From: Frater Q.A.A. Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 15 Jul 92 01:30:16 Subject: Bate Cabal Info Rec'd Sent UpdReq Wait a second,,,, I'm a saggitarian too.... Dec. 3 1970... and one of my x's who became a Fundie (Apostolic Style) told me "I" was the Anti-Christ. Wanna' Arm Wrestle For the Title? Love is the Law. will Love Frater Q.A.A. Ecstasy Delivers Secret Knowledge 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Q.A.A. Area: Night Side To: Nachash 15 Jul 92 01:36:28 Subject: re: Victory Sent UpdReq If you're serious about lettin' me drop by I'll see if I can make it down there sometime before next summer.... I know that's not too exact but you know the way thing's flow. Neuro Sonic Frater Q.A.A. Ecstacy Delivers Secrets 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Q.A.A. Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 15 Jul 92 01:39:26 Subject: New Orleans Rec'd Sent UpdReq As in the REAL thang >fourth Vampire Party or a bunch of LARP Vampire: the masquerade Anne Rice Obsessor's I'd be very interested in speaking to individuals that utilize vampirism in their workings. Especially since I'm writing a play with a unique twist on Vampirism. (very little too do with Blood Sucking) Like to go into more details but in case I don't finish it, I don't want to have it remember as another one of those Half-assed projects I just never got through. Hint: it involves NYC and some of the Necro-Youth I've observed at Magickal Childe. -----Neuro Sonic Frater Q.A.A. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Night Side To: Frater Q.A.A. 15 Jul 92 02:56:52 Subject: Bate Cabal Info Sent UpdReq Ahhh! But are you homosexual? You see, only a homosexual could be the anti-christ so as to piss off the bubba's of the world. ;) Thus, I am closer to being the anti-christ than you are! ;-) Seriously, though, there may just be something to astrology. Wann check into it for me, pal? :) Pax et Nox. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Night Side To: Nachash 15 Jul 92 03:00:16 Subject: re: Victory Sent UpdReq Hey, Nachash! You'd all better be around! It'll be one year since my last zapping and then I get to die in Nawlihnns! ;) Hell yes you'll be there!!!!! You're one of my two favourite bro's and there's nobody I'd rather have present! :) Pax. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ammond Shadowcraft Area: Night Side To: Jonathon Blake 13 Jul 92 07:49:00 Subject: Re: Wet Magick UpdReq -=> Quoting Jonathon Blake to Ammond Shadowcraft <=- AS}> TU> knowledge that MAGICK can't cure Aids. AS}> Honest question: do you have any information that it does? JB> Yes, no and maybe JB> depending upon your POV Anything verifyable and repeatable? ... Dis-information is the most common commodity in the universe. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ammond Shadowcraft Area: Night Side To: All 14 Jul 92 10:56:00 Subject: Antero Alli's TALKING RAVEN UpdReq I got a letter from Antero Alli. He somehow got wind of my Cyber Wicca proposal. (I wonder how it smelt to him? B^) He has a bi-monthly (?) newspaper. It's called TALKING RAVEN, (not Ranting Raven). Here's the address... TALKING RAVEN Journal of Imaginative Trouble P.O. Box 45758 Seattle, WA. 98145 Talking Raven is published by ParaTheatrical ReSearch. They are looking for writers who cause trouble, aka MindF$ckers. Antero sent me a copy of the Fifth Issue--Virtual Reality?! 'close but no cigar'. The issue has the usual collages and wierd drawings. This issue covers the Cyber Punk craze and includes articles from Douglas-Truth (cyberpunk(1)), Antero Alli (Virtual Astrology/How to See Through Advertising/Digital Bankes in Hyper-Space), Karl Meyers (Cyberpunk Thing), Hakim Bey (Immediatism), poems from Gaven, Matt Tilton, and J.S. Laughter, Daniel Kemp (Cyber Sumo Slut), Sean Kilpatrick (Parallels between Advertising and Black Magic--written for the televised mind), Troy Skeels (Eaten by TV), Anon (Found on the EMPNet...), and advertisement for NOMAD VIDEO (something like TALKING RAVEN on VHS, S-VHS, and Hi-8). Copyright is generous. ... He's a few fries short of a Happy Meal! ... Sometimes the garbage disposal gods demand an offering of a spoon. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: Night Side To: Neuro Sonic 13 Jul 92 07:13:08 Subject: Re: Ragnarok Lumberjacks UpdReq -=> Neuro Sonic sent a message to Charles Nemo on 07-12-92 13:14 <=- -=> Ragnarok Lumberjacks? <=- NS> NR 3 2pg's The Ragnarok Lumberjacks. ..NS> NR 5 6pg's OMP ZONGOM ....NS> NR 6 24 pg's THE CTHULU MYTHOS AND TAROT. ..WHOAH! Back up, bro: where do I find this stuff? This sounds great! BUT: "Unfortunatley due to David Bersson of S.O.T.O. I am no longer insured to recieve my mail. But that's another personal gripe." I gather this is in regard to their message/advert in Pathways? What happened? 418 * BWave/QWK v0.96 * Black holes were created when God divided by zero. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Amazon Lil Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 14 Jul 92 19:15:56 Subject: Dark, dark and dusty.... Rec'd UpdReq AOS huh? I think that AZO would be more amused by it than they.... But semi-seriously folks.....I see "Dark" on a personal level....Chthulu is a cuddly guy after all...Choronzon is Eris' lap dog. Dark is value judgement,(Art pun intended!) Lil 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Amazon Lil Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 14 Jul 92 19:44:06 Subject: Bate Cabal Info Rec'd UpdReq Greetings....and salivations. I am quite familiar with both Bate Cabal and Black Moon Publishing. Bate Cabal began some time back in the 1970's and exists today in a different form than in that which it began. Black Moon publishing puts out the Cincinnati Journal of Cerimonial Magick. Orriginaly the publishers called the company Conquering Child. Bate Cabal is a Thelemic group with ties to Voudou and Maat magick. The other function of Black Moon is to publish the Archives...a collection of magickal writings that are open to the public for the price of the copy. Here is their address: Black Moon Publishing Box 1343 Cincinnati, OH 45201 Amazon Lil 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 14 Jul 92 13:19:02 Subject: A question for discussio Rec'd UpdReq >Very interesting! Looks like something to check into! So, >you're a sag too, eh? I am.... December 16, 1970 e.v. --- >The antichrist was born! ;-) Not to mention my fave composer, Beethoven, a couple of centuries earlier. You're in good company. >Thanks for the info and post >your question or statement away and we'll see what we can >do! ;) Pax. 93 OK. Here's the question, which I'd like to direct to everybody. As I said, I'm very ignorant of the basic principles of darkside/chaos magicks. But I have subscribed to a couple of rags on the subject, and have several friends who regularly send me photocopies of others. And I've seen a disturbingly consistent pattern among the articles in these rags. The pattern I've seen is that most of the authors (about 65% of the articles in my possession) have a great deal of free-floating ANGER, which seems to fall at random on various subjects, often in an irrational and self-contradicting way. (I.e. one will criticize science in vitriolic terms, and then turn around and extol science as the way of salvation.) Among the subjects I've seen as targets for this anger: science, men, women, western society, the World, rational thought, irrational thought, and so on. Often, the anger is accompanied by a paranoid conviction that whatever is being criticized is Out To Get Us. If I may quote one author who seems typical: "Chaos IS the Will of the Gods. The constant battle of humanity to have things their way simply creates a vortex of energies upon which Chaos can impinge." He goes on with a long list of man-made and natural disasters as proof of his contention. In other words, the world is basically evil, and all good is an illusion. Christian Science turned on its head. Now, my questions are: Is this anger typical of long-term chaos magicians? If not, why does it appear so extensively in the literature? Where are the HAPPY chaos magicians? Did these people get into chaos magick because they are angry and paranoid? Or did they become angry and paranoid by doing chaos magick? (I note in passing that both anger and paranoia are typical characteristics of qliphotic entities, so the latter option seems a real possibility in my uninformed mind.) Anybody care to comment? * SLMR 2.1a * Does Atlantis have the Buddha-nature? Mu! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 14 Jul 92 13:47:06 Subject: Chaos International Rec'd UpdReq >They used to accept American cash, but the latest Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. * SLMR 2.1a * Jesus saves...Passes to Moses...He shoots... He Scores!! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Nachash 14 Jul 92 14:18:08 Subject: Re:Assistance Required UpdReq >I would be more than honored to carry anything you have written here >on Mumbo Jumbo Kathedral, I'll be glad to send them down when I get them set up. I'm currently comparing my disk files against my hardcopies, and found that more papers are missing from disk than I expected. Apparently they got lost when I transferred between machines a couple of years ago. If I can't get my damned scanner to work, I'll have to retype them. Yuk! Let me ask you the same questions I asked Neuro: 1) can your machine read 1.2 meg 5" PC format disks, or 3" 1.4 meg disks? If not, I'll have to see about transferring the files to something you can read. 2) as far as text formats go, do you prefer files with a carriage return / linefeed pair at the end of every line, or just at the end of every paragraph? The former are easier for online readers to deal with, the latter are easier to reformat for printing with a word-processor. Another problem: what can we do about diagrams? I'm set up to convert between several popular formats, but none of them are universal. I'm open to suggestions. >You can rest assured that I will follow your guidlines and restrictions >as well on my end although I am sure that you understand that we sysops >have no control over what a user does with a file once it has been >downloaded from our boards. Of course, the same situation applies to >any text. My basic policy is that any sort of free distribution -- electronic or hardcopy -- is OK. It's people who sell copies for profit that get my goat. But it seems to me that the best solution to that is to make them so widely available that there's no advantage for the ripoff artists. I'd love it if there were a widely-accessable national net for electronic documents. Well, maybe in a few years. BTW, would you mind explaining what "LHP" means? We're always behind the times here in Cincinnati, and I hadn't seen that particular piece of jargon before I got back on the boards in April. * SLMR 2.1a * Five tons of wax! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 12 Jul 92 15:03:00 Subject: Magazines Rec'd UpdReq > another British magazine, Chaos International, may be worthwhile to you. > I can post the address if you like. It focuses just on Chaos and how > Chaos Magicians relate to various issues. Very good quality in general. I would like the address to this. Someone else mentioned it recently but didn't know the address. -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Night Side To: Amazon Lil 15 Jul 92 19:17:56 Subject: Bate Cabal Info Sent UpdReq Thanks for the info! :) Pax et Nox! 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 15 Jul 92 20:02:52 Subject: Moderatorship Sent UpdReq FA> btw, is you look in that Time-Life book on "Witch- FA> craft" or "Magick Rituals" or something like FA> that, there is a picture of a bunch of German FA> magicians working in a cellar..... I'll try to FA> find out exactly what page.... At any rate, do FA> you know if they are IOT or EOD or what? The FA> picture looks somewhat familliar. :) Pax. 93 Give me the page number and I'll tell you what I can. (It's undoubtedly not a picture of me, since I'm "nobody" and therefore known nowhere. ];-) ) ^^^^ long chin (thanx a lot, Markie!) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Nachash 15 Jul 92 20:07:32 Subject: RE:ASSISTANCE REQUIRED Sent UpdReq Ex-Frater Nephren-Ka has requested that all addresses be deleted from Night Side files relating to the now-dormant Esoteric Order of Dagon. Thanks in advance! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Frater Q.A.A. 15 Jul 92 20:12:00 Subject: New Orleans Sent UpdReq FQ> Hint: it involves NYC and some of the Necro-Youth FQ> I've observed at Magickal Childe. Note: some of those "Necro-Youth" MAY be HIV Positive, as the owner, Herman Slater, has stated publicly that he is. Not a condemnation at all -- just an observation.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Frater Q.A.A. 15 Jul 92 21:16:12 Subject: New Orleans Sent UpdReq >fourth Vampire Party FQ> or a bunch of LARP Vampire: the masquerade Anne Rice Obsessor's That's what I was referring to, the Anne Rice crowd. There is a variety of people. Lot's of fantasy buffs and a few serious vampire devotees... FQ> I'd be very interested in speaking to individuals FQ> that utilize vampirism in their workings. Exactly what type of vampirism do you have in mind? I may qualify. FQ> Especially since I'm writing a play with a unique FQ> twist on Vampirism. (very little too do with Blood FQ> Sucking) I'd love to discuss that with you as I'm writing a play (or at least intending to) that has nothing to do with vampires at all. I recommend that you don't put `unique' aspects on public echos though, as you never know who may be, shall we say, inspired by your ideas. FQ> Hint: it involves NYC and some of the Necro-Youth FQ> I've observed at Magickal Childe. I've only been to NYC once and did get to do some serious people watching as I tried to keep my unruly kid from tearing down the shop by hanging out in front of Magical Childe while my companion whiled away the hours looking through all the deepest dustiest corners...can't complain though because that was when he got `Theatre of Magick' which we may never have found otherwise. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Amazon Lil 15 Jul 92 21:23:22 Subject: Dark, dark and dusty.... Sent UpdReq AL> AOS huh? I think that AZO would be more amused by I think AOS would be very amused by AZO, and no doubt understand the joke better than anyone short of Murphy's law. (snicker) Praise AZO! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Grendel 15 Jul 92 21:25:26 Subject: Chaos International Sent UpdReq In case you didn't see the post to JN, Chaos International BM SORCERY London WC1N England 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Josh Norton 15 Jul 92 21:37:24 Subject: A question for discussio Sent UpdReq JN> Where are the HAPPY chaos magicians? Right here. Ok, here we go. If your dictionary is the same as mine (OED) and you look up the word chaos, you'll see a big difference in the definitions. One is in reference to primal creative energy, this is MY kind of chaos magic. Third in my dictionary is the `confusion and disorder' definition. Even that one requires at least two perspectives. The Erisians/Discordians enjoy this kind of chaos in a lighthearted, alternate perspective way, while the people you've obviously been reading are apparantly looking to spread dissent out of their own dissatisfactions. I would discount those `writers'. Who are they anyway? There are people in the world who insist on being angry for all the little imagined or otherwise injustices that life brings. It';s an attitude problem. They often gravitate toward some form of darkside magic because they are looking for the version of darkness that the xtians try to make us beleive in, and when they find that darkside magic isn't inherently evil they get mad at that too. No sense of humour at all. I've known a few of these people, only one ever had magic that worked at all, and all he can do is make people die when they piss him off. meanwhile, he's still unhappy and insists on staying that way. Darkside magic requires a sense of humour and of perspective. To look into the hidden parts of yourself and simply accept it as a part of your whole self, is what it's really all about. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Josh Norton 15 Jul 92 21:48:34 Subject: Re:Assistance Required Sent UpdReq JN> BTW, would you mind explaining what "LHP" means? JN> We're always behind the JN> times here in Cincinnati, and I hadn't seen that particular piece of JN> jargon before I got back on the boards in April. LHP=Left Hand Path=anything outside of the general `white light and healing' magic that the Wiccans approve of=darkside magic. I didn't know you were in Cincinnati, do you read Mezlim? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 15 Jul 92 21:52:04 Subject: Long chin Sent UpdReq CN> and therefore known nowhere. ];-) ) ^^^^^^^^^^ I thought that one was just your open mouth during one of your famous belches... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Sean Dedanaan Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 13 Jul 92 12:19:58 Subject: demonic kids in theaters UpdReq MC>Considerate Hell! Have you ever tried to hold a squirming, MC>screaming kid still and shut her up and still try to watch MC>a movie yourself? Can't be done, they just get louder. i MC>put the little shit to bed and THEN go put the video MC>in...glass of wine, get my knitting out maybe...relaxation is an MC>art form. What I get a kick out of is watching parents who bring the "little ones" to a restaurant, get their food and just turn them loose to run and play in the place. They ignore them as they climb all over other patrons, play with the salad bar or buffet, etc. Some folks just have no respect for the rights of others. Sounds like you've got a good idea there, what with the video and the wine - I might try that myself tonight (and I don't even have any kids ). Sean 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 15 Jul 92 22:41:04 Subject: Re: New Orleans Sent UpdReq -=In a missive of 15 Jul 92 20:12:00, Charles Nemo said to Frater Q.A.A.=- (regarding Re: New Orleans) FQ> Hint: it involves NYC and some of the Necro-Youth FQ> I've observed at Magickal Childe. CN> CN> Note: some of those "Necro-Youth" MAY be HIV Positive, as the owner, CN> Herman Slater, has stated publicly that he is. Not a condemnation at CN> all -- just an observation.... Stated publicly? He died of the complications last Thurday morning. LAShTAL! ... Sit down, you're rocking the boat! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718