From: Frater Almost Area: Base of Set To: Vitriol 5 Apr 92 01:17:38 Subject: Re: left-hand? Sent UpdReq 93!.... Not preachy..... Just very... strange. Further, as topp the "Xians to the Lions".... That post was in Oasis I believe. Please keep it there. I was merely trying to make some points. How are things with you as well? My last "promotion" did you say? Well, I did take Second Degree but tell me.... Do you know sopmething I don't know? :) Pax! 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Star Hawley Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 3 Apr 92 17:59:14 Subject: seconds... UpdReq LB> Why do I always have to take seconds? ;)= Tell you what, you find a sugar-daddy too and we'll just trade...;) ...Markie 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Frc 3 Apr 92 05:10:04 Subject: Re: Surprise! UpdReq * Reply to msg originally in NightSide--The Dark Side Of The Force (PodNet) On 01 Apr 92 06:54:00, Frc posted a message to Balanone concerning "Re: Surprise!"... Ba> LB> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BALANONE! Ba> LB> From, Ba> LB> Lady Byron F> F> And a very Happy Birthday from Frc! F> F> I assume this IS a celebration of the machine you currently inhabit? F> F> Other-wise (heh) I'm certain your true age must be an exponent of the F> previous! Thanks for the wishes. Yes, it's a celebration of the anniversary of the appearance of this physical form. However, through all of my studies the evidence seems to indicate that my true age is not much different. I've found no evidence to indicate this is not my first time around. Balanone PP ... People who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glasses. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Base of Set To: Vitriol 5 Apr 92 09:37:30 Subject: Re: Christian Crime Sent UpdReq F> And I've often wondered why there aren't funerals for miscarriages. V> Coz it's a BITCH to fish 'em outa the shitter, of course. Very eloquently put. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Base of Set To: Ammond Shadowcraft 5 Apr 92 10:19:20 Subject: Elitism, snottiness, and "oppression" Sent UpdReq On April 2, you replied to my March 29 message to you "Re: 'Breeders' and 'illusions of union with the Universe'": . AS > BTW, have you noticed the human response to oppression? Which is for the oppressed to oppress when they get in power? . DV > Do you actually believe that lesbians and gay men, as a group, are likely to "get in power" over heterosexuals as a group, and hence that the possibility of lesbians and gay men oppressing straights is a real issue? You seem excessively concerned with this ultra-remote possibility. . AS > This seems distinctly uncharacteristic of you Diane. ."Uncharacteristic"? In what way? . AS > Already in Gay and Lesiban culture straights are looked down upon for various reasons. The reverse oppression is happening now on a limited playing field. I've already mentioned the dislike of gays for breeders. I've also ran head to head with lesiban separatists who thought I was a pile of shit and let me (as a hetrosexual man) know so with their derision. It's a small start, but it's a start, don't your think?? .Yes, lesbians and gay men are sometimes snotty toward heterosexuals, just as occultists are sometimes snotty toward Christians. In both cases, I think the snottiness is often uncalled-for; but I would not call it oppression. Did the behavior of these lesbian separatists have any ill effects on your life, beyond being an annoyance? Was it part of any larger social pattern that is *likely to have* any serious ill effects on your life? It seems to me that by being unduly snotty toward heterosexuals, these lesbian separatists are harming themselves far more than they are harming you (which is *not* the case with heterosexual anti-gay bigotry, since the dominant culture is heterosexual). .I would also distinguish between elitism and snottiness. Many lesbians and gay men do feel superior to heterosexuals, just as most occultists feel superior to Christians; and, in both cases, I believe that some of the reasons for that feeling of superiority are justified, and some are not. But it is possible to feel superior without being obnoxious about it; and perhaps this is what a lot of lesbians and gay men need to learn. .Among occultists, I've noticed that the treatment of Christians is better here in BASE OF SET than in, say, the PAGAN echo, even though most Setians regard elitism as an essential part of Setian philosophy, whereas most neo-Pagans are ambivalent about their elitism. (But even Setians are sometimes snotty, and, as I've previously observed, Setian/Satanist snottiness has its own very distinct flavor -- distinct from, but not worse than, neo-Pagan snottiness -- and in neither case would I call it "oppression", though I do find it objectionable.) .On a related topic, did you see my March 30 message to you "Re: ToS and 'Nature'" (in response to your March 27 message to Balanone)? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Lady Byron 5 Apr 92 18:55:20 Subject: Boleskine Sent UpdReq MC> He couldn't get oput of taking me this time, you MC> can have him when I'm done with him. ;) LB> LB> Why do I always have to take seconds? ;)= LB> LB> Lady Byron Don't bicker, ladies. There's PLENTY for everyone! ];-))) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Base of Set To: Linda Beebe 4 Apr 92 13:06:10 Subject: Re: Satanism in General UpdReq LB>Nr> LB>YOU truly believe there is a burning tormented "hell"...? LB>Nr> Oh, he is a Fundamentalist, you know? He keeps us amused, kind of LB>Nr> like LB>Nr> a pet? :^) LB>I find such fear a sad thing...but I love your LB>"cartoonage", if that's a world...I'll have to remember LB>that for tongue in cheek references...grin Well, we still have hope for him... LB>Want to know a secret? grin.... LB>I don't even believe in a personified form of evil, but don't tell PR... LB>nor do I believe a personified form of "good" exists ether...more energy... LB>a force...but I'm wierd...grin. Ack!! A new-ager! Well, we'll try to "save" you! LB>Nr> May you never thirst! LB> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LB> I like this, reminds of LB>Stranger in a strange land...ever read it? Oh, I'm a sort of a member of the Church of All Worlds. Some people thought that the church as described in the book was kind of cool, and made it for real (but it has evolved quite a bit since then!). I guess you have never read _Drawing Down the Moon_ or any other Neo-Pagan books? You might want to check out that one for an "overview". LB>let's see, I favor Buddhism a lot...American Indian spirituality... Did you know that many Amerinds are kind of pissed at the new-agers ripping off their religious stuff? LB>I can almost tell you more of what I'm not into...I don't LB>like "parlor game phenomenia"...or anything that tends to LB>make people play with their spiritual fingers and toes... LB>I believe almost all spiritual experience has purpose, and LB>merit, yet some times people get "stuck" in the LB>phenomenias and don't want to advance...if you know what I LB>mean... There is hope for you, yet! LB>I do tend to lean towards the "light side of the force" LB>more that the "dark"...grin LB>but I believe both have their purpose... LB>I've just NEVER felt a "pull" towards anything one might consider LB>"dark"...but I'm learning some of it is the "same" by the LB>friendly and informative people on this board...(you know LB>who you are :) Maybe "aspects" of a greater one truth? LB>It's kind of like, awareness is awareness...regardless, and LB>it appears respect for truth has no dark or light side, in LB>a matter of speaking... You're getting closer! (IMHO) LB>another driving force has been this gut level, undefinable feeling about a LB>LIE...a huge, all incompassing LIE...and I've found it's LB>roots through my knowledge seeking...and it does exist... Now, this is interesting! Tell me about these roots that you have found? Thou art goddess! NRRYS ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Why can't life be like a beer commercial? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Base of Set To: Frc 4 Apr 92 13:09:12 Subject: Re: Green Egg letter (2 UpdReq FR>"Do not wallow in it like an animal in the warm mud; rather cut it as you FR>would a fine gem and behold the brilliance of its facets. FR>Experience it; savor its taste, sense its exquisite pain FR>and pleasure." FR>Dr. M. A. Aquino, _The Wewelsburg Working_ Thanks for the quote. Saved to permanent storage! May you never thirst! NRRYS ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Jimi Hendrix uses a Purple Hayes modem. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 4 Apr 92 13:13:14 Subject: Re: Green Egg letter (2 UpdReq DV>Actually, there are a few contexts in which Christians do tell us to DV>conform to an alleged "natural order" -- mainly when they want to DV>endorse either sexism or heterosexism. Homosexuality, female DV>leadership, and birth control are all supposedly bad because they're DV>supposedly "unnatural" as well as forbidden by scripture. However, DV>in nearly all other contexts, Christianity sees "Nature" as DV>something we're supposed to rise above rather than conform to. "Be DV>ye not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed ...." Thanks for the clarification! Actually, I try to ignore Christians and Christianity as much as possible. I was never into it, and find it much too confusing for a simpleton like me };^) May you never thirst! NRRYS ___ X SLMR 2.1a X A fool and his money soon party! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Base of Set To: Nosferat 4 Apr 92 13:20:16 Subject: Hail UpdReq NO>DO you belong to the Temple of Set? No, but maybe some day? NO>Did you say you belonged to the Church of All Worlds or NO>somthing? Yes. NO>What is this? People here are going to get pissed at me if I keep Proselytizing here };^) so I'll just refer you to _Drawing Down the Moon_ by Margo Adler, or _Green Egg_, a Neo-Pagan (?) magazine. Adler's book is a good "overview" book on Neo_Paganism, and contains a good section on Discordianism, too! Kallisti! NRRYS ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Unicorns must be believed to be seen! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Base of Set To: Frater Almost 4 Apr 92 13:54:18 Subject: Re: left-hand? UpdReq FA>Please understand that and, FYI, anything you FA>post here can be responded to in any way shape form or FA>fashion as long as the response doesn't break any Base of FA>Set policies. Please understand that. Pax. 93 Not to ask you, personally, but are there any rules here? Or a moderator? This echo seems delightfully anarcistic to me! May you never thirst! NRRYS ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Second thing we do, we kill all the Moderators! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Base of Set To: Markie Chao 4 Apr 92 15:39:00 Subject: Boleskine UpdReq MC> Sure you are! Think I'll go out and max your MC> credit cards to teach you a lesson... Hey, okay. You can BOTH take me next time. :)= Lady Byron 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718