From: Aaron Goldblatt Area: Public Key Encryption To: Mark Ott 18 Mar 95 13:28:22 Subject: Internet mail reader that supports PGP.UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- MO> Please feel free to share your PGP setup in Golded with us. :-) GOLDED.CFG: === Cut === EXTERNUTIL 1 c:\golded\pgpsign.bat @dfname @dlname @ofname @olname EXTERNUTIL 2 c:\golded\pgpencr.bat @dfname @dlname @ofname @olname EXTERNUTIL 3 C:\golded\pgpdecr.bat @dfname @dlname @ofname @olname externoptions -nokeepctrl EDITSAVEMENU Yes EDITSAVEUTIL 1 "S PGP Sign the msg" EDITSAVEUTIL 2 "E PGP Encrypt the msg" EDITSAVEUTIL 3 "D PGP Decrypt the msg" === Cut === PGPSIGN.BAT === Cut === cdd c:\golded copy golded.msg goldpgp.$$$ pgp +batchmode +force -sta goldpgp.$$$ pause del golded.msg>nul ren goldpgp.asc golded.msg>nul del goldpgp.$$$>nul === Cut === PGPENCR.BAT: === Cut === cdd c:\golded copy golded.msg goldpgp.$$$>nul pgp -ea +batchmode +force goldpgp.$$$ "%1 %2" pause del golded.msg>nul del goldpgp.$$$>nul ren goldpgp.asc golded.msg>nul === Cut === PGPDECR.BAT: === Cut === cdd c:\golded copy golded.msg goldpgp.$$$>nul pgp -ea +batchmode +force goldpgp.$$$ "%1 %2" pause del golded.msg>nul del goldpgp.$$$>nul ren goldpgp.asc golded.msg>nul === Cut === GOLDKEYS.CFG: === Cut === F11 ExternUtil01 F12 ExternUtil02 F10 ExternUtil03 === Cut === Note that some of the batch file commands are 4DOS-specific. You can convert them to COMMAND.COM crap withouth a problem. D'Artagnon - --- GoldED v2.50.A0307+/1111 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: 43 6C 69 70 70 65 72 20 73 75 63 6B 73 21 iQCVAwUBL2sKNb8aRv3HpI1RAQFkegP9HtgY7Hg1DsRQxpwf6Oh3N5igNPUgJEbu JAeUMeApS//6DwVePmHxGBZ3UKQ/2XfChtIMAwkvfBIakU1z18tB9BON981mi5ha rhfBSZTEHi6ZH7oSnEIir5b83VRFClhYQwpj+W4n9tXSE4+6m5GtpbiDkvHV4DO3 mMAssaKzsDg= =InpE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... 3. WE made a decision ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Stephenson Area: Public Key Encryption To: Bruce Davis 16 Mar 95 13:37:48 Subject: Pgpblue problem UpdReq JS> If I can take a second to push on of my little products, try taking JS> a look at "PGPWAVE" available under the below origin under that FREQ JS> magic name, also available on a guest account login to the board. JS> ! Origin: The Serpent's Egg II (1:249/126) BD> OK, where can I gate PGPBWAVE. Actually, just "PGPWAVE". BD> I was a REGISTERED user of PGPBLUE and am unable to get 3.0 to work BD> NOR will the author support the product! I'm unfamiliar with the term "gate", however you still can freq or sign onto the board to snag a copy of PGPWave - it's well worth the couple of pennies of long distance in the amount that you'd save yourself from registering PGPBlue or spending thinking about why PGPBlue doesn't quite work right :) Plus I'm here to add new features, and updates - for free! Furthermore, the source is also available for anyone to wishes to purchase it. (but that's the only cost in the whole program) It is being used locally by quite a few with no problems. - John ... Oxymoron: Not concerned 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Aaron Goldblatt Area: Public Key Encryption To: Lowell Barger 18 Mar 95 13:16:12 Subject: RSA inquiry ... UpdReq LB> What is the difference between RSA and PGP? Is PGP much better LB> than RSA? RSA is an ecryption algorythm relying on two mathmatically related keys (a "public" key, which you distribute freely, and a "private" key, which is kept secret). PGP is a program (Pretty Good Privacy) by Phil Zimmerman that implements RSA encryption for everyday use. PGP doesn't use complete RSA encryption; it uses a combination of RSA and another algorythm called IDEA. Read the docs to find out how it works. D'Artagnon ... 5. WE admitted ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Zorch Frezberg Area: Public Key Encryption To: Eddie Benson 19 Mar 95 21:35:54 Subject: Re: bye! UpdReq In a msg on , Eddie Benson of 1:3800/39.4 writes to Shawn McMahon: SM>> needs. Hell, if Fidonet was that pointless, UUCP wouldn't SM>> have been invented either. They went to a lot of trouble to SM>> write a protocol that, in many ways, gives Internet systems SM>> capabilities similar to Fidonet. EB> I agree with the majority of your statments, but I would like to EB> point out that Unix to Unix CoPy (UUCP) was not written for fidonet. I don't think that he said that, Eddie, but you've made the mistake of misinterpreting his words, so I'll let you deal with Shawn on your own. Good luck. -zf- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Peter Bradie Area: Public Key Encryption To: Zorch Frezberg 18 Mar 95 12:59:16 Subject: In response to bye!/1 UpdReq -=> Quoting Zorch Frezberg to Ian Hebert <=- ZF> The present governmental structures, both here in the US and ZF> abroad, are truly frightened by the presence of ZF> telecommunications. And well they may! Telecommunications in it's present form is as far advanced from previous communications as Gutenberg was in his time. I'd expect the same sort of social impact. FidoNet's reaction to encryption does not help matters, however, since that fear plays into governmental hands. The wider the use of encryption, the more difficult it will be for repressive government to control communications. Try as you might, you cannot put the Djinn back in the bottle. ... An unfettered government, no matter how beneficent, is a threat! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Zorch Frezberg Area: Public Key Encryption To: Eddie Benson 19 Mar 95 21:36:54 Subject: Re: In response to bye!/1 UpdReq In a msg on , Eddie Benson of 1:3800/39.4 writes to Zorch Frezberg: ZF>> fully expect that encrypted messaging in the InterNet to be shut down ZF>> soon; it's a 'smell' in the political air that I'm tasting, one that ZF>> isn't very pleasant. EB> I hope you're wrong on this, and think that you probably are. You can hope, but I think you'll find out I'm right all too soon. ZF>> InterNet because of our non-affiliation. We determine our operating ZF>> hours; we can go to APS...Absolute Point Status, where the only way to ZF>> access our systems is if you are a point. EB> Actually, with the software available, mini-nets can, and I suspect will, EB> be put up and provide secure telecommunications. I would be simple to EB> create your own nodelist for your business or organization and keep it EB> private. PGP should be able to be used on these private lines without EB> much trouble at all. ...such mini-nets, however, would be based on FidoNet-style technology. The InterNet, if I'm right, will be inaccessible. The future WAS now. -zf- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Zorch Frezberg Area: Public Key Encryption To: Shawn McMahon 19 Mar 95 15:48:52 Subject: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq In a msg on , Shawn McMahon of 1:19/34 writes to Zorch Frezberg: ZF>> InterNet access is a gee-whiz technical phenomenon, but the ZF>> growing trend is towards a technology that Joe Average ZF>> cannot afford. InterNet access is becoming elitist. SM> I've sat and looked at this paragraph for a couple of minutes SM> now, thinking that I must be missing something; it can't possible SM> say what it says. SM> Zorch, you're completely 180 degrees wrong. SM> InterNet access is becoming easier, cheaper, and "more cool" every day. To you, I, and anyone who knows anything about computer systems. However, less than 1 in 5000 people access the InterNet for non-commercial purposes. There are 280Million people in the US alone. How many computers are there, per person, in the home (non-business)? SM> As late as a year ago, none of the computer rags told you how to SM> access the 'net, and software to do so could only be FTPed or SM> mail ordered in most cities. SM> Now, all the rags have semi-regular features about the 'net, and SM> not only can you buy the software in any software store or large SM> book store (even here in Ada, population 15,000) but it's SM> beginning to come free with the operating systems! Correct, but...how many are buying the InterNet service, as opposed to CI$ or AOL? SM> Also over the past year, every major online service (and most of SM> the minor ones) has added Internet access. Hell, you saw the SM> same stats I did, about how the majority of posters in many SM> newsgroups are @aol.com. SM> Internet programmers have developed protocols like SLIP and PPP, SM> that let any dip with a modem get a full 'net connection. SM> They've developed programs like UQWK to let people use their SM> familiar BBS paradigms when reading mail. SM> *FREE* access is available in many areas where *NO* access was SM> available a year or two ago. In every major city there are SM> *MULTIPLE* local providers today. SM> Universities are opening their sites up to locals. Sure, there SM> are specific counter-examples to any of these; but hell, you SM> never used Clovis' temporary loss of their Net as proof that SM> Fidonet was declining in membership, did you? SM> Your local provider is a counter-example, Zorch. You're making the same incorrect assumption that I made before. You're assuming that there are people out there who are completely computer-literate the instant that they sit down in front of a keyboard. ZF>> In order to use Windows now, the major InterNet access methodology, you ZF>> need a 386. SM> No. Oh? I've yet to see a MOSAIC/MOSAIC-style interface that runs on anything less than a 386, which is the minimum to run Windows 3.1, which is the minimum required to run MOSAIC and its clones. Likewise, I've yet to see a UNIX server run on anythign less than a 486. The underlying problem, however, is one pointed up by a Tom Fouk , who said: "We spent 5000 years developing the tools and means to have words replace ideographs, and in less than 10 years, we're using computers to go back to cave drawings." ZF>> Despite the hype and media play, it still costs money to ZF>> upgrade from anything less to anything more...and there are ZF>> quite a few 286s and less down there below our lofty ZF>> perches. SM> A 386SX40 motherboard costs around $80 on the street. Enough SM> SIPP-to-SIMM converters to get your memory over brings the cost SM> to just over $100, for most people. SM> Only the truly destitute can't upgrade to a 386. That, or the truly technically declined. Tell you what...go into any store that deals in computers (that you don't know the owners) and see what is being sold to consumers as the latest in "ya-gotta-have-it-or-you're-nothing" technology. Again...you make the same assumption I did...that people, in general, know more than they really do. SM> But it isn't necessary; as you should know, Windows isn't in any SM> way necessary for joining the Internet. There are many ways to SM> get Internet access, and the way I do it (a shell account) can be SM> emulated by anybody with a dumb terminal and a modem. Right...I use LYNX or a shell. SM> If you want WWW access, you need more; but WWW ain't the entire SM> Internet. It's the only thing available, as far as marketing concerns are available. Part of what set me off on this was the most recent mailings I received. One for AOL, one for CI$, and one for Prodigy. *ALL* of these require Windows 3.1 and a 386 minimum machine...the CI$ diskrecommends a 486. Likewise, my free demos for Delphi, NetCom, Emerald, and others...all are demo disks requiring Windows 3.1 or better, and a 486 or better machine. If I was Joe Citizen, I'd not know what to do. ZF>> The InterNet is an elitist playing field. FidoNet is not. SM> And yet, they outnumber us 10-to-one, and are growing faster than SM> we are. I've worked with a number of locals recently who are SM> using their several new routes of access to the Internet, but SM> have no idea what Fidonet is. Only because of...Media Hype. The same kind that shows the InterNet being a Windows environment, the same software that tells you a 486 machine (or better!) is needed to _Really_ get the power out of it. And, does not OS/2 do the same? The bigger machine, the more memory, the better that it runs? What good is the InterNet when the operating systems (with _free_ InterNet access included!) require machines outside the range of affordability? SM> Accessing Fidonet (except for users of somebody else's system SM> that's already done this) requires special programs available SM> through channels that, to the average guy on the street, are SM> quite arcane. But that big "Internet in a Box" package is SM> sitting right there in front of his face at the local Hasting's SM> or B. Dalton's, and he probably got 3 packages to join AOL with SM> his computer and/or in the mail. If he's running OS/2 he got the SM> stuff for free. If he buys Windows 95 (some time in 1996 or '97 SM> when it comes out) he'll get it for free, also. SM> What operating system includes a free Fidonet mailer? You're making my point for me. You get all this free access stuff...*IF* you go out and buy a bigger/faster machine. Or are you going to try and tell me that Warp and Chicago are going to run on a 386SX40, as you use exampled above? ZF>> FidoNet is and will be grass-roots. It can survive without ZF>> InterNet, though it should not. It may well be time for a ZF>> new and clearer vision of what FidoNet should be in the ZF>> future...perhaps a new symposium on a new FTSC. ZF>> But it cannot, nor should it be allowed to die. SM> All of this is true. I'm not disagreeing with you...I saying you're looking at it in a different perspective. I've got a blind couple that want to access the InterNet because they've been told there are some interesting sites available to them. What good is Windows or Icons to a blind couple? The sites are accessible via shell or by LYNX, but to access the 'effect', they need SLIP and Windows. The couple gets SSI; about $750/month...how do they go out and buy the equipment? Where do they get the training? When I saw their difficulty, it opened my eyes to just how much I've taken *my* ability to access for granted. -zf- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: jason carr Area: Public Key Encryption To: Eddie Benson 19 Mar 95 20:40:32 Subject: AutoPGP UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- EB> Does anyone know anything about a program called AutoPGP? I EB> tried to ftp it from ftp.netcom.com, but access was denied. EB> Anyone know of another site that I could find it? Would it EB> be at Cypherpunks? Does anyone have the address for EB> Cypherpunks? I think that it's a Berkeley site, but I lost EB> it. - - - -PGP File area, Penny University, 1:124/3208 214.650.0382 - - APGP212.ZIP AutoPGP 2.12 CONFRNCE.TXT Privacy conference transcript If you need to FREQ it I have an [old-ish] version here. jason ... I want a license for my pet fish, ELRIC. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP_ECHO: CypherEcho to the gods... iQCVAwUBL20Hl0jhGzlN9lCZAQEH4QP/QzLTS+jas45Vhnjp0J6G+ayIbplsfWby yt/VwclKGgqb3q96/LSahIRa5LvBqeaY/uKobuJ1jD6lOW5Ce8lqvU4O2mfeWiRt NeCDLYkR0rZ6EtF65nCQ3Os/xiEtDMTD5ss690tjrAgNDH40Cod0OESAiPiDDACD nOtf6K6ocfg= =S8BL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... Key fingerprint = 60 97 B2 AE 7D 90 11 2F 05 1C 35 98 E9 B9 83 61 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: jason carr Area: Public Key Encryption To: Zorch Frezberg 19 Mar 95 20:36:38 Subject: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Zorch Frezberg wrote in a message to Ian Hebert: ZF> FidoNet is more flexible in terms of equipment and ZF> platforms; it's more grass-roots as well as global; it's far ZF> more political, for better or worse, internally and ZF> externally; and it's got a more secure short-term future I'm not sure that Fido itself is that intrinsically valuable, but the knowledge of how to run a FidoNet Technology Network is =certainly= important. Another tool in our toolbox. jason ... How come all you guys sit on your helmets? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP_ECHO: CypherEcho to the gods... iQCVAwUBL20GzEjhGzlN9lCZAQGKQwP/R5hRt5PdeiJj0x84FMLg6Sr1IJpMh9Vd XgNRLMH+8gDrHcAPxTCQ11vO6zrlDE7G+FMkgMRzj/M8SeGvshQxZ9bmyv5eGxCA WcfceLsKrTLmf1OeeT9WDoCYlhzpfGzKYsSRIlA6o+3HNfiMNhPRJN0VSCKR2Mu+ XSDSgF+7Qcc= =Qw8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... Key fingerprint = 60 97 B2 AE 7D 90 11 2F 05 1C 35 98 E9 B9 83 61 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: jason carr Area: Public Key Encryption To: Shawn McMahon 19 Mar 95 20:44:28 Subject: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Shawn McMahon wrote in a message to Zorch Frezberg: SM> What operating system includes a free Fidonet mailer? I wish they would! jason ... And now for something completely different. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP_ECHO: CypherEcho to the gods... iQCVAwUBL20ITEjhGzlN9lCZAQE2TAQAk55ijAt47r9NVDsxpedAtdiWDFUNdTRS 3jV/fynxBYJZ6RKnATrP0/xy9L53ZcQwhTS9/05Xt3zKI9Ua0AVFezrPmV2gFnhJ N4qqG7XLJkOIbJ9za8aucUKfIVSVqBjlrCyT/8HqWrQeaSazkNZnVf8Rl3lLk2Jr 1KxZ5HYyEXQ= =Gf4+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... Key fingerprint = 60 97 B2 AE 7D 90 11 2F 05 1C 35 98 E9 B9 83 61 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718