From: JULIA PHILLIPS Area: Base of Set To: ALL 22 Aug 93 22:22:00 Subject: Membership of Pagan Group UpdReq Hello folks - I'd appreciate any responses on this. In Australia there is an organisation called Pan Pacific Pagan Alliance, which exists as a networking and information service for Pagans, and about Paganism, in the south Pacific region. A couple of months ago, I proposed a policy for the Pagan Alliance, that membership should be open to Setians. Debate is continuing, and I'd be happy to post here copies of the letters to date, if anyone is interested. But, reading the TOS introductory material, it is quite clearly stated that membership of TOS precludes membership of other religious organisations. So - can anyone tell me - is the debate within the Pagan Alliance irrelevant? Would it be impossible for a Setian to apply for membership to the Pagan Alliance (always supposing they wanted to, of course :-) Thanks friends. B*B Julia ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy Area: Base of Set To: Shadowraith 24 Aug 93 06:59:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq Sh> I can understand that you value celibacy... To an extent, yes. As for my personal trek through life, it no longer plays an active role within it. Sh> But that's no reason to push your beliefs unto anyone else. You write in cliches. If I have missed something in my own writing then I would appreciate it if you would cite the offending passage(s). However, I do not push my beliefs onto others and I do not believe that I have done so in this echo. If anything, I have only stated my position(s) while seeking light debate on the matter. Seeing that my beliefs stem not from the Setian mindset, I have been curious to test their validity by "bouncing" them around in here. So far, I've given good reasons for believing what I believe and have been answered by weightless, rhetorical answers like the one you just sent me. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 24 Aug 93 07:40:00 Subject: Re: Wewelsberg Rec'd UpdReq AS> this Wewelsberg thing... 1500 slave laborers died building AS> Wewelsberg. The castle was around long before the Nazis. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 24 Aug 93 19:39:28 Subject: Re: Hi Again! Rec'd UpdReq Greetings Rakshasa, I apologise for being so tardy with communication but I found employment and I haven't had much spare time to get into cyber space. My Xeper has been along the lines of body (kung fu), mind (medical education), and endulgence. I haven't been spending much time in chamber or expanding my spiritual being. There has been a definate change in my interests after doing the Leviathon working. I can't put my finger on it, but I seem to be living on the sixth angle (grave yard). (sort of solidifying and strengthening the person I have become). I really don't expect ya to understand what I am trying to say. Hell I haven't figured it out yet. I guess there has been so much change in my life I need a breather to see where I am and where I want to go next. I hope to hear from ya. Xeper and Remanifest Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Phug 24 Aug 93 19:56:44 Subject: Re: Are You Out There UpdReq Hi Phug, I am sorry about my tardiness in my communication. I have found new employment and I haven't had much time to get into cyber space. Well, I must be the unwitty one. In my last message to ya I used a barrage of unfamiliar terminology. Here I will try to clearify. ~ba~- A portion of the soul. The personlaity. The essential self, which is stron and justified, and could lead a free existance. (in Egyptian Mythos) ~ka- A double of one's desire. An impersonal force wich remains to recive offerings of one's ancestors. A created model of one's self used to act upon the Objective Universein direct proportion to the passion and precision of it's creator. Leviathon- ageless continuity. That which God or man has not yet begun to control. And when it is understood life as we know it will cease to exist and be for the underatander to determine. So knowing this, do ya want to work with `ka` forms and see what we come up with? Again I leave the target or effect of the experement up to you. See ya soon, I hope!! :-{) Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sucellos Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 24 Aug 93 20:12:38 Subject: Re: Are You Out There UpdReq Greetings in Darkness Deep Black, DB> I am REALLY looking forward to doing Workings with you and Setana! DB> Ahhh....all the things the future holds! The possibilities are, quite DB> literally, infinite! And as Spanky once said, "And how!!" Why don't we get some simutanious stuff going on. What ae you workng on right now. I would like to work with ~ka~ forms and try to acess the Magical Link to effect measurable changes on the Objective. Xeper on dude! Sucellos 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Base of Set To: Laylah Gait 24 Aug 93 01:29:28 Subject: Re: Dual Membership -- O.T.O. and ToS UpdReq 93 laylah, LG> Sorry to butt in, but I saw O T O and it caught my LG> attention! I was a member quite a long time ago and LG> have since lost track of what was going on. I heard LG> that McMurtry passed on - who took over???? Is there hymenaes beta is the current OHO. unlike grady, he prefers to keep his identity private. LG> an active group in Colorado Springs????? LG> LG pardon my ignornace, but is colorado springs in colorado? (you never know.) i can find out if there is a group in that area for you. 93, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 25 Aug 93 14:18:30 Subject: Re: Wewelsberg Sent UpdReq Clearly I was misinformed on THAT one. Can you give me a bit more of its history? I suspect I may have been completely bamboozled on this. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 24 Aug 93 19:29:52 Subject: Re: Free Love Rec'd UpdReq -=> Albert Saperstein sent a message to Christeos Pir on 23 Aug 93 22:11:32 <=- -=> Re: Re: Free Love <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. AS> I got a lot of mileage out of the material in STEAL THIS BOOK. On my AS> own at age 15 the stuff that went into that book was the stuff of my AS> daily bread. Oh, it _worked_ alright... he stole the book himself! I remember an article from some guy, full of corroborating stuff and testimonials, in which he showed that Mr. Love-your-brother-and-FTW, screwed his brother and sold it to the world! Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir ... and they shall find thee as a black gnarl'd glittering stone, 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Christeos Pir 25 Aug 93 21:55:56 Subject: Re: Free Love Sent UpdReq STEAL THIS BOOK was compiled from numerous YIP/Digger/random sources. Abbie was quite open about that. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy 25 Aug 93 22:21:36 Subject: Re: Free Love Sent UpdReq I think you really need to read more, son. What I perceived as admirable brass turns out to be uninformed pomposity. You wouldn't last 5 days in New York... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718