From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 15 Aug 92 07:53:00 Subject: Re: Looking for truth Rec'd UpdReq CN> I have never been allowed to even BEGIN to debate on a CN> xtian BBS, so that just proves that we're more openminded than your CN> kind is. Me either. Sounds like their SCARED of something. }:D CN> Once again, impressionable young people read these posts, and they CN> see clearly the futility and destructiveness of your death CN> religion.... Yes, they cannot help but be part of the _Master Plan_. Not so much as a finger need be lifted. (standing by with my killing jar, block of styrofoam and box of pins) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Star*fire 15 Aug 92 07:57:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq St> Just you haunting this echo along with Pale Rider says your really St> not St> satisfied with your religon and it sound like you find Satanism, St> Setianism St> exciting. *scream mode -ON* PULL IT OUT DEEPER! GET AWAY CLOSER! ITS NOT TRUE, I TELL YOU! *scream mode -off* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Star*fire 15 Aug 92 08:14:00 Subject: Re: SATAN???? UpdReq St> PR> But, the biggest reason that he is so hostile to those in St> Satanism St> PR> and the Occult is because he has been a victim of self-styled St> PR> Satanists. He has been physically hurt by them a few years past. I wouldnt put much credence into this story. We invited him and his friend to meet with a group of us Setians and he always no-showed. I have requested to have copies of the police report brought with them or mailed to me....again, anly stonewalling. Even if Pale does believe it, this guy has been given many chances. I dont think he is shooting straight with us. We have met with Pale several times. I think Pale does believe his story (and a lot of others.....) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 15 Aug 92 08:15:00 Subject: Re: Fools and Their Supporters UpdReq AI> I posted a similiar message to everyone, and I haven't recieved a AI> single response yet...By this action I assume no one cares whether AI> or not the base theme deteriorates.... I think a reasoned debate on a theme like Biblical error would be instructive for others who might find themselves in a corner and in need of ammo. But then, I like that sort of thing (as you know). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Base of Set To: Templeton Hyde 15 Aug 92 12:57:00 Subject: Re: Setianism / Chaoism? UpdReq TH> But Setians do, or should, accept the notion of there being an actual TH> entity who responds to the name "SET"... right? As I gathered from TH> Diane Vera's column posted here some weeks ago, it is not required of TH> lower-rank members of the Temple of Set to actually believe in a TH> personified version of Set; this is, however, required for the TH> priesthood. Am i correct in my assumptions so far? That's correct. It is in no way required for any Setian of the first two degrees to accept Set as an actual entity. It is believed that Set "touchs" certian II*s for promotion to III*, that is why it is required to believe in Set for the III* and up. I have experienced at least one working where I felt Sets presense very strongly in the chamber, and had a number of enlightening things happen, so on a personal basis, I do believe he exists. TH> That's also a definition of the "Left-Hand Path", right? I see my own TH> version of Magic(k) in the same way. Not "temporary power", but to TH> improve my _self_. Or _selves_? Who wants power if its not going to last forever? :-) TH> Would not SELVES be more appropriate...? Of course, this may just be TH> playing with fancy words now, but i consider it important to TH> play/work with my multiple selves, or aspects of my Self (as one TH> could also put it). Any Comments? What's the Temple of Set's view on TH> Chaos Magic, btw? In a discussion on a text from Pete Carroll, TH> Balanone said that some Setian views agree with the Chaoist TH> principles. Would you agree, and to what extent? I still see it as Self, just with a variety of interests. The Temple has no offical statement or policy regarding Chaos magick. Each initiate is welcome to study whatever they feel will further their Xeper. I was studying Chaos before joining the Temple, and still am for the most part. -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Base of Set To: All 15 Aug 92 13:34:00 Subject: The moderator speaks... UpdReq Ok ok ok. I see everyone is fed up with the Christian drivel that keeps getting posted in here. It's pretty funny since it's coming from my BBS... It sucks living in the Bible Belt.. :-) ========== The "Offical" Rules for the Base of Set Echo : This echo is for the discussion of anything related to the Left-Hand Path/Darker side of Magick. Satanism, Setianism, Chaos, LeVayism, O.T.S., Radio Werewolf, Temple of the Vampyre, H.P. Lovecraft, etc. Specific topic area is The Temple of Set. Everyone is allowed access to this echo. However, messages must remain on topic. Christians ar quite welcome here if they wish to discuss LHP, but I WILL NOT stand for any Christian "brainwashing" crap in here. We don't care to hear it. Profanity is allowed, though I don't see what purpose it has. =========== Beernut was kicked off my system. Jeff McCord has been asked to leave, as has The Conquerer. Pale Rider has been given a warning to cease his Christian topics in this area. Anyone have any comments? -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Astral Invader Area: Base of Set To: Frc 15 Aug 92 13:46:00 Subject: Re: Fools and Their Supporters UpdReq Fr> I think a reasoned debate on a theme like Biblical error would be Fr> instructive for others who might find themselves in a corner and Fr> in need of ammo. Fr> Fr> But then, I like that sort of thing (as you know). I just don't want to see the base taken over by conversation concerning Biblical topics....Even though it already has been.... But I'm just bitching....I tend to do that, and will probably continue.... /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Templeton Hyde 15 Aug 92 18:18:00 Subject: Re: homosexuality... Any Comments? UpdReq In a message to Pale Rider <08-04-92 12:15> Templeton Hyde wrote: TH> > "If a man lies with a man as one lies with TH> > a woman, both of them have done what is TH> > detestable. They must be put to death; their TH> > blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13) TH> TH> so God is in favor of the death penalty for homosexuality? well, it's TH> what the book says... so you gotta believe it or go to hell, if Dear Templeton Hyde, I thought you were one of the intelligent ones in here...... or were you the one from CoS (BoS)......... Anyone that knows anything about the Bible and Bible history knows that the above is a levitical law that was carried out by the governing body. If the US government wanted to reinstate the above law, then that would be fine. However, the levitical laws for the most part, still show what is detestable in the eyes of God (YHWH). But, I really don't wish to get into a Bible discussion here.... Nice talking to you..... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Star*fire 15 Aug 92 18:23:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Dear Star*fire, Thanks for your telephone number. I am glad that you trust me enough to give it to me. However, I don't really think I can afford the LD charges. Do you think that you could give me your mailing address? I would like to correspond with you outside of this echo....... I have a few more questions to ask you, and I don't want you to feel pressured in this echo.. I am going to cut down on my message writing in here, anyway.... TTYL..... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Star*fire 15 Aug 92 18:26:00 Subject: Re: SATAN???? UpdReq St> to summon the strength to overcome what has been put on him. It will St> take time and support. Understandable and If I wrote the message St> with St> any cruel remarks I take them back. Not fully understanding his m.o. I am very glad that you understand. However, I don't agree with his actions in here, and I have told him that. If he gets his access cut, I will have no problems with it either...... Nice talking to you....... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star*fire Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 14 Aug 92 11:18:26 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Jeff Mccord to Star*fire <=- St> Why so defensive Jeff? And where did Jesus say that homosexuals St> wouldn't St> go to heaven. I'm GAY and proud of it. JM> JM> Romans 6:9 -"Do you know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom JM> of God? Do not be DECEIVED: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters JM> nor adulters, nor male prostitues, nor HOMOSEXUAL offenders nor theives JM> nor drunkards willl inherit the kingdom of God." JM> JM> There is where the Bible says that. Yeah, I forgot, my mother , who is a born again christian quotes that verse to me often. I live in her house too. Did I ever tell you I was once a Christian, just like you but found it hypocritical, (sp) malicious, and cliquish (Ifit into every clique) oh yes unforgiving. Let me tell you something, When a xtian, I went up for prayer to be cleansed of the "sin" of homosexuality, before I never admited to such, and I was immediately an out cast. Shunned by the men, the women were fine about it but my male friends. Oh well I saw the light(the noctunal light that is) St> JOIN US, JOIN US, JOIN US! JM> No thank you! No thank you! No thank you! JM> JM> I am curious - since you admitt so much and aren't ashamed, JM> why do you use an alias? Because its fun but I you want to know my real name, Ken Anderson, PO Box 1581 East Hampton,(50% gay) New York 11937 516-329-3826 Star*fire aka Ken Anderson 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ken Anderson Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 14 Aug 92 11:30:50 Subject: Re: satan Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Jeff Mccord to Star*fire <=- St> Ah Pale, I see you're still at it. Shame that you haven't seen the St> light as of yet. I thought you were only on this echo to "study JM> The light????? ha! St> Make it easy on yourself, JOIN US. Stop defending a dying religon. JM> What do you mean by JOIN US? Join your homosexual "club" or join JM> Satanism? JM> You guys really want and desire the fruit of your flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of Life. You who call your selves Christians, and quit boisterously so, don't know the meaning of the deep spiritual life that Christ meant. You who point fingers and throw stones though you are yet full of sin, have a lot to learn. Join Us means, open your eyes, accept people for who and what they are without condemantion. Read C.S Lewis, Stott, Even my mother's favorite Chuck Swindol and Billy Grahm. We are not your enemies, we do not ( I don't anyway) condemn you for your beliefs yet you point the finger at mine. What right (even as a Xtian I could never figure this one out) do you have to tell others how to live just because you disapprove of them and think you're doing the Lord's "work". like abortion, did you not know you are committing the very thing you shun by taking away a freedom of A God given choice byt telling someone it's wrong. When in fact God wants them to find out for themselves for their own spiritual growth. No don't don't join a homosexual "club" if it's no right for you, just stop pointing the finger. Star*fire aka Ken Anderson ... Do what you will shall be the whole of the Law, love is the law 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 13 Aug 92 18:04:52 Subject: Re: Looking for truth Sent UpdReq -=> Astral Invader sent a message to Jeff Mccord on 09 Aug 92 15:13:00 <=- -=> Re: Looking for truth <=- AI> By the mere action of your preaching you exhibit the same hostility, AI> only in a different, less direct method. In fact I think I could AI> tolerate Beernut over an extended time period more than I could AI> you....At least he was able to confront his close minded nature and AI> unleash it freely....He KNEW he was an asshole....Some people are AI> still in denial.... Oscar Wilde liked to point out that Nero used to dip Xians in tallow and light them as candles. It was, he said, the only light they've been known to shed. };-) ... A religion is a heresy with an adequate army. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Nrrys 13 Aug 92 18:07:00 Subject: Re: This echo... Sent UpdReq -=> Nrrys sent a message to All on 09 Aug 92 14:33:00 <=- -=> This echo... <=- N> Well, of the 52 new messages I have just read in this area, N> all of 8 are NOT to or from xtians! How disappointing... Personally, I think preaching in this echo, or any non-Xian echo, should be considered an offense worthy of banishment. But then, I'm not the moderator, only a poor schmuck with a long distance bill. ... The Xians To The Lions! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 13 Aug 92 18:10:38 Subject: Re: This echo Sent UpdReq -=> Astral Invader sent a message to All on 12 Aug 92 16:29:00 <=- -=> This echo <=- AI> In order to return this echo to it's original intellectual and AI> enjoyable atmosphere, how many people would be willing to discontinue AI> their arguments with the christian infestation here?.... So mote it be. ... End of sermon. Let the orgy begin. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Base of Set To: Star*fire 16 Aug 92 12:27:44 Subject: I'm Back Sent UpdReq Good to see ya, Star*fire! Glad to have you back with us! ;) Once again, a wave of sheer terror will be unleashed as Star*fire runs screaming through the Halls of Setianism yelling, "Bitch! That was _MY_ pair of boxers you took!!!" <> ;) Great to see ya back. :) Pax. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star*fire Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 16 Aug 92 10:56:62 Subject: Re: Fools and Their Supporters Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Astral Invader to Lewis Cypher <=- LC> He won't go away, as long as you keep playing his sucker game, and LC> your sub LC> has now become a christian conversation sub. AI> AI> I posted a similiar message to everyone, and I haven't recieved a AI> single response yet...By this action I assume no one cares whether or AI> not the base theme deteriorates.... AI> That, to put it bluntly, pisses me off.... AI> AI> /Astral/ AI> Why let the xtian's get to you. True they can be annoying but by wanting them off you still play their game. Meaning, You give them the impression that they scare you and that gives them the thrill that that they're doing the right thing and they're using the "power" of Jesus or the "Holy Spirit" is convicting. Don't worry, the base theme will not deteriorate as long as we stick the theme and not fall for any petty discussions. We're all here to (well I am) to learn from each other's expeirences and talk with those of a like mind. Pale at least has intelligent discussions but the other one is one of those "immature" point the finger, holier than thou and should be warned. The funny thing is, they come prancing into our territory but ever try to get on theirs. 93 93/93 Star*fire 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star*fire Area: Base of Set To: Frc 16 Aug 92 11:07:38 Subject: Re: SATAN???? Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Frc to Star*fire <=- St> PR> But, the biggest reason that he is so hostile to those in St> Satanism St> PR> and the Occult is because he has been a victim of self-styled St> PR> Satanists. He has been physically hurt by them a few years past. F> F> I wouldnt put much credence into this story. We invited him and his F> friend to meet with a group of us Setians and he always no-showed. F> F> I have requested to have copies of the police report brought with them F> or mailed to me....again, anly stonewalling. Even if Pale does F> believe it, this guy has been given many chances. I dont think he is F> shooting straight with us. F> F> We have met with Pale several times. I think Pale does believe his F> story (and a lot of others.....) A lot of people to exagerate, and I thought about that this guy was really only trying to gain attention. I've seen that a lot. Satan must be really busy attacking this xitian or giving a stomache ache to that one or causing some other to have a hang nail. If it is true then he wasn't victomized by satanists but by sadists Star*fire 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ishmar VanHolden Area: Base of Set To: All 16 Aug 92 17:23:00 Subject: Loons UpdReq Nothing else need be said. IS P.S. If it offends, destroy me with all your magic powers. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Lost Soul 16 Aug 92 17:07:62 Subject: Re: Yukio Mishima Sent UpdReq -=> Lost Soul sent a message to Vitriol on 14 Aug 92 08:34:08 <=- -=> Yukio Mishima <=- V> Shorthand for "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" and V> "Love is the law, love under will." LS> So, how do you derive a 93 from that? It's off-topic for this echo, actually (though not as off-topic as all that Xian vomit I keep having to pay to download). Do you get any other echo that might be more topical: Thelema, Pagan, Magick, etc.? ... The Xians To The Lions! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 16 Aug 92 17:10:16 Subject: Re: The moderator speaks... Sent UpdReq -=> The Sinistar sent a message to All on 15 Aug 92 13:34:00 <=- -=> The moderator speaks... <=- TS> Anyone have any comments? Yeah... Thanks!!! ... A religion is a heresy with an adequate army. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718