From: Tom Almy Area: Public Key Encryption To: Alan Pugh 10 May 95 13:51:38 Subject: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Once upon a time, Alan Pugh said to Tom Almy <=- CF> I've never found an echo strictly for PGP msg's. TA> No reason for one. AP> i would think that it would be an _excellent_ method of thwarting AP> traffic analysis. I agree (and said so in another message). AP> hmmmm... guess i'm atypical. none of the 4 above apply to me. i would AP> add one to your list. AP> 5. user has no backup of keyring & emergency revokation certificate. and 6. forgetting one's passphrase. (I could add 5a. -- not having a backup, then generating an emergency revokation certificate :-) Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL7EdJdmt3ugi2IbhAQF5vAQA2LK3z5dOt7OZZLZIQ5pEDvTxJsGv+5rI DosHeMljwYnfUaioxSCgCcJNDLbZMW1Uj9+q879D8ziZa9TiOxFBFvvU/M9QfNCK 0zQprboo/R7dLaBWqBJE7pNAjRACQK/hOb8Y8K3YFyWiKxOwAAH5d3etvuGgMsih SWTkF1c+FKk= =FsHq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Robert Purnell Area: Public Key Encryption To: Glen Todd 12 May 95 08:51:10 Subject: Congressional E-mail question UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Glen Todd was caught spraypainting on wall to Robert Purnell: RP> sig at the bottom of our message? GT> I would also appreciate this. GT> Wind to thy wings, GT> Glen Glen! Got some great info from someone, will be emailing it to you here shortly. Namaste, Bob - --- * Origin: UNHINGED! BBS - Kailua, HI (808) 263-4742 (93:9609/0) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: robert.purnell@cocolib.hi.net iQCVAwUBL7HQXqUkq042JVlZAQGsewQAvF2oAjKA1ThLvOVmIOiyJ/nL2kylnOLt Jx5NfegS8pJlIDxSg/ZVJHDmqD16y9RBqX7fkpble5butrVICkBjWYb5DjOhMZ45 5ICeUy2cElCaa547gOib8SuHcrwJ5Dkay+q0rMs1Sp2qAazpSKNISBDFGQYKak+d r4fQlH9SU1U= =t42n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Bennett Area: Public Key Encryption To: Robert Small 11 May 95 20:26:00 Subject: files UpdReq Um. I don't think I understand your filing system. I tried to download some files but the board says that they are not on the disk. I was trying to get... CPRV21.zip & 1STAID.ZIP. I found them in the file listing, but can't get to them. What am I doing wrong? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Bennett Area: Public Key Encryption To: Robert Small 11 May 95 20:23:00 Subject: mail reader UpdReq I don't think my mail scan is picking up all the messages it should. Here's what is listed as messages to be read. The first one is what I see when I log on. The second one is what CAN mail tells me is waiting. Conference To Total # Name You Found ----- ------------------------------------------------- ----- ----- 0 Main Board . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 2 4 NET_MAIL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 0 36 FISHING. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 0 70 PKEY_DROP. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 75 PUBLIC_KEYS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 46 76 P_NEWS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 54 189 WN_MARTIAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 0 244 WN_WRESTLING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 25 Conference Attach To Total # Name Files You Found ----- ----------------------------------------------- --- ---- ----- 0 Main Board 0 2 2 4 NET_MAIL 0 0 0 16 BBSLAW 0 0 0 36 FISHING 0 0 0 99 TNET - GENERAL CHAT 0 0 0 100 TNET - YOUR OPNIONS 0 0 0 101 TNET - THE GAME WORLD 0 0 0 102 TNET - AREA NEWS N GOSSIP 0 0 0 103 TNET - ALIAS ONLY 0 0 0 116 TNET - PGP ENCRYPTION 0 0 0 140 WN_BBSLAW 0 0 0 175 WN_GROANERS 0 0 0 187 WN_LIBERTARIAN 0 0 0 189 WN_MARTIAL 0 0 0 243 WN_WORD_PERFECT 0 0 0 Why the difference? Does the mail program only collect message every so often? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: Laurence Lane 11 May 95 12:09:18 Subject: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Laurence Lane said this to jason carr: LL> My idea is just the opposite of yours; instead of encrypting LL> individual messages, encrypt the FTN mail packet. That would LL> provide for secured transportation and leave the receiving LL> system to its own security devices (after the packet is LL> decrypted and processed). Already being done in some places, Laurence. Simplest way to do it, IMNERHO, is to use Hpack as your archiver. It uses PGP keys for it's public-key encryption, and has the best conventional encryption of any archiver of which I know. It also gets much higher compression rates on Fidonet echomail then ZIP, ARJ, or LZH, in every test I've ever run. It's slower than Christmas, but to paraphrase an old hacker's adage: Fast, good, or secure; pick two. :-) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Stephenson Area: Public Key Encryption To: Thomas Junker 11 May 95 23:48:22 Subject: PGPWave source code gone UpdReq JS> I wish I could. I have lost the source code to PGPWave. Meaning I JS> can't update it any further. TJ> What? Are you serious? Yes. But this should be of little concern to most people, I've already started building a bigger, better PGPWave. I've finished the main menu, setup menu, configuration file, information menu, detailed, editor, spell checker, etc etc etc. I suspect I'm about 25% done. I wasn't planning on doing this until over the summer, but a few people have some suggestions that I feel are very important to add, so that's what I'm working on at the moment. JS> To do the changes you wish, I need to rewrite all of PGPWave from JS> scratch. TJ> Far out. In that case you should make your future releases of this TJ> and all other sofware free of registration fee, PGPWave is free of registration, did you read the PGPWAVE.DOC? TJ> as was the first, until such time as you figure out how to take TJ> proper care of source code. Don't judge me. I took proper control of my source code, it's just someone -literally- stole my data from me. Anyways, I had backups of my main miscelleneous units on a network I use, so I will be able to recreate PGPWave without being overswamped in work. TJ> I am not amused. You seem to have quite an attitude on you. PGPWave is a great program, and whether I have source code to it at the moment shouldn't matter. TJ> Do you have any idea why PGPWave eats the input message when TJ> Decrypt is invoked? It doesn't when run properly. Please tell me how to duplicate this error. TJ> It then goes ahead and calls PGP, which TJ> correctly complains that there is no message to decrypt. Okay, but tell me how to duplicate this error! I need to know information on your setup, are you running your message storage off of a different drive than PGPWAVE or PGP? (ie a RAM disk for temporary storage?) How much memory was there available for PGPWave to work with? TJ> This is TJ> especially fun when returning to the mail reader which then locks up TJ> in confusion over the missing original message. Hmm, odd. That sounds like a bug with your message reader. TJ> How about the sytem rebooting when I try to have PGPWave invoke a TJ> spellchecker by means of a .BAT in the config? If you noticed the example was an executable. It was never intended that you should be able to run a batch file. If you do wish to, use BAT2EXEC to convert a batch file into a com file, then run that. PGPWave v1.10a will have batch file support, along with configurable parameter passing. TJ> How about PGPWave eating its own config file? Any time I try to TJ> change the config from within PGPWave it consumes its config file. Odd. That isn't something I've seen happen. Tell me how to duplicate that error as well. TJ> If you charged for this, It's free. What have you to complain about? TJ> maybe you *would* have the incentive to take TJ> care of the source and to make it bulletproof. I tried to the best of my abilities to make PGPWave as bulletproof as possible. That's why I went through beta testers, and the whole works. - John ... Oxymoron: Original copy. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Stephenson Area: Public Key Encryption To: jason carr 11 May 95 23:48:22 Subject: PGPWave source code gone UpdReq JC> "You should" unplug your modem until you learn some gratitude for JC> freeware authors. Yes! Finally someone sympathizes with what it's like to be a freeware software author and respond to people who send you their bug list with an attitude. - John ... Oxymoron: Accordion music. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Stephenson Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 11 May 95 23:48:22 Subject: RSA UpdReq Forgive me if I'm offtopic, but I don't see any conferences specifically devoted to this topic, and this was as close as it gets for me. I'm familiar with the basic idea of RSA encryption, and this is what I know so far: The encryption algorithm is: C = (M^e) mod n The decryption algorithm is: M = (C^d) mod n (the same formulae, just with the opposite keys) Where C is the encrypted byte M is the original byte p is a prime number q is a prime number n is pq d is the inverse to the function of e e is the inverse to the function of d So the encryption key is the two numbers: e,n So the decryption key is the two numbers: d,n But.. how do I find out D & E with knowing P & Q? I'd eventually like to implement a Pascal program using the formula.. but I can't get past that "little" road block. Btw I live in Canada, so it's legal :) - John ... Oxymoron: Understanding Wife. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: quake!netcom.com!tcmay Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 11 May 95 15:14:06 Subject: Re: "Watch the Skies!" UpdReq * Original Message Posted via CYPHERPUNKS * Date: 08 May 95 20:26:03 * From: quake!netcom.com!tcmay @ 1:102/825 * To: All * Forwarded by: Christopher Baker @ 1:374/14 * Message text was not edited! @MSGID: mid__199505091726.KAA04944@netcom11.netcom.com b38e0001 @REPLYTO 1:102/825 UUCP @REPLYADDR quake!netcom.com!tcmay @PID GIGO+ sn 154 at borderlin vsn 0.99.950303 @Received: from warp10.smartdocs.com (jeffs@smartdocs.com [204.118.4.2]) by quake.Quake.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA29997 for ; Tue, 9 May 1995 09:31:22 -0700 @Received: from relay4.UU.NET by warp10.smartdocs.com(8.6.12/SMARTDOCS-1.0) with id KAA17630 ESMTP @ for on Tue, 9 May 1995 10:35:11 -0700 @Received: from toad.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP @ id QQyozu18402; Tue, 9 May 1995 13:31:32 -0400 @Received: by toad.com id AA06455; Tue, 9 May 95 10:27:53 PDT @Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by toad.com id AA06449; Tue, 9 May 95 10: 27:47 PDT @Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) @ id KAA04944; Tue, 9 May 1995 10:26:04 -0700 From: quake!netcom.com!tcmay (Timothy C. May) Message-Id: <199505091726.KAA04944@netcom11.netcom.com> @Subject: "Watch the Skies!" @To: quake!dee.retix.com!alkahest!joshua (joshua geller) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: quake!toad.com!cypherpunks @In-Reply-To: <199505091320.GAA02343@alkahest.isas.com> from "joshua geller" at May 9, 95 06:20:02 am @Mime-Version: 1.0 @Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII @Sender: quake!toad.com!owner-cypherpunks @Precedence: bulk > an250888@anon.penet.fi writes: > > > Any merit to this zine excerpt? > > > *** > > > A lot of people think that PGP encryption is unbreakable and that the > > NSA/FBI/CIA/MJ12 cannot read their mail. This is wrong, and it can be a > > deadly mistake. > > this sounds very unlikely. if I were more paranoid than I tend to get I > might think that the story itself was disinformation. as it is I think > it's probably just a blown up rumor. Be afraid, be very afraid! Paul Zimmerman, distant cousin of Phil Zimmermann, is deeply involved in MJ-12's plans to employ alien spacecraft technology to enslave humans for alien breeding purposes. MJ-12, mentioned by our anonymous informant, is "Majestic-12," the committee of U.S. scientists and military officials that oversees the alien spacecraft technology acquired when the secret pact with the Grey Aliens was signed in the early 1950s. The aliens had originally formed an alliance with the Nazis, and this encryption technology was transferred along with Horst Feistel to the U.S. when the Greys allied themselves with the Americans. RSA, which actually stands for "Rigel-Sirius-Arcturus," was one of the first spinoffs of this alliance. The President of RSA, Jim Bidzos, is well-known to be an alien. But the concerns about a backdoor are overblown. The faster-than-light (FTL) spaceship drive of the Greys can of course be used to decode messages before they were ever written. And don't bet on using Faraday cages, as gravitronic emissions punch right through them. In space, no one can hear you scream. In cypherspace, no one can read your screen. (credit to J. Milhon/E. Hughes for this one.) Watch the skies! --Klatu vom Future Prime 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Robert Purnell 11 May 95 15:16:10 Subject: Re: Congressional E-mail question UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 08 May 95, Robert Purnell stated: RP> assist those ends, doeas anyone on this echo have a congressional RP> E-mail directory so we can get our opinions to our representatives freq CONGRESS.ZIP for a list of current email addresses for various Congresscritters. TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: SUPPORT the Phil Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund! iQCVAwUBL7JibssQPBL4miT5AQHtngP/V26EOkba/5vnocazxrh/gKZ6zh4JThfp mmQ5IKIkLUIdBVGiFoZETfccJ2/1JXbVOrnbs8m8bbVcJ8yqxpKlb7TPmHGA3FQA RCFGZp+ufftk9ox/RwFiQ+TLYmM+WCzXUMH91Mxh55+cAA1h4iKR+aqvrV4e2S7u wrEdcpl/seY= =dZXb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Glen Todd 11 May 95 15:17:24 Subject: Re: Congressional E-mail question UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 09 May 95, Glen Todd stated: GT> I would also appreciate this. see previous. also, your msg did not validate when processed. TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: SUPPORT the Phil Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund! iQCVAwUBL7JiuMsQPBL4miT5AQEqygQAspDLP94uLX7f1x/ht3FSVTJoWNoiZSfC QgXY3GbcvQpIllksELMjP0EUfcXgwLID+1muvaDQ/wlGWTtC6aymoWeClRquYsKP QrhQZG7nZMPYMh3v6Ll8apndezfwfnU6ZcpOYpNoDq1fKog8oQOzm06RibtrnrLh KGvCVwJV0H4= =Mcex -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jeffrey Bloss Area: Public Key Encryption To: David Chessler 12 May 95 00:14:00 Subject: Re: encrypted messages UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- DC>> JB>DC>> No. The State Department has the final say in the matter. If you DC>> JB>NO! The State Department has almost *NO* say. Existing laws give the DC>> ITAR refers to the STATE department and is administered by them. Grady War Arrrrrgh! Again... ITAR has been rewritten, superseded, it's obsolete. PLEASE bring yourself up to speed on the subject at hand before you suffer any more self-inflicted gunshot wounds to your feet. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: -=[ Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption ]=- iQCVAwUBL7LgoOkStfMM4BMZAQHsXAP9ET/jII9zt5DJxdyyrrrVzxw54txy2oZh CJGiaiaQi+BQ7ncry+McVVsnAiP/7smImHLQ6bo7F4ia4XOWfATrGni1gyVHMVD4 ztaRwVSmaunlB8UrvRVj9Q0NCW5ehCzNn7qoqpO3vfUIU/WCmNEeVQMVN8xw46pi LOwpguYsBxo= =TK0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jeffrey Bloss Area: Public Key Encryption To: David Chessler 12 May 95 01:04:00 Subject: Re: encrypted messages UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- DC>> >speculate. I've helped you along by giving reference to some of the DC>> >best sources of information available. It's a terribly long paper DC>> You've given inadequate references to material that does not appear to be DC>> pertinent, or to be of limited applicability. Correct me if I'm wrong David, but you haven't READ any of the specific documents/sections I've referenced... have you? Your lack of possession or motivation to lay hands on a resource is hardly an indication of it's adequacy. :( DC>> >greater majority of the governing bodies on the face of this planet DO DC>> >restrict, criminalize, or otherwise try to prevent the use of PGP and DC>> Crap again. There are only a few that have laws that apply or are applied Between 1979 and 1989 I worked on secure radio systems in the US Air Force. Technically I was classified as a 304x0T radio technician. Specifically, I was responsible for installing, maintaining and repairing "black box" encryption electronics in MSC class radio equipment that's used all over the world... LOS, SATCOM, and TROPO installations like Blue Eagle, Silk Purse, AWACS, Air Force 1, and a host of less significant military and "civilian" sites. Aside from the documentation I've already quoted David, I've spent many thousands of hours pouring over long since shredded and dissolved paperwork telling me specifically what could and could not be installed where, and who could use it or not. That's called first hand experience working within the very same environment I'm speaking about, in more places than I can remember. In my last 18 months active duty alone I worked in 27 different countries. You're wrong... mislead, mistaken... whatever. DC>> The use of encryption in telegraph and telex is restricted by ITU (formerl DC>> CCITT) regulation. It's a treaty. All codes used have to be public ones, This the very same sort of "situation specific" reference you're trying to say *I'M* using!!! ITU/CCITT defines a microscopic subsection of the world wide communications picture. DC>> books that used to be widely used, since they encrypted whole sentences of DC>> common phrases into a single 5 letter group. The best known is the one Used similar materials nearly every day for just under 10 years. :) Even had sets that had to be exchanged at regular intervals, or when compromised. In fact, the main reason my job description included anything about firearms was because I was constantly moving codebooks from here to pergatory and back. DC>>JB>DC>> >this control. Your own account of actions in the former Soviet DC>>>DC>> current decree. This does not support your claim. DC>> JB>Horsehockey!! It DOES support my claims... I quote myself from a few DC>> It denies your claim. There was no regulation of encryption UNTIL a recen Smoke and mirrors... you conveniently deleted the part about "tightening restrictions", and I've never claimed the Soviet Union as evidence to anything else. Lame David... very lame. DC>> JB>It is funny, and it does poke your "senses" a bit. What it's not, is DC>> >topical, important, or something that requires comments from the peanut DC>> If you have so little sense of humor don't bother us. We were happy enoug Us and we David? I seriously doubt you have the authority to speak for anyone but yourself, and how my tagline affects *your* happiness isn't exactly "topical" or "important" either. It *is* humorous though... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: -=[ Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption ]=- iQCVAwUBL7LsS+kStfMM4BMZAQFLpQQAquc/xSjI4pio3vk3ZbmgRIl+Udrw2Ptm H/xjtHseUxWmEIqr4XUmASvLl/5Hv+e/iKl3RpqpqvM72BdkR5kIqRgcr3pEKZpz x7nikSpGXjYrY7qYDcg8A0vzo/ufnx1ZWO3na54c8wh7hAvKAtPYlcOrScK5P+av o+VzF4E6ml4= =oO+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Hayes Area: Public Key Encryption To: GARY ROTH 11 May 95 06:07:00 Subject: PGP stuff UpdReq In a message to ANDY HAYES, GARY ROTH said... GR>AH>GR> AutoPGP version 2.2b2. GR>--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 GR> * Origin: NWCS Online (1:105/362.0) Would you like to say something, or should I just throw some words into your message? Don't worry about it, we all have those "fluke" messages once in a while. See ya later, Gary. Andy -=or=- Jose * QUOTEOLX 2.4 1892898 * * OLX 2.2 TD * And where's my next contestant for Here's my tagline? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718