless desecration. Xeper Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phug Area: Base of Set To: Sucellos 6 Sep 93 17:03:00 Subject: Re: Project ~ka~ UpdReq Su> It is indeed an idealized mental image and I understand we can Su> create it in any form that will work best for our needs at any given Su> My intention here is to agree on each of us creating a ~ka~ form to Su> complement the others. Sort of like two buddies going out to do a Su> job that one might not be able to do alone. Su> With this ~ka~ proposal I am trying to find a common link that we Su> humuans can access and at least get rid of the need for long distance Su> phone bills and at the most find out once and for all if there is a Su> realm outside of our physical brains and bodies. Su> ~ka~ forms with the ability to transform sort of like the character Su> in Terminator II that could take on the form of liquid metal. Okay, I think I understand. Please correct me if I am wrong. What you're proposing is that we create these ideal forms of ourselves and mesh them into a...kind of a psychic task force? I already have an image of myself in my mind that doesn't match my physical self, so I could start with that as a base. If this is what you mean, I am more than willing to try. You will have to walk me through it, though. I know not what I do. :) So, reply to me soon and tell me how we shall go about this. I find the prospect quite interesting. Phug 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Sucellos 6 Sep 93 21:10:00 Subject: Re: stuff to do UpdReq Su> I too am working with lots of stuff in mundaneia, so I too choose to Su> wait till the not too distant future. I still want to do something Su> with my original idea though. Understood. Looks like it will be just you and I, though. I'll think about my ideas for a simultaneous Working and you do the same. I am going to do a Working in the not too distance future in order to "ask" my "Self ahead of self" (which Magistra R. mentioned in the Order of Anpu announcement this latest _Scroll_) about my magical name. This is something I have never felt strongly about until now. I had already been musing upon this subject before reading Priestess N.'s article regarding same, which keyed into the Order of Anpu's Coming into Being. I have felt for a long time that many people feel as though they HAVE to have a magical name, and adopt them for the wrong (and sometimes frivolous) reasons. Then I see them continually screw with them and obsess about it. On the other hand, I don't want to appear to be dour and overly serious either. DB> I did want to ask you what you thought of the two ring designs. Su> Can you elaborate more on what you are eluding to. Sorry, I wasn't being clear. It is my understanding that you had seen the design of the rings that are being offered to members of the Temple of Set by the Setian artisan. At one time either you or Setana had mentioned that you had thought them to be very nice pieces. I was wondering if you could describe them to me. The mention of them in the _Scroll_ didn't go into much detail. Su> BTW, Setanta resigned from the TOS. She tells me she works better as Su> a Rogue. I wish her well and all good things on her continuing journey! Tell her I said so, ok? Su> Xeper Xeper and Remanifest - DB - 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 6 Sep 93 21:46:00 Subject: Re: trapeziod UpdReq Ha> of "nine angles" and the trapeziod. Would anyone please elucidate Ha> for me the theory behind these; ie. their purpose, symbolism, etc.? I would if I could, but there are those far more competent in these areas than I would will do that far more justice than I could with my limited knowledge. Ha> Also, could someone please describe for me the Seal of Set? That I can do! }:D The Seal of Set is a design of two concentric circles. Within the center circle is a stylizied image of Set in, for lack of a better term, portrait. Arranged about the outer circle is a series of proportionally spaced hieroglyphics. Within a month of my Initiation within the Temple of Set, I began attempting to translate the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics in the Seal (which is found on other Temple documents as well.) I worked for about a month using Sir E.A. Wallis Budge's _Egyptian Language: Early Lessons in Egyptian Hieroglyphics_ as my primary reference. I got pretty close and sent a letter to the member of the Magistry who designed the Seal seeing how far off I was (or how close.) While re-reading _The Book of Coming Forth by Night_, I had a revelation in which several things jelled and almost instantly had the correct translation. This was only a few days after sending off the aforementioned letter. It was the beginning of a relationship which is proving fruitful to me now in some very special ways two years later. This was more than a simple description, but I felt like relating my experience with the Seal and the events that followed. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 6 Sep 93 21:57:00 Subject: Re: Odhinn=Set? UpdReq Ha> Is anyone on this echo Ha> familiar with Dr. Flower's work, and if so, could you share some of Ha> his ideas with me, or perhaps direct me to some files to down-load? I have read the great amjority of his work, including some upcoming books that will be published soon but were available to some Initiates of the Temple of Set before that time. One of the latest is _Lords of the Left Hand Path_. If you are unfamiliar with the titles, I can provide you with a list of his published works. I have no idea what the files library of the board you are using looks like, but there are quite a few here on Purgatory, some of which deal with him and his ideas and others that are runic tutorials, etc. Then there are some which Dr. Flowers wrote himself, of course. Ha> Any help in this would be appreciated. Thats about I'll I can give you. There are others far more knowledgeable about these areas than I who frequent the echos. Hope this is of some help to you. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Sucellos 6 Sep 93 22:22:00 Subject: Re: Project ~ka~ UpdReq Su> PS for a job task that these ~ka` forms could do, what about somethig Su> with the rain forest issue. I am very passionate about this Su> pointless desecration. Leaving the Ka aside for the moment, the rain forest and the wonderful job we humans have done destroying it and the indigenous peoples who inhabited it is one of my passions as well. I am a member of the Botanical Preservation Corps connected with "...of the jungle." We work to preserve species of plants being brought out of the various Amazonian rain forests. This takes the form of financially supporting the expeditions and a several hundred acre area of the "big island" of Hawaii in which to propagate the plants and seeds. Most of these were identified by the shamans of the area and folk healers. Some of them are simply used as they have been for as long as any of the different tribes can remember, without reference to the healers as it is common knowledge among them. BPC also publishes a newsletter quarterly titled _Plantwise_. Recordings of the native songs, chants, music and folklore are part of the ever increasing library of data being compiled as well. First come the missionaries, to save the lost souls of the "poor ignorant savages" and teach them english. Then come the oil, mining and other rapicious industry contacts who further screw them. Then follows all the wonderful things of the modern world and before long they are spiraling down the economic and spiritual toilet. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Base of Set To: All 6 Sep 93 01:31:12 Subject: Bad News UpdReq 93 all, this is to let you know that i have to say goodbye here some time very soon. when i logged on tonight, there was a message from my sysop saying that he will be discontinuing carrying NuitNet echoes (including this one) due to 'political reasons'. (i'm not sure, but i believe this involves a disagreement between my sysop and the person who he gets his NuitNet feeds from, but i don't know for sure.) if you don't hear back from me on something you've posted me, it would be because the echo was dropped. (don't know how soon the feed will be cut off.) i can still be reached on POD's echoes and i can also be reached by netmail. 93, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Setanta Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 6 Sep 93 18:56:12 Subject: Glinda UpdReq Dear Dr. Aquino, Before I attempt an "illegal log-on" for any left-over messages, should I assume that I would be unable to log on to Glinda for any remaining unread messages? If so, I completely understand. Be seeing you anyway in a couple of weeks! Xeper, Eve Martin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy Area: Base of Set To: Shadowraith 7 Sep 93 05:26:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq Sh> Listen, I don't care what scores you may have gotten on any Sh> tests you have taken in the past that gave you this pompous attitude Sh> of yours, but I can tell you that I see no reason why you have it. Pomposity for what? If I felt that I was any better a person than anybody in here, I wouldn't "waste" my time. Obviously, such is not the case. Sh> All you have done is insult, you have not debated. Cite one insult. *I* have not debated? I believe it is most of my critics in here who have wasted most of the conversation attempting to capitalize on anything they find in me that is not up to their standards. They have continually "debated" my style and offered no substantive support of their own opinions. They say the right phrases but offer not much of anything solid. I've been given a few good references but whatever your position is on things is quite unclear. Things have been mostly centered on how much I "don't know" rather than how much you do know. Mr. PMG (to be continued...) You made a few Sh> good points and Sh> thought you were god because of it. And yes, YOU HAVE SHOVED YOUR 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Draco Area: Base of Set To: All 5 Sep 93 04:41:30 Subject: Information please... UpdReq I would like to find some information on the TOS and Setian beliefs in general. Would someone please provide me with a short dissertation on origins, beliefs, theology etc? Also, what publications are available and where do I write for them? Draco Sysop House Draconis BBS ~~~ * VbReader 1.5 #NR * Heather Locklear Scratch and Sniff-> 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 7 Sep 93 02:51:38 Subject: RE: Astrum Argenteum (A.'.A.'.) UpdReq 93 dr. aquino, MA> Read John Symonds' _The Great Beast_. This will put MA> Crowley in perspective for MA> you from a common-sense, objective standpoint. [Many latter-day Thelemites MA> hate this book because they feel it de-mythologizes AC i have read symonds book, though it has been quite a few years. i still have a copy of it, so i guess i will go back and check it out again. BTW, i never had a problem with this particular book, myself. to me, it didn't seem to present crowley any worse than colin wilson's crowley bio. MA> before - They may or may MA> not be sincerely attempting to practice the A.'.A.'. as set forth in the MA> _Equinox_. But they know no more than you could find MA> out for yourself via some MA> serious scholarship and practice. So take them at face MA> value, and enjoy what MA> they have to offer *if* you benefit thereby. But don't be misled by any of MA> this "we-are-the-original" ooga-booga routine. thanks for the info., and the advice. i'm not currently planning on joining up with any orders of any sort, any time in the near future. mostly, i was curious to find out what sort of A.A. lineage was still around. (i also try to keep track of currently existing occult orders of various sorts, in part because many people often ask me where they can find different groups.) 93, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Base of Set To: Josh Norton 7 Sep 93 02:59:14 Subject: Astrum argenteum (a.'.a. UpdReq 93 josh norton, JN> Actually, that particular rule was adopted from the Golden Dawn. Members JN> were not supposed to have any contact with other members _outside_ the JN> organization's meetings. In the G.D., it didn't preclude meetings even that's not my understanding of it. from what i have heard and read, the A.A. wasn't supposed to have GROUP meetings, period. it is also my understanding that this was not derived from the G.D., but did in fact come from crowley's interp. of the Book of the Law. but, hell, i don't know...... JN> giving any sign of recognition. JN> On another point, didn't Crowley officially expel Achad from the A.A. at JN> some point in their decades-long bickering? I seem to recall Grant or i'm not too sure about that. i have read most of grant's books, and don't recall reading this in any of grant's books, (or anywhere else), but crowley did 'disown' achad as his magickal child. maybe someone out there knows whether achad was kicked out of the A.A.? JN> ... All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism. i like your tagline! 93, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Goodtime Warrior Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 7 Sep 93 09:17:00 Subject: Odhinn=Set? UpdReq HH> I heard somewhere that Dr. Flowers has made a comparative study HH> of Odhinn, as HH> an archetype of self-evolved consciousness, and Set. Is anyone HH> on this echo HH> familiar with Dr. Flower's work, and if so, could you share HH> some of his ideas HH> with me, or perhaps direct me to some files to down-load? This HH> would greatly HH> aid me in assimilating my Odian work with Setian HH> ideas/philosophy. HH> HH> I recognize the similarities of Odinic self-willed realization, HH> and the HH> concept of Xeper. From my readings, I believe that the Odian HH> and Setian HH> paths seek the same end, the evolution of the consciousness HH> through will, HH> according to a self-realized pattern. HH> Heilsa, Dr. Stephen Flowers a/k/a Edred Thorsson addresses this to a certain extent in the book _The Nine Doors of Midgard_. I haven't seen anything where he compares Odian and Setian paths, although I have heard he has written about this. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 7 Sep 93 21:09:00 Subject: Odhinn=Set? UpdReq > I recognize the similarities of Odinic self-willed realization, and the > concept of Xeper. From my readings, I believe that the Odian and Setian > paths seek the same end, the evolution of the consciousness through > will, according to a self-realized pattern. The ODIAN and SETIAN paths are the same things with different names. Thorsson (Flowers) invented the term "Odian" to describe his take on things in the Nordic mythos. The Odhinnist is something else altogether. I've pointed out before that if someone takes the introduction to _Nine Doors of Midgard_ (which explains Odian philosophy) and substitute "Set" for "Odhinn" and "Setian" for "Odian" it, which a few minor mythology differences, reads like a standard Setian philosophical discussion, as I have seen Setians here and in files or articles display. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuromancer Area: Base of Set To: Christeos Pir 5 Sep 93 10:21:12 Subject: RE-This Nazi business UpdReq Christeos, You are quite correct, the Black Flame was a publication of the CoS as well as the Cloven Hoof. Neuromancer 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuromancer Area: Base of Set To: Goodtime Warrior 5 Sep 93 10:28:08 Subject: RE-Re: Wewelsberg UpdReq GW> Well, I have seen both the Swastika and the inverted T referred GW> to as variations of the Thor's Hammer. Apparently the Swastika is GW> the more ancient symbol and comes from pre-Indo-European cultures. GW> The inverted T replaced the Swastika later on. If you check out several of ET's books on runes (if you haven't already) he has alot of good historical information on both the swastika and the thor's hammer. Incidently, was looking at a copy of RE-Search "Modern Primitives" last night at a friend's house and they show a women's hockey team (I believe Canadian) from 1919 that had swastikas emblazoned on their jerseys. This was their logo and predated the Nazi movement (obviously). I wonder if any of this women are still around and what they think of it now. Neuromancer. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuromancer Area: Base of Set To: Grendel Grettisson 5 Sep 93 10:35:02 Subject: RE-Wewelsberg UpdReq GG> I didn't know we had formed Rune Gild members on the net. I was GG> once interested in the group but given its general level of GG> (non)activity, I was never given a reason to join or even means to GG> do so. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a former member. At the time I joined (quite a while ago) the concepts were a bit difficult for me to grasp. When I joined the ToS it had become a choice between rejoining the Rune-Gild or the ToS -- both of which interested me. After talking to people involved with both I found the ToS to be (for me at least) an extension of the teachings of the Rune-Gild. I must admit that the inactivity of the Rune-Gild did have more than a little to do with my decision though. Neuromancer neuromancer@f250.n125.z1.fidonet.org 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuromancer Area: Base of Set To: Grendel Grettisson 5 Sep 93 10:41:28 Subject: RE-This Nazi business UpdReq Grendel, If I may elucidate on Deep Black's comment: > By the way, the Order of the Trapezoid is an pathetic LBM tool for the > Church of Satan. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Temple of Set and > never did.. The OoT was an honorary order within the CoS. It was Anton's way of awarding "brownie points" it was nothing more than a status symbol. GG> The Order of the Trapezoid (O.Tr.) extracts the positive, the GG> constructive, the exalted, and the Romantic from the Germanic GG> magical tradition - and just as carefully avoids and rejects those GG> excesses, distortions, and cruelties which have made this tradition GG> an object of the most extraordinary fear, condemnation, and GG> suppression in the postwar period. The Germanic tradition is also GG> part of the legacy of the Prince of Darkness, hence is appropriate GG> to an Order within the Temple of Set, which embraces all GG> manifestations of the powers of darkness. What we have is a matter of semantics. The CoS's OoT does have nothing to do with the ToS OoT in that while bearing the same name, they are two completely different things. The Satanic OoT was a passive order, while the Setian OoT is a quite active order. Is it clear now? Neuromancer 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 7 Sep 93 21:39:30 Subject: Re: Aeons of Set and Horus UpdReq On 04 Sep 93 22:22:55, Haeglwulf posted to All concerning: Aeons of Set and Horus ... Ha> Would anyone care to comment upon the relationships (if any) between Ha> the Aeons of Horus and Set? Ha> Ha> I read in the Reading List files that the ToS recognizes the Aeon of Ha> Horus, as established by Crowley, but believe that it was superseded by Ha> the Aeon of Set, as established by Dr. Aquino. Ha> Ha> As an initiate of the OTO, this is of special interest to me. Simply, as aeons progress, the Aeon of Set and its Word Xeper have superseded (advanced past) the Aeon of Horus and its Word Thelema. This doesn't mean that the old Aeon is worthless, just as being able to fly the Concorde doesn't make the automobile worthless. However, mankind (or at least the initiatory elite of mankind) has advanced, and those who insist on remaining mired in the Aeon of Horus, refusing to examine the new ideas and their promises, will be left behind (just as Crowley and his students left behind the magicians mired in the previous Aeon). Balanone PP ... I'm returning this doughnut for a refund. It has a hole in it. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 8 Sep 93 11:00:40 Subject: RE: Marilyn Monroe Sent UpdReq Rumor has it that Barney The Dinosaur is the result of an Eleventh Degree type working between Elvis and Kermit the frog. Have you seen a Nick Roeg movie called INSIGNIFICANCE? Rent this thing, you'll love it. It depicts a chance series of encounters between Joe McCarthy, DiMaggio & Monroe, and Albert Einstein. It's a hoot. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 8 Sep 93 11:05:48 Subject: RE: Re: Wewelsberg Sent UpdReq Thanks for the Eco reference! You should send him a signed copy, he'd appreciate that. Have you ever read his essay on the James Bond books? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Michael Aquino 8 Sep 93 11:08:50 Subject: RE: Wewelsberg Sent UpdReq I had to leave abruptly owing to a Pynchonian family situation, and I was burnt out on occult societies owing to a very positive but tremendously exhausting period of interaction with one. I've buried the details of that story with the famous lead casket in the Hochfeiler, just suffice it to say I "shot my wad" in '85, no further details, burnt out on groups. Around the time I left Sandi Gallant was trashing her credibility playing Gestapo with you. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 8 Sep 93 11:32:48 Subject: Rain Forest Preservation Sent UpdReq Please post the address of that organization for those of us who would like to lend support. We could collectively attempt to project a booger, along the lines of the NJ Pine Barrens "Devil", to terrorize the eco-rapists. Something vicious and colorful... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Balanone 8 Sep 93 11:43:16 Subject: Horus, Maat, Set Sent UpdReq The Setian aeonic theory dovetails very nicely with a pet theory of mine having to do with an encroaching alteration of temporal flow related to the revelations of Crowley, Jones, Aquino, and others. Terrence McKenna is a reference here, specifically THE ARCHAIC REVIVAL. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: All 8 Sep 93 21:47:18 Subject: A Revelation Sent UpdReq 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718