From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Nachash 23 Aug 93 07:47:00 Subject: Re: Greetings UpdReq Na> supply me with a snail mail address where I can reach you at? I can only crash mail to Northern Lights. If you call Purgatory, I'll have E-mail waiting with my snail. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 23 Aug 93 12:24:00 Subject: Re: Wewelsberg Rec'd UpdReq AS> I don't know if any of you Setians can or will answer this question, AS> but it is my understanding that the "inaugural" ceremony of the AS> Temple of Set was held at Wewelsberg. I have also seen the "Wolf AS> Rune" used in connection with ToS. My question is, bluntly, are you AS> Nazis? No. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Nachash 23 Aug 93 12:34:00 Subject: snail UpdReq On second thought, I'm not sure you are still on Purgatory. If you have a po, let me have it and I'll snail you mine. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Base of Set To: Shadowraith 23 Aug 93 21:05:00 Subject: Re: ToS UpdReq Sh> Where do I write to recieve more information about the ToS? Here's the Temple's P.O. Box : The Temple of Set P.O. Box 470307 San Francisco, CA. 45015 Address the letter to the Executive Director and request the Temple's general information letter. If you don't mind calling long distance, my system (Purgatory) has a number of ToS files available for download - (918) 835-2429. -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Base of Set To: Laylah Gait 23 Aug 93 15:59:22 Subject: Re: Dual Membership -- O.T.O. and ToS UpdReq -=> Laylah Gait sent a message to V. H. on 20 Aug 93 19:56:00 <=- -=> Re: Re: Dual Membership -- O.T.O. and ToS <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. LG> Sorry to butt in, but I saw O T O and it caught my attention! I was LG> a member quite a long time ago and have since lost track of what was LG> going on. I heard that McMurtry passed on - who took over???? Is LG> there an active group in Colorado Springs????? LG The OTO is indeed still active and growing, under a new Caliph, Hymenaeus Beta (no one s'pose to know who he is, thou quite a few do, of course). Will you settle for Crestone, CO? (Sorry, it's the closest one I could find... it's either that, or Salt Lake City, UT, or Bellevue, NB.) Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir ... flowers of the roses that are about her neck, Amen! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: Laylah Gait 23 Aug 93 11:25:36 Subject: OTO in the 90's UpdReq * Reply to msg originally in Base Of Set Echo -=> Quoting Laylah Gait to V. H. <=- LG> Sorry to butt in, but I saw O T O and it caught my attention! I was LG> a member quite a long time ago and have since lost track of what was LG> going on. I heard that McMurtry passed on - who took over???? Is LG> there an active group in Colorado Springs????? Greetings. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" First off, because this is a Temple of Set echo, I'll keep this brief. McMurtry did pass on; the new OHO goes by Hymenaeus Beta. According to the spring _Magical Link_, there is a camp in Crestone, CO. You can write to the Grand Lodge to get their PO Box (I won't give it over the Net) US Grand Secretary General Frater Y.V. Ordo Templi Orientis POB 32 Riverside, CA 92502 In the meantime, there is an open OTO chat echo; for the life of me I cannot remember it's name. Perhaps someone else will mention it. "Love is the Law, Love under Will" Fr. Haeglwulf 0o, OTO ... What do you mean, the goat won't do it? Then do it yourself! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Grendel Grettisson 23 Aug 93 18:58:00 Subject: Re: Mezlim, DM Kraig and a question UpdReq On 19 Aug 93 13:43:00, concerning Mezlim, DM Kraig and a question, Grendel Grettisson said to All ... GG> * Forwarded from "Magick Three " GG> * Originally by Windrider GG> * Originally to All GG> * Originally dated 17 Aug 1993, 23:17 GG> Recently read the first part of the "Satanic Panic" article Donald GG> Michael Kraig did for Mezlim's Lughnasadh ish. Can't recommend it GG> enough and can't wait for the second half... GG> However, a question for anyone who might know. Reference was made to GG> "Edred Thorsson" as a lieutenant of Aquino's Temple of Set, and the GG> two of them going to an SS occult site and doing rituals there. "ET" GG> is a pretty unusual name. Is this the same Thorsson of Ring of Troth GG> fame, who's written so many runebooks (and an oghamic book) for GG> Llewellyn? Curious... none of his publications make the connection. Grendel -- I assume you cross-posted this here for confirmation? Yes, the Edred Thorsson is the same Thorsson of Ring of Troth (as you knew), and he is a member of the Temple of Set. I wouldn't call him "a lieutenant of Aquino's Temple of Set," since the organization isn't structured like that ... Thorsson is a high Initiate in his own right, with his personal emphasis (naturally) in the Germanic and Nordic traditions. I expect the "SS occult site" that's mention is the Wewelsburg Castle, where Dr. Aquino performed his Wewelsburg Working. Thorsson wasn't there, and I don't know of any trip the two of them have ever made together to Germany or even Europe. That part appears to be an embellishment upon Dr. Aquino's activity. As for "none of his publications make the connection," none of his publications deal with Setian issues, philosophy, symbolism, etc. His publications deal with those areas of his expertise in which he's qualified to write, and his Setian affiliation is incidental and not part of that qualification. Balanone PP ... Practice safe eating...use condiments 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 23 Aug 93 19:12:20 Subject: Re: Wewelsberg Rec'd UpdReq On 19 Aug 93 16:29:06, concerning Wewelsberg, Albert Saperstein said to Setians ... AS> I don't know if any of you Setians can or will answer this question, AS> but it is my understanding that the "inaugural" ceremony of the Temple AS> of Set was held at Wewelsberg. I have also seen the "Wolf Rune" used AS> in connection with ToS. My question is, bluntly, are you Nazis? AS> That's a question, not an accusation. There are, shall we say, rumors, AS> and I THINK the Setians I've had discourse with seem pretty AS> interesting. I have a favorable impression of the group, speaking as AS> an outsider. I rate Nazis with houseflies and Zionists, myself, and I'd AS> like to know about this. The Wewelsburg Working was a single ritual event, held by an individual (albeit the High Priest), almost a *decade* after the founding of the Temple of Set. I had been a member of the Temple for more than five years by the time it took place, and the Wewelsburg Working had no effect on my membership, activity, or philosophy within the Temple of Set. The Temple of Set was founded in 1975 by Dr. Aquino, in California. I've seen no indication in any of the Temple historical discussions that he was out of the country at any time during that period. The Wewelsburg Working took place in the mid-80's. Some of the ideas of the Wewelsburg Working, such as its emphasis on the importance of Life, are worth study and exploration. While you might disagree with the location (a castle used by the Nazis), you should not therefore reject its principles (which are *not* Nazi) without finding out what they are. There are some Setians who are working with the ideas and principles revealed / emphasized by the Wewelsburg Working, but most of us treat it as just one of the many influences we take into account as we plot our course of Xeper. And again, there's nothing Nazi about the Working other than the transient use of the site by those men you rate with houseflies. Wolf rune? Maybe someone somewhere uses it, but I don't even know what it is. It's certainly not a major symbol within the Temple of Set. Balanone PP ... All in favor of telekinesis, raise my hands. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Balanone 24 Aug 93 19:08:02 Subject: Re: Wewelsberg Sent UpdReq Thank you for the clarification. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718