From: Triple Six Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 16 Apr 92 18:23:48 Subject: QUICKIE DEFINITIONS UpdReq In a message to Dirge <14 Apr 92 18:19> The Sinistar wrote: TS> I don't see it as something that should be defined as a 'Satanism TS> is' answer. We need more of a 'Satanism is not' answer. E.I. TS> Satanism isn't killing animals, spraypainting Satin Rules on TS> underpasses, or digging up graves cause it's cool. Amen, Brother! (Whoops! Wrong echo...) X&R! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jeff Mccord Area: Base of Set To: All 17 Apr 92 14:40:00 Subject: satan UpdReq I have one question, and I would like someone to answer this POLITELY since my intentions are not starting a "war" between Christian and Satanist or Set, or whatever... In the Bible, the Word of God, satan is defeated. Now, why do satanists insist on thinking that satan will win? He is already defeated by the blood of Jesus. DO you all have a bible that says the opposite? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Base of Set To: Triple Six 17 Apr 92 21:35:00 Subject: Re: QUICKIE DEFINITIONS UpdReq TS> Amen, Brother! TS> (Whoops! Wrong echo...) Do you believe?... :-) -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Azrael Area: Base of Set To: Phule 18 Apr 92 00:04:00 Subject: Re: ENLIGHTENMENT UpdReq I realized what you meant, it was undoubtedly a failed attempt at a joke. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 18 Apr 92 08:54:04 Subject: satan Sent UpdReq JM>I have one question, and I would like someone to answer this POLITELY since JM>my intentions are not starting a "war" between Christian JM>and Satanist or Set, or whatever... JM> In the Bible, the Word of God, satan is defeated. Now, JM>why do satanists insist on thinking that satan will win? JM>He is already defeated by the blood of Jesus. DO you all JM>have a bible that says the opposite? Sure, most bibles see it that way. (Satanic Bible, Marriage of Heaven & Hell, Book of the Law, Gargantua & Pantagruel, Satan in te Suburbs, The Focus of Life, many others.) Need copies of any? * SLMR 2.1a * Hello, I am part number ||X||||X||X||X|| 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 18 Apr 92 11:03:54 Subject: satan Sent UpdReq JM> I have one question, and I would like someone to JM> answer this POLITELY since JM> my intentions are not starting a "war" between JM> Christian and Satanist or Set, or whatever... JM> In the Bible, the Word of God, satan is JM> defeated. Now, why do satanists insist on JM> thinking that satan will win? He is already JM> defeated by the blood of Jesus. DO you all have JM> a bible that says the opposite? One must begin with the understanding that the bible is a book of judeo-xtian mythology concocted several thousand years ago by unknown members of a superstitious nomadic desert tribe, and updated self-servingly by the self-appointed heirs of that mythology (e.g., the catholic church) who benefitted from continuing its rigid system of intimidation and mind control. It is the cult of all cults. Any opinion to the contrary (e.g., that the bible is the true word of "god") is unsupported by any fact whatsoever. These being the facts of the matter, why would one care about having another book that says the opposite? One mythology against another mythology is of no significance whatsoever. Every man and woman is a Star. We are our own actual or potential gods/goddesses. No one and nothing else is going to do It (whatever that may be) for you! Of course, that is only my opinion as well, and therefore just as valid as the bible.... ];-) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Azrael 18 Apr 92 12:48:00 Subject: Re: left-hand? Sent UpdReq On April 14, you wrote to Lady Byron "Re: left-hand?": . A > I was a little put out when I first started posting here. It seemed that people were arrogant and standoffish. After further study into satanism and ToS I now have a better understanding of why there is this appearance. With a belief based on individuality and self where is the profit (to one's self) in sharing. What is to be gained...this is where I believe that I differ. I feel to truly understand one's own beliefs you must discuss them otherwise you are limiting yourself to your experances only, thereby limiting growth. .I think you misunderstand somewhat. There *is* profit (to one's self) in sharing, for exactly the reason you mentioned. All of us who post on this echo *are* into sharing knowledge and ideas with each other; that's why we're here. However, most of us are interested only in *mutually beneficial* sharing. Most of us are interested in sharing only with people whose feedback can in turn help *us*. We don't rush to share merely for the sake of sharing. Also, unlike Christians, we aren't trying to make converts (though some of us, like myself, are interested in dispelling popular misconceptions about Satanism, with the aim of making life safer and easier for ourselves). Because Satanists, Setians, and most other occultists aren't into sharing *for its own sake* and aren't trying to make converts, most of us aren't nearly as "friendly" to strangers as hard-core Christians are. .(Note: I sometimes like to turn the tables a bit by referring to Christians as either "hard-core" or "self-styled".) . A > Another point that I'm not sure I agree with is that self is above universe and that seeking out oneness with the universe is not sought out. I believe that this holds true for the known universe...however, I feel it is hard to believe that in a universe as vast as it is to assume that we are the best and brightest is a little presumptuious. .I'm not into "seeking out oneness with the universe", but I agree with you that "in a universe as vast as it is, to assume that we are the best and brightest is a little presumptuous". (I'm not a Setian.) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Azrael 18 Apr 92 12:49:44 Subject: Re: What is Satanism? Sent UpdReq On April 14, you replied to my April 7 message to you, "What is Satanism?": . A > I am presently reading _Temple Magic_ by William Grey I have just started reading about occult thought. I find that grey states princples in a basic enough manner that I can follow his thought pattern. .I haven't read William Grey's books. Thanks for mentioning them. . A > many of the books I saw assume that you have at least a basic understanding of the occult (which I have not as yet attained). I would be interested in any suggestions you might have. .For an easy-to-read introduction to some basic occult principles, I repeat Dirge's recommendation that you read THE SATANIC BIBLE by Anton LaVey (though I'm not in 100% agreement with everything LaVey says, and probably most Satanists aren't either; hence the title "Satanic Bible" is misleading). .Then, to gain a deeper understanding of Satanic thought, you need to realize that modern Satanism was heavily influenced by Aleister Crowley. But to understand Crowley, you first need to become familiar with Golden Dawn-style ceremonial magic (which certainly isn't Satanism, and is often hostile to Satanism; but the various different strands of the Western occult tradition *are* heavily intertwined, whether they like it or not). .The best basic introduction to Golden Dawn ceremonial magic (CM) I've seen was not in a book on CM itself, but in a book on Wicca: WHAT WITCHES DO by Stewart Farrar. After you read WHAT WITCHES DO, it will then be easier to understand the two introductory books I recommend on CM, namely THE TREE OF LIFE by Israel Regardie and MODERN MAGICK by Donald Michael Craig. (By the way, Wicca is *not* a genuinely ancient religion, as is erroneously claimed by Stewart Farrar. After reading Farrar, you might want to get a more scholarly scoop on Wicca by reading CRAFTING THE ART OF MAGIC by Aidan Kelly.) .I would also suggest that you go through the Temple of Set reading lists (which can be downloaded from Purgatory) and pick out the books marked "TS-1". These are introductory books. .By the way, Dirge recommended that you read the Ordo Templi Satanis document "What Is Satanism?". Do *not* take that document as a definition of Satanism in general, but only of the philosophy of the OTS (which is a lot like Anton LaVey's philosophy). In particular, please realize that the OTS's *political* goals are *not* shared by all Satanists; and I, for one, have some strong disagreements with them. (If the political issues interest you, you might want to follow my debate with Dirge.) .For some more about my own concept of Satanism, see the messages I'll be posting to Nrrys and Lady Byron, below, on "What is Satanism?". 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Nrrys 18 Apr 92 12:51:32 Subject: What is Satanism? Sent UpdReq On April 12, you responded to my April 7 message to Azrael, "What is Satanism?": . DV > Deities exist only in the minds of people who believe in them; but they nevertheless are manifestations of real power. . N > Hmm... I thought that Setians believe in the literal existance of Set? .I'm not a Setian. . N > A lot (most?) of the magickal energy that the Christians have pumped into their two gods seems to be anti-life and anti-intellectual. Satan doesn't just seem to embody what the Christians consider evil. He is a twisted, perverted caracture of what it means to be a free-thinking human. You may not know that Discordians use him sometimes, but find his usefulness limited. Great for helping someone break away from christianity, or to mess with some christians you REALLY don't like, or to add a little spice to a curse in general. NOT good for knowing your own TRUE WILL, healing, etc. .Satan anti-intellectual??? Satan anti-life??????? .In order to work well with the god-form of Satan, one must do a certain amount of reclaiming/re-interpretation. (It helps to read books like Jules Michelet's SATANISM AND WITCHCRAFT, or Bernard Shaw's THE DEVIL'S DISCIPLE, or Milton's PARADISE LOST.) Satan's attributes of pride, strength, and independent thought must be seen as positive rather than negative. .However, as you indirectly point out, the god-form of Satan *cannot* be completely prettified, unlike a lot of non-Christian deities -- whose images are are much more malleable, because they are NOT native to our present-day culture. But to my way of thinking, this makes Satan a uniquely powerful and important god- form. The Christian image of Satan represents Christianity's fears of both life and intellect. Satan, as re-interpreted by most Satanists, is certainly not anti-intellectual or anti-life, yet still does represent some aspects of both life and intellect that are inherently scary. Working with Satan requires one to acknowledge and face down one's fears. .Symbolically speaking, Satan is both "rebel" and "lord of this world". Satan represents both our individual Will *and* various realities (some of them pleasant, some of them unpleasant), which we must deal with in order to carry out our Will. Working with Satan requires one to face aspects of oneself, and some aspects of life in general, that one might otherwise prefer to ignore. Thus, Satan *can be* good for emotional healing on a deep level, not a superficial feel-good level. .Also, let me point out that some neo-Pagan god-forms draw much of their power from the god-form of Satan, though this usually isn't acknowledged. (When creating a new god-form, or giving new life to an old one, it helps to draw energy from an already-powerful deity.) For example, if Wiccans really wanted to, they could use more respectable-sounding words than "witch", "coven", and "sabbat". That constellation of terminology is used precisely *because* it's associated with accusations against alleged Satanists. Wicca doesn't venerate Satan, but it sure does use Satanic words of power. (As Wicca becomes more and more of an established religion in its own right, it will have less need for those Satanic words of power, and will tend to drop them. This is already starting to happen.) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 18 Apr 92 12:54:08 Subject: What is Satanism? (1 of 2) Sent UpdReq On April 13, you responded to Nrrys's April 12 message to me, "What is Satanism?": . DV > Therefore, the most powerful magic(k)al deity in our culture is Satan. . LB > I have a different view than Diane's. I think that the most powerful magick is Setanic or Satanic because it comes from US rather than any "second source" diety. .I don't think we have quite as much of a disagreement here as it appears. As I said to Azrael on April 7, I believe that deities are thought-forms, and thought-forms exist primarily in our heads. Therefore, the magick does come primarily from *us*, though we may also connect with larger energies. Deities are (among other things) a ready-made way of tapping and focussing our own magic(k)al energies. . N > Great for helping someone break away from christianity, or to mess with some christians you REALLY don't like, or to add a little spice to a curse in general. NOT good for knowing your own TRUE WILL, healing, etc. . LB > I agree with you, here, Nrrys. To Setians, Satan is seen as a combination of Set and Har-Wer. He was useful only during the Age of Satan (1966-1976, I believe) to prepare us for the Aeon of Set. You may find a study of this transition most interesting. .Here you and I do have a major disagreement. To me, Setianism is only the latest in a series of new religions that Satanism has given birth to, or helped give birth to. Other such religions include Thelema, Wicca, and feminist Goddess religion. (Let's not argue over whether Thelema is a "religion"; Thelema is an eclectic, nonexclusive religious outlook that can overlap with lots of other religions.) To me, none of these new religions makes Satanism obsolete; they merely mean that Satanism has a tendency to give birth to new religions. Perhaps ToS has made *LaVey* Satanism obsolete; but Satanism pre-dated LaVey, and will probably continue to develop in new, as-yet unheard-of directions. As I see it, Satan/Lucifer is the (often-unacknowledged) source of much of the inspiration of today's various modern magic(k)al religions. Satan is a force promoting individuality and diversity, including religious diversity. .(continued next message) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 18 Apr 92 12:55:48 Subject: What is Satanism? (2 of 2) Sent UpdReq (part 2 of 2) .Satanism tends naturally to give birth to new religions, for two reasons: .(1) Satanists are in the paradoxical position of relating to a mythological figure from a system (i.e. Christianity) which we fundamentally reject. Hence, there's a tendency for Satanists to want to see Satan as representing something larger, older, and generally more significant than Christianity. One way of doing this is to connect Satan with some pre-Christian deity (or a modern-day composite of pre-Christian deities, e.g. the Wiccan Horned God) by seeing Satan as a Christianized "corruption" of that older deity. But as soon as one does this, one changes the nature of the energies one is relating to, and thereby creates a new religion. The new deity is, as the new religion's adherents soon realize, actually very different from Satan; yet the new religion still does make conspicuous use of Satanic energy as well as the energy of its new deity(ies). (See the last paragraph of my message to Nrrys, above.) .(2) It's hard to create a new religion out of thin air. It must appeal to religious feelings that people already have (or a reaction against said religious feelings); it must draw on the power of god- forms that people are already relating to. In a Protestant Christian society, which doesn't even venerate the Catholic saints, this doesn't leave very many choices. It's difficult if not impossible to create a new and powerful god-form without drawing on either the Christian God or the Christian Satan, or both. (The Wiccan Horned God draws on both; the Wiccan Horned God has a lot in common with both Christ and Satan.) And, since the Christian God is anti-magic(k)al, a new *magic(k)al* deity almost has to draw on Satan. Hence all the parallels to Satanism even in feminist Goddess religion, which, despite the absence of a male deity, borrows even more themes from Satanism (or at least from 19th-century literary Satanism) than Wicca does. .As for me, I'm glad all these new religions exist. Satanists can, in turn, learn a lot from the various different religions that Satanism has spawned. (Satanism has already been strongly influenced by Thelema, as well as vice versa.) But they don't render Satanism obsolete, any more than Christianity rendered Judaism obsolete, despite its claim to do so. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Dirge 18 Apr 92 12:57:40 Subject: RIGHT WINGERS Sent UpdReq You seem to be having technical problems. On April 14, you wrote me a message titled "RIGHT WINGERS", of which the following was all that came through: . D > Quoting Diane Vera to Dirge (04-12-92): --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Tower of BABALON Lansing, Michigan (517) 487-9393 (1:159/700) .I called HaditNet as well as BaphoNet, and found the same messed-up message on HaditNet. .Also, did you see my April 12 messages to you, "SEXUALITY" and "QUICKIE DEFINITIONS"? If you replied to them, your replies did not come through at all. .In the meantime, please see the following two-part message, "Satanism and politics", for a statement of some of my disagreements with the Ordo Templi Satanis documents. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Dirge 18 Apr 92 13:00:48 Subject: Satanism and politics (1 of 2) Sent UpdReq I disagree with one of the Ordo Templi Satanis's most basic premises: that American society is a meritocracy, or would be if only the economy were more laissez-faire. First of all, most wealth is inherited, not earned. There is *some* upward mobility, but the most upwardly-mobile people tend *NOT* to be the most productive or creative. (In most businesses, the people who make the most money are those who specialize in the "business" end of the business -- sales and finance -- *not* the productive or creative end. Engineers, technicians, and computer programmers tend not to make loads and loads of money. People who make loads and loads of money are, usually, those who single-mindedly devote their lives to making money, which is just too narrow a focus to hold the interest of the most intelligent and creative people.) .I am neither a socialist nor a laissez-faire capitalist. It seems to me that the best possible economic system would be some sort of mixed economy, like they have in most Western European countries -- which are among the most prosperous economies on Earth and therefore, it seems to me, worth learning from. (Of course, a "mixed economy" would have to be the RIGHT mixture, and I don't profess to know exactly what that is. I don't know, for example, just what it is that Great Britain has been doing wrong that the other countries of Western Europe have been doing right.) .I don't think there is such a thing as a political agenda which is "Satanic" in and of itself. I think it is "Satanic" to support *WHATEVER* political agenda one believes is in one's own best interests. .I do not believe that the wealthy are in any sense the world's most worthwhile people; nor do I expect to become a millionnaire myself. Therefore, it's not in my interests to support a political agenda which would give the wealthy even more power over the rest of us than they already have. It also does not seem to me that most Satanists are millionnaires, or are likely to become millionnaires. I therefore don't think the OTS agenda is in the best interests of most Satanists, either. .(continued next message) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Dirge 18 Apr 92 13:02:12 Subject: Satanism and politics (2 of 2) Sent UpdReq (part 2 of 2) .By the way, I also don't think Satanism is the best possible religion for someone whose main goal in life is to make lots of money. If one is going to choose a religion for financial reasons, one's best bet would be to join an upper-middle-class Protestant Church: great place to make business connections. Satanism is a worthwhile religion for creative, imaginative, intellectual types, for whom it gratifies the desire for "other-worldly" experience while at the same time reminding us to keep our feet on the ground. Yes, to be consistent with most forms of Satanism, one must try to improve one's material life, which generally means making money; but a desire to make money is *not* the main reason why people are drawn to Satanism. Satanism's emphasis on material success is a valuable *counter-balance* to the "other-worldliness" which is, in fact, the main attraction. (Right-hand-path mysticism gratifies these same "other-worldly" desires in a self-diminishing way, allowing or even encouraging people to neglect their material well- being.) .Because material success, though one of Satanism's central concerns, actually plays second fiddle to Satanism's "other-worldly" side, I reject LaVey's concept of "de facto Satanists", which to me seems like a rather silly attempt to make Satanism look respectable by equating it with the American Dream. (If someone does not consider oneself to be a Satanist, then in my opinion that person is not a Satanist, de facto or otherwise, no matter how successful they are.) .I think the concept of "the Satanic Elite" can be valuable on a *personal* level, as a form of self-motivation. But as the basis for a *political* agenda, I think it sucks. .My own political concerns tend not to revolve around economics per se. My basic political outlook can be summed up as follows: .I want to live in a society that respects individuality and diversity. And, it seems to me, the best way to attain such a society is via mutually beneficial alliances amongst various unpopular minorities to defend their own and each other's rights. (An example is AMER, the Alliance of Magical and Earth Religions, of which Michael Aquino and his wife Lilith Sinclair are members.) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Markie Chao 11 Apr 92 00:08:22 Subject: Re: Christian Crime Sent UpdReq -=> Markie Chao sent a message to Vitriol on 05 Apr 92 09:37:15 <=- -=> Re: Christian Crime <=- V> Coz it's a BITCH to fish 'em outa the shitter, of course. MC> MC> Very eloquently put. Yeah, my biker side, I guess. You were expecting Sally Jessy Ratface? ... Ignis Elementum Purum Elementum Est 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 11 Apr 92 00:13:38 Subject: Re: Yuk Sent UpdReq -=> Lady Byron sent a message to Vitriol on 05 Apr 92 13:33:10 <=- -=> Yuk <=- PR> Wrong! I have a very low opinion of myself. I have very low PR> self-esteem. I am a nobody without God! V> Liber AL II:58 "...the slaves shall serve." LB> LB> Boy, is that disgusting or what? Why even bother to live? Well, at the risk of repeating myself... ... the slaves shall serve. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 11 Apr 92 00:18:12 Subject: Re: Christian Crime Sent UpdReq -=> Lady Byron sent a message to Vitriol on 05 Apr 92 13:34:44 <=- -=> Re: Miscarriages <=- LB> Was that necessary? Necessary, no. But sometimes a gratuitous act that deliberately delivers a slap to conventional politeness has a positive effect by its very shockingness. Vive St. Artaud! ... EXCEED! EXCEED! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Base of Set To: Pale Rider 11 Apr 92 15:15:08 Subject: Re: Christian Crime Sent UpdReq -=> Pale Rider sent a message to Jonathon on 10 Apr 92 09:06:00 <=- -=> Re: Christian Crime <=- PR> [...] besides he was born in Enid, Oklahoma. I don't think that Jesus PR> would come back by being born in Enid. ROFL! Hey Pale, yer alright when yer not on yer high horse.. (Or is that pale horse?) ... In Daytime and in Dreams Magic and Miracles are Mine 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 18 Apr 92 11:40:42 Subject: satan UpdReq Speaking as one who is neither christian or satanist... What the bible says is what men have written there. It has nothing to do with any godform I believe in. This battle between `good and evil' was made up by the inquisitors to control the masses, and most of the satanists I know don't believe in an actual entity of satan. It is difficult, I realize, to deprogram yourself from a lifetime of accepted dogma shoved down your throat by society at large, especially if people close to you really believe all this superstitious rot. But it is liberating to finally realize that none of it is real unless you make it so for yourself. We make our own gods. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 18 Apr 92 11:44:58 Subject: Re: QUICKIE DEFINITIONS UpdReq TS> Do you believe?... Depends on what. ;) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Base of Set To: Azrael 16 Apr 92 12:14:12 Subject: Setian Philosophy UpdReq A> First let me state "nice job"...It appears that you have a firm grasp A> of your beliefs. I was a little put out when I Thank you. My beliefs, however, are always changing. If I weren't willing to learn, grow and change, I wouldn't be practicing the Temple's (and my) most important concept - Xeper (pronounced "Kheffer"). Xeper is an Egyptian word meaning, basically, to grow and to Become all that you can be, always bettering yourself in all ways. A> of your beliefs. I was a little put out when I A> first started posting here. It seemed that people A> were arrogant and standoffish. After further study Yes, Setians and Satanists are rather arrogant -- and it is unfortunate that society teaches us that this is "evil!" We are arrogant because we recognize our own worth, and we don't feel it is necessary or even desirable to be humble after we have worked so hard to be who we are. A> I feel to truly understand one's own beliefs you A> must discuss them otherwise you are limiting A> yourself to your experances only, thereby limiting A> growth. Another point that I 'm not sure I agree I completely agree. That is why we have BBS's like this one and why the ToS has such an outrageous correspondence rate! A> growth. Another point that I 'm not sure I agree A> with is that self is above universe and that A> seeking out oneness with the universe is not sought A> out. I believe that this holds true for the known A> universe...however, I feel it is hard to believe A> that in a universe as vast as it is to assume that A> we are the best and brightest is a little A> presumptuious. Maybe it would help to examine why exactly you think you are NOT "above" the universe? What do you mean by "above?" What do you think Setians mean by that statement? True, oneness and blending with the universal consciousness is not sought. I, for one, find it rather undesirable, to say the least. If interested, I will tell you more in another missive as to why. Please ask other Setians how they feel about this, and why. By no means do I consider myself the brightest and best in the universe, but I do believe the human race is by far more advanced than other animals. There may be other human races, as well, for all we know. Lady Byron 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Base of Set To: Azrael 16 Apr 92 12:27:30 Subject: Re: left-hand? UpdReq A> I am very interested in learning more, I went to A> a local bookstore and tried to find some books on A> Set. I could only find histoical information...I (Oops -- my last message got cut off somehow!) Continuing ... It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to find books on Set. There is nearly nothing left in the way of historical information because during the reign of the Osirian cults, all of Set's statues, books and his priesthood were practically obliterated. Really, the only way to get basic information on the new priesthood of Set (ToS) is to write to the Temple directly. You will receive the Temple's informational letter. Hope all that helps! Lady Byron 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Base of Set To: Azrael 16 Apr 92 12:31:42 Subject: Blood-sucking? UpdReq A> I have a story along that line...I was talking A> an individual that I felt was open-minded. I told A> him that I was checking out satanism...he then went A> into a 30 minute speech and promptly informed me A> that all satanists are blood sucking, child A> eaters...this from someone who has never even talked A> to a satanist. Needless to say I no longer A> consider him open-minded. Does this happen often? Yes, unfortunately. A common problem amongst the white-lighters! (Actually, there are those in the Order of the Vampyre ... ) Lady Byron :)= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 17 Apr 92 16:02:36 Subject: Mail UpdReq Thanks! Another one's coming your way ... Lady Byron :)= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Puck Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 17 Apr 92 15:32:10 Subject: Set... UpdReq Just a quick question -- are we talking about Set as a so-called 'god of evil', or the way he seemed to be worshipped - that of the personification of the encroaching desert to the Nile? I've been curious about that, as I had thought Setianism had been an off-shoot of Satanism, a la LeVeys' Church. Bright Blessings! Puck 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 18 Apr 92 22:25:58 Subject: satan Sent UpdReq Reductio Ad Absurdum: By Frater Almost Christ taught: "Love thy enemies." Christs enemy was Satan. Ergo, Christ "Loved" Satan. Satanists Love Satan. Chrisitians hate Satan. Christ said that all who would do as he taught would go to heaven. Christ said that all who didn't do as he taught were going to hell. Since Satanists Love the "Enemy" as Christ taught, they will go to Heaven and all Christians will go to Hell. Pax. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718