From:    Gerald Del Campo                       Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Tony Iannotti                           4 Apr 92 20:56:42
Subject: Re: RPSTOVAL                           

In a message dated 03 Apr 92  09:09:00, Tony Iannotti wrote:
GDC>yet...I beleive that the key is in that grided page
GDC>however, and that the RPSTOVAL part is the secret.  I have
GDC>to keep trying different things with it until something
GDC>clicks  :)  Have you done any similar Work?
 TI>    I havre
Anything you could share with the rest of us?  Or would that fall under the 
"keep your interpretations to yourself" legislation?
93
... RPSTOVAL Oasis:  Badges?  We don't need no stinking badges!


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From:    Darrin Hyrup                           Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Gerald Del Campo                        5 Apr 92 01:12:42
Subject: Re: RPSTOVAL                           

In a message dated Sat  4 Apr 92 20:56, Gerald Del Campo wrote:
 > GDC>yet...I beleive that the key is in that grided page
 > GDC>however, and that the RPSTOVAL part is the secret.  I have
 > GDC>to keep trying different things with it until something
 > GDC>clicks  :)  Have you done any similar Work?
 > TI>    I havre
 GDC> Anything you could share with the rest of us?  Or would that fall
 GDC> under the "keep your interpretations to yourself" legislation?
Hehe, looks like Tony was having problems that day. :)  Got cut off 
mid-sentance.
93,
          Darrin


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From:    Rebis                                  Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Saracen                                 4 Apr 92 08:11:38
Subject: Re: "DO WHAT THOU WILT"                

I don't think we necessarily disagree, actually.  With respect to the 
four-foots, _choice_ is irrelevant.  When choice is irrelevant, exposure to 
radical ideas is also irrelevant.  The idea of true will does not apply to 
four-foots, as you say, because they are incapable of making a choice to 
transform themselves.  You or I can say things like "I shall become God" or 
"I shall reunite myself with my forgotten true identity", these ideas are 
simply meaningless to four-foots, as you say, whose concept of self-identity 
is never at question.  The Law of Thelema is only for those who have wondered 
who they really are, for those who are unsatisfied with apparent reality.

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From:    Rebis                                  Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Gerald Del Campo                        4 Apr 92 08:18:24
Subject: Re: "DO WHAT THOU WILT"                

We may be comparing apples and oranges here.  There _may_ be no difference 
between true will and adapting to circumstances.  A magician may do both the 
things you mentioned, i.e. changing his/her environment to suit his/her will, 
and adapting him/herself to achieve harmony with his/her environment.  These 
things may not be as different as they sound.  In any case, I think the 
operative word in any decision where true will is in question is _choice_.

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From:    Rebis                                  Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Serpens                                 4 Apr 92 09:34:26
Subject: Re: THELEMA WITHOUT CHRISTIANITY       

AC's tongue-in-cheek claim to have restored the Mass to its original purity is 
obviously absurd.  However, the Catholics didn't exactly cut the Mass out of 
whole cloth, either.
  There's a book called "The Two Babylons" by. Rev. Alexander Hislop, a fiery 
denunciation of Catholicism by a fundamentalist protestant minister, which, 
despite its biased viewpoint and other shortcomings, presents some 
interesting and plausible evidence that most of the symbolism of the Mass is 
of Pagan origin.  There's another book, "Water into Wine" by E.S. Drower, 
which compares the eucharistic rituals of various Christian rites (Russian 
and Greek Orthodox, Jacobite, Armenain, Nestorian, Chaldean, Coptic and 
Abyssinian) with those of the Parsis, Mandaeans and others.
  Crowley's rescension of the Mass is not a theft from Christianity, but the 
assertion of a claim on an aspect of the common religious heritage of Western 
and middle Eastern culture.

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From:    Saracen                                Area: RPSTOVAL
To:      Rebis                                   4 Apr 92 16:20:20
Subject: Re: "DO WHAT THOU WILT"                

 > The Law of Thelema is only for those who have wondered 
 > who they really are, for those who are unsatisfied with apparent 
 > reality.
        
        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
 Rather broad brush in use here :}...what about those who are working
on being true to themselves -all- of the time, as opposed to only living
that way for brief instances. Or those who have learned who they are and
wish to make it so others, and they themselves, may be able to do their 
will...i.e. making Liber OZ a reality for all men. IMHO, The Law of 
Thelema is for more than just those two cases that you mention.
        Love is the Law, Love under Will
        Ann

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