From: Marc Stuart Area: Public Key Encryption To: Bill Ziegenbein 7 Dec 94 11:21:06 Subject: PGP 2.6.2 UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [menu] BZ> I have been looking for the newest version of PGP. Can anyone BZ> tell me where it can be filerequested from? I am in northern FREQ PGP from here. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLuXg250oU3J5RriBAQE9NwP7BwzVa3szSRLXqp1ypetkfV8mbUOmARkL HrZQTmAObB8j0k81J26mfDl0OfO7iyq+Meuwewu+RXA17k0nUQZAdbQ+rAtWevFB SEBHVbz+qeyyZpQHAZ6kwvz9AJlQl/Mc7mXVtSNPviOQXByaao0cBVtOVVbCMt4r OXfKXjVIWQw= =hA81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.3 beta ... A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn. --- FMail 0.98a # Origin: Region 13 SecureMail Host *** (914) 463-6160 *** (1:2624/402) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Glen Todd Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 7 Dec 94 23:46:00 Subject: PGP 2.6.2 UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bright the day, Christopher! 06 Dec 94 15:16, Christopher Baker wrote to Bill Ziegenbein: CB> it should also be available from these PUBKEYZ1 file distribution links: I notice that there is no distribution site listed for 1:128. How would one go about getting one's name on the list? Wind to thy wings, Glen - --- GoldED 2.42.G0615 ... Nervous breakdowns are hereditary. We get them from our children. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Joe McCarthy would have loved the Clipper chip. iQCVAwUBLuasHx1IzyRmn+dFAQGIoAP/aL6Z9ooVGXFruPrxUdSzvADZguEpkwy7 Otk+a+bciBGk0b2N8pGNZc2jy/si/9jhpf8cQ3lA76oFhurEHRGjy5PbYhaatdTX vDctvPF68l3A1FocBfZ2yik8GTfxgAWSJqAIE8FIbWMKEGtGI7YLusqJDSLunfnV AKIaWfXZoZo= =EtgJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- d'Bridge 1.58/FastEcho 1.41 # Origin: >>>====> High Reaches CyberSchool BBS <====<<< (1:128/203) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: John Schofield Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ian Lin 8 Dec 94 10:58:26 Subject: PGP versions UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- --====-- SM> But, Ian, you go right ahead using that buggy old version; the rest of SM> the world will keep progressing right on past you. You won't IL> I have never ever run into a bug with PGP 2.3a. PGP > 2.3a is not to IL> be trusted. Not yet. When I can look at the source myself and can IL> understand what's in it, only then will I attest that it's a-ok and IL> then I will recompile it. Maybe if Phil signs a form in blood swearing IL> it's a-ok I would use it--MAYBE. But that's just silly. If you can't look at the source for PGP 2.6.2 and understand it, then you can't understand 2.3a's source either. How do you know 2.3a is good? And if you trust Phil's signed word that 2.3a is good, why not trust him on 2.6.2? I think if you said you thought all versions of PGP were corrupt, we'd think you were stupid but not argue with you. But this self-contradictory stance that somehow one version of PGP is *more* trustworthy than another is ludicrous. The source for 2.6.2 is freely available, and many people have scrutinized it for problems and not found any. And there is at *least* one bug in 2.3a--the clearsigning bug that causes PGP to appear to certify a modified message, under certain circumstances. That is important enough to make me want to change! IL> No one else seems to want to make the IL> switch either. I will not since it would be a downgrade rather than an IL> upgrade. In what substantiated way is it a downgrade? I'm asking for what you *KNOW*, not what you think *might* possibly be true. As for "no one else" wanting to make the switch, well, it's no surprise your friends are as uselessly paranoid as you. Birds of a feather... John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 Comment: Call 818-345-8640 voice for info on Keep Out magazine. iQCVAwUBLudS72j9fvT+ukJdAQHoCQQAxkSebRCuZOcvjrEbyXHV9fiMLie98Fe2 vDiAAxwwqyI9Ztl2qGQTOfsZQ4tKNbCUbtHuDJFDyRBegBGcGql4/3l7y1DCoc4D wsuRIsRRkq0+SLVGMdn9GZ/mOe1gc5AsaMfg4FWp2e7VQzsKxZ7fsRabyyO1/TvY LQYdAmIBQMU= =tMD7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- **EZ-PGP v1.07 ... There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program. --- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 # Origin: The Sprawl -- 818-342-5127 -- Tarzana, California, USA (1:102/903) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Marc Stuart Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 7 Dec 94 11:22:06 Subject: Securemail UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [menu] CB> that is not Region 18. i don't know what Region it is in offhand. Region 11. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLuXhPZ0oU3J5RriBAQETIgP+NjY2Taf+vWRr8ppnFxvZn20LDeqI+cTC nzuid2237MKB3i13umubqbH9+on7tJYr40+Lh/mr3v9wsOchUN58b3a1wjR2YdcM c0BioDtWQUU8lH42j491ykaBfjyK3FBV5U78t5zyByI+JcXFPMu2lzyuHiCeqLRg MooWtwA6AVI= =9n57 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.3 beta ... France: The Land That Beer Forgot. --- FMail 0.98a # Origin: Region 13 SecureMail Host *** (914) 463-6160 *** (1:2624/402) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Jim Grubs, W8GRT Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ian Lin 7 Dec 94 17:35:00 Subject: legal PGP UpdReq > JGW> PRZ isn't. What's that tell you? There is a point beyond > JGW> which prudence turns into paranoia. > No there isn't. I don't think PRZ has a choice. If he wanted to continue > PGP 2.3a, he would not be legally allowed to. That's not a choice. Like somebody else said, why do you mistrust one version of PGP that Phil didn't write personally and still trust an earlier version that he didn't do either? If you can't read the 2.6.2 source, why trust the 2.3a source, which you can't read either? Your objections are illogical and ill-informed. Sincerely, Jim Grubs, W8GRT --- FMail/386 0.98a # Origin: jgrubs@voxbox.norden1.com (1:234/1) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: Scott Miller 9 Dec 94 10:17:30 Subject: legal PGP UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Scott Miller said this to Ian Lin: IL>>newer product isn't better (as with the Pentium or PGP > IL>>2.3a) then you IL>>don't upgrade since it would in effect be downgrading. SM> Give me 1 GOOD REASON why PGP 2.6 isn't a better product. Scott, this is the same guy who thinks a Pentium is exactly the same as a 486. Don't confuse him with facts. --- # Origin: Void Where Prohibited/2 (1:19/34) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Rich Veraa Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jim Cannell 2 Dec 94 18:02:02 Subject: Map UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message to All, Jim Cannell wrote: JC> |--- 18 Christopher Baker 1:374/14 JC> | | [cbak.rights@opus.global.org] JC> | | JC> | |-- 123 Scott Miller 1:123/416 JC> | |-- 135 Tom Cropper 1:135/327 Tom Cropper's been down for a few months. Cheers, Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 Comment: rveraa@907.sunshine.com iQCVAwUBLt99z580iJ+tnwVVAQE/SQP+MPDEg8xIJkFP1eA0+2htPtjvNf49jNW5 UDfnIrMAWTLvUTkKAhOON40nS2hEzeeBqU1omFTZSu7b3E19nxpM/PRvNVRSPlBL PNZTeY2O1dhS+MZS7FAOhVNjouS95u/GkdmAhzlk3cI86O1Enh3QwW2+riLxzbxs z1EIS2pZfgI= =W+39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- GEcho 1.10+ # Origin: Break, break, break on thy cold grey bird, oh, sea. (1:135/907) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Ian Hebert Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ian Lin 8 Dec 94 01:26:10 Subject: PGP versions UpdReq IL> RV> Paranoia is _not_ "being careful." It's a pathological _irrational_ IL> RV> unreasonable fear. Paranoia is debilitating at best and violently IL> RV> destructive at worst. IL> Reservations for PGP > 2.3a are not illogical or irrational. PGP 2.3a's IL> existence isn't now legal. Think about the choice given--there was none. IL> I don't like that. Ian, don't you think that the time for reservations about PGP >2.3a is now past? After all 2.6 versions have been available for long enough now that, if there were any funny business, it would have been exposed by now. If it's the RSAREF routine library that you object to, then use a version of PGP that doesn't use this--PGP 2.6.i (the version I use) uses the same RSA routines (written by Phil Zimmermann) as version 2.3a. This version, like 2.6ui is completely interoperable with 2.3a, and has a number of further advantages. For example, I have generated a 2047-bit key; PGP 2.6.i will allow generation of these as of December 1st. (PGP 2.6.2 will allow keys of this size to be generated in January of 1995.) PGP versions 2.6.i and 2.6.2 have also fixed the clearsig bug that was in all versions of PGP prior to 2.6.2. (PGP 2.6.i also has this bug fixed.) Ian Hebert London, Ontario, Canada RIME: HOMEBASE (5508) Fido: 1:2401/114 Internet: ian.hebert@homebase.com PGP Key: 1024 / 077A2F7F 1993/02/11 PGP Key Fingerprint: A2 15 DE 22 DA FE D4 DC 0F 17 43 24 1F F2 1E 7B * RM 1.3 02664 * Whadda ya mean you can't read armoured Radix-64? --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' # Origin: Home Base BBS, St. Thomas, Ontario (1:2401/114) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Jerry Boggs Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 9 Dec 94 19:24:14 Subject: PGP VERSIONS UpdReq Wednesday December 07 1994 15:12, Christopher Baker wrote to Jack O'neill: CB> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CB> CB> In a message dated: 04 Dec 94, Jack O'neill was quoted as saying: CB> CB>> the main difference is that 2.6 is outdated. 2.6.2 is current. CB> JO>> Not for us OS/2 users. :-{ CB> CB> 2.6.2 was compiled for OS/2 in October but MIT sat on it. CB> CB> it was hatched a week ago into PUBKEYZ1 and is available for freq as: CB> CB> PGPOS2 CB> CB> if you still need it. it took three days for your msg to get here. Any chance of getting that compiled so that I can use it in a window? It seems to have been compiled for Full Screen only. Jerry Boggs 1024/F7983445 Key fingerprint = D1 A1 41 39 04 66 AA 2E 8D 88 C5 26 06 46 38 CB I heard that Clinton was going to raise taxes. --- GoldED 2.50.B1016+ 1626US3 --- Squish/386 v1.11 # Origin: Ender's World-Unprotects,etc. 1-703-790-8499 (1:265/5456) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201 From: Terry Liberty-Parker Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 8 Dec 94 00:54:30 Subject: Zimmerman Faces PGP Judgment Day UpdReq * Original Message Posted via ISIL * Date: 07 Dec 94 20:03:38 * From: Terry Liberty-Parker @ 1:382/804 * To: All * Forwarded by: Mike Lenker @ 1:106/1776 * Message text was not edited! @EID:8d96 1d87a060 @MSGID: 1:382/804.0 ee65e55c -=> Note: Forwarded (from: U_EFFTALK) by Terry Liberty-Parker using timEd. Originally from voorhees@interport.net (1:382/87.0) to All. Original dated: Dec 02 '94, 19:24 From: voorhees@interport.net @Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk @Subject: Zimmerman Faces Judgment Day Date: 3 Dec 1994 01:24:13 GMT @Organization: Interport Communications @Message-Id: <3bohbt$jvd@interport.net> @Reply-To: voorhees@interport.net *********************************************************** Information Law Alert* ||||||||| || |||| * a voorhees report * || || || ||* * || || || || * 718-369-0906 * || || ||||||||| * voice * || || || || * 718-369-3250 * || || || || * fax * ||||||||| |||||||| || || voorhees@interport.net *********************************************************** 411 First St., Brooklyn, NY 11215-2507 December 2, 1994 ZIMMERMAN FACES JUDGMENT DAY ON WHETHER HE WILL BE INDICTED FOR PGP EXPORTATION Philip Zimmerman may soon find out whether he will face indictment for the export of his popular encryption program PGP. PGP, the cult software program of the 1990s, protects email from tampering or prying eyes. It is so powerful that the United States won't allow its export. For more than a year the Customs Service has been investigating how PGP found its way the hands of thousands of overseas computer enthusiasts, privacy advocates, and email users. If Zimmerman is indicted, the case will be a test of the government's powers to control encryption, a key tool of businesses engaged in electronic commerce and individuals who want to guard their privacy. Once under the thumb of the intelligence community, encryption is on the threshold becoming a mass-market product, a prospect that threatens the National Security Agency and its brethren. Zimmerman wrote PGP, which stands for Pretty Good Privacy, in 1991 and distributed it originally as freeware. The program quickly spread to computer sites around the globe where it is available for easy downloading. Zimmerman, who lives in Boulder, Colorado, has denied exporting the program himself. Assistant U.S. Attorney William Keane of San Jose has invited Zimmerman's lawyers to California to explain why he shouldn't be indicted. Zimmerman's fate could hinge on the outcome of that meeting, which will likely occur in January. Keane could not be reached for comment today. Philip Dubois, Zimmerman's lawyer, says he's encouraged that Keane offered to give Zimmerman's side a chance to tell its story. It's a sign that Keane has "not yet made up his mind," Dubois said. On the other hand, it shows that the government hasn't lost interest in the spread of PGP. In early November, Zimmerman was stopped by a Customs agent at Dulles International Airport upon his return from Europe. According to Zimmerman's lawyers, the agent questioned Zimmerman about PGP's possible exportation. Shortly after that airport encounter, Keane wrote Dubois and offered him a chance to fend off a possible indictment. The investigation has only cemented Zimmerman's standing as a cult figure on the Internet. But this case is not just about popular culture. The software industry argues that the same export restrictions that Zimmerman may be charged with violating are hurting their sales. They say their inability to export software with robust encryption capabilities puts them at a disadvantage. If Zimmerman is indicted, it would likely be under the Arms Export Control Act. Encryption is considered a munition that must be licensed under State or Commerce Department review. The government generally does not allow the exportation of strong encryption, except by the banking community. Constitutional scholars have long debated whether the export controls could survive court review. The restrictions expose the tension between an individual's rights to privacy and speech against the government's national security interests. While the national security argument may seem weak in the face of the ease with which software can travel overseas, it's one the intelligence community is unlikely to give up easily, readily, or any time soon. Zimmerman has assembled a top-notch legal squad. Anchored by Dubois, a Boulder criminal defense lawyer, it also includes Ken Bass, a Washington, D.C., partner of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, who once was the Justice Department's first counsel for intelligence policy during the Carter Administration; Eben Moglen, a Columbia University law professor and former clerk for Thurgood Marshall; and Curtis Karnow, a intellectual property specialist at San Francisco's Landels, Ripley & Diamond, a former assistant U.S. attorney. Zimmerman will likely be seeking contributions to replenish his defense fund, which is now "several thousand dollars in the red," Dubois says. --Mark Voorhees **************************************** * * This story may be freely * * distributed for non-commercial use. * * * **************************************** ___ - Origin: Austin InfoMail Association <-> Internet Gateway (1:382/87.0) @PATH: 382/804 106/1776 --- GenMsg [0101] # Origin: Houston Libertarian, 713-728-9777 (1:106/1776) * Origin: PODNet <-> FidoNet EchoGate! (93:9600/0.0) SEEN-BY: 107/946 147/1077 152/53 259/212 382/7 640/217 3611/19 9600/0 9608/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694201