From: Balanone Area: Night Side To: All 10 Jun 92 03:01:44 Subject: Offline UpdReq Dear Friends and Others, I've just received notice that Northern Lights will be turned off around June 20. Unless something happens to change the known situation, I will be offline at that time since no other local BBS that I know of carries occult echoes. I believe all Setians have my personal address. Any others who wish to contact me may do so Snail Mail addressed to Balanone, c/o Temple of Set, POB 470307, San Francisco, CA. 94147 It's been fun. Balanone PP ... In case of doubt, make it sound convincing. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Darklord Subject: Re: Satanism and Socialism UpdReq In a message dated 07 Jun 92 15:12:00, Darklord wrote: GD> Germany has a socialized school system. Intelligent kids are often GD> overlooked for scholarships in favor of some other political/finacial GD> significant student. AND, you have once again confused communism GD> with socialism. D> True equality can only be achieved through the philosophy of D> communism. Why do you think this? Form what or whom did you get this view. It is unTrue. D> The U.S. has the best Collegic program in the world and it D> is under a capitalistic system. I'm sure Japan might find your faith in American education very amuzing. GD> D> Well in a democratic society we can only hope to do what is best GD> D> for the majority. If people die so be it. If you want everyone to GD> D> have medical care and be equal move to a more communistic society. And to hell with the individual? You have to stop confusing communism with socialism if we are to continue this debate. What if YOU were dying? Would you feel the same way? D> I question the government more than you. I just feel that socialism is D> not the way to go. I only said Socialism would be a better system than the one we have now. D> I believe scratch this government and start over. I want a losely D> connected society with out government introverntion. I agree. How would you do it if it was up to you to re-shape the already existing one? D> If you can't afford health care, well die then it is not the governments D> responsibility. Who's responsability is it then? I will try to remember what you say the next time I visit an AIDS hospise. GD> I assure you that with what we spend on 1 day on the military we GD> could feed most of the hungry in this country. D> But, why should we. If we kept everyone alive and healthy then the D> U.S. would get over populated. Someone in the White House would create a war if the country got too over populated. Vietnam was such a war...what better way to lower the unemployment in the country than taking "hippies" and marching them off to some jungle somewhere. GD> In a capitalist society, where money is the ultimate goal; you would GD> die waiting for a transplant. D> Well you should of had more money I guess. I guess. GD> GD> Dependence is something that does occur in some socialist GD> GD> societies...the intelligent ones have learned to deal with the GD> GD> problem. GD> D> Dependence should not be allowed. If you have to rely on the GD> D> government their is something wrong with you. Man was made to be self GD> D> sufficient and if he isn't their is a defect and should not be put on GD> D> the burden of the rest of society. GD> Unless, of course, society is the reason that man is becoming les, GD> and less sifficient. Think about it. D> Not society neccesarily, but peoples dependence on it causes the D> problems. Perhaps you haven't yet woken up to the fact that government DOES want people to depend on it...it is the only way it can exist. About Socialist Europe: GD> Like what? They lead us in medicine, science, etc. We are the big GD> playground bully with lots of money, we concer ourselves with being GD> superior and stronger. WHile we continue to stroke ourselves Europe GD> laughs. D> Well then why has most of the drugs and scientific breakthroughs D> come from the U.S. ? You've got to be kidding! How about reveling some sources for this statement? GD> D> And our government is not getting fat, the defict grows each day. The GD> D> third largest budget in the world is the U.S. welfare area(U.S. GD> D> News and World Report). GD> Perhaps you'd like to compare this figure against military spending? GD> THAT, my firend, is the problem...not the 15% we spend on social GD> programs. D> Next years budget will spend more on welfare the on the Military. I challenge you to provide some source for this statement. It is a flat out lie. If we DID spend more on social programs than on military ones we wouldn't have anyone going hungry or lacking medical care. GD> D> Money can't solve the problem, only self independence can. GD> Yes, it is certanly easier and more productive to put the blame on GD> the people than to lower military spending. D> Lowering military spending would not solve the problem. You are D> the one that has been fed the bullshit from the government about if D> we cut defense we can provide everything for the people. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to know that if we cut military spending we COULD feed everyone who is hungry. What government is feeding me bullshit? AT least I could prove everything that I say with figures...can you? Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Night Side To: Jadian 8 Jun 92 22:03:00 Subject: Re: WICCA In a message to somebody who is not me you wrote: JA>Thanks ! I have been looking for a way to meet others who JA>serve the lord and lady. this seems to be a great place to JA>talk with others and not fear that you will be scorned, or JA>worse catch hell from the cowens. You might want to check out the WICCA echo if the BBS you are calling carries it. If not, if you can tell me where you are calling from, I'll look up some BBS numbers for you. There aren't a lot of wiccans on this echo, as most wiccans DON'T like to talk with Left-Hand-Path people (It confuses them, I guess? }:-). If you are "looking for a way to meet others who serve the lord and lady" , or that serve ANYONE or ANYTHING, boy, have you come to the wrong message base! But if you are interested in what the "other side" believes, you will find the "denizens of the night side" here to be more tolerant of discussion than most wiccans that you will meet! As for that part about "catching hell", well... May you never thirst! NRRYS ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X If there are no gods, who pops up the next kleenex? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nrrys Area: Night Side To: Gerald Del Campo 8 Jun 92 22:07:00 Subject: Re: SATANISM AND SOCIALI In a message to DARKLORD you wrote: GDC>Here you have something: There are more doctors in the state of California GDC>than in the whole country of Canada. I believe that someone from Canada told me that there are more PEOPLE in California than in all of Canada! Thou art god! NRRYS ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for VALUABLE prizes! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Darklord 10 Jun 92 04:04:00 Subject: Re: SATANISM AND SOCIALISM In a message dated 07 Jun 92 15:12:00, Darklord wrote: GD> Here you have something: There are more doctors in the state of GD> California than in the whole ocuntry of Canada. The fact that people GD> are greedy shouldn't surprise you. Why make 50,000 a year saving GD> lives when you could service the rich and well-off in a country that GD> doesn't regulate doctors for 100,000 a year? Also, people in Canada GD> DO NOT wait 6 months for surgery; this propaganda is spewed by GD> special interest groups who do not want medicine socialized...namely: GD> AMA. insurance companies, FDA, etc. D> Well, for most surgery there is a wait( up to 6 mon.), and some D> surgeries can not be done in Canada because there is no one D> proficient in the type of procedure needed to be done so they have to D> came to the U.S. I heard these reports as well...from the AMA, the FDA, and Insurance companies. I know MANY people who live in Canada; and they report that this is a farce. The Canadian government ALSO claims this is a farce. GD> D> We do have representation. If you don't like your GD> representation do something to change it. GD> Like what? Voting? Our representativesa re doing a fine job GD> representing us, but we have a trigger happy President who sides with GD> big business and vetos everything that "we, the people" have voiced. D> Hey, I didn't like Bush from the start. It is everybody else that D> voted for him. I wasn't blamining you for his election. If voting were effective it would be illegal. GD> Germany has a socialized school system. Intelligent kids are often GD> overlooked for scholarships in favor of some other political/finacial GD> significant student. AND, you have once again confused communism GD> with socialism. D> True equality can only be achieved through the philosophy of D> communism. Please explain this, or quote so reputable source for this statement. It is untrue. And sad that you feel this way. D> The U.S. has the best Collegic program in the world and it is under a D> capitalistic system. I'd like to see some statistics on this as well, since all of my data tends to indicate that we have the worst schooling in the "free" world. GD> D> It is in my opinion that the only duty of the federal government GD> D> is to profide for a national defense and to insure the protection of GD> D> our people at home and abroad from agretion or violation of there GD> D> human rights by a country or organazation. Do we have that protection if our own government choses to violates our rights? The War of Drugs farce as been used as a toll to strip decent people from their basic constitutional rights. I don't see our governmnt running to the rescue. GD> If you want to kill yourself using drugs, that is your perogative. GD> But don't make citizens pay for a non-existant war. Treatment and GD> education are the keys to doing away with the drug proble. D> I have no problem with people using drugs as long as it doesn't D> affect anybody else. We need both the treatment and the protection on D> the borders. We wouldn't need the protection around the borders (or the billions of dollars a year to accomplish this) if there easn't such a demand...not to mention the financial releif dealing drugs presents. Legalize drugs and the price plummets. Suddenly it isn't very profiatable to sell drugs anymore. The addicted will be able to afford all the drugs they want, and will either die of some overdose, or wise-up and get clean. The rest of the money can be used for treatment centers and anti-drug education. The problem is, that our government makes too much money and profits frrom the War on Drugs...so ir is not likely to occur until such a time that the powers that be can focus the people's attention on another make-belief enemy which requires even more money. GD> D> As for the poor common soldier's survivors they get military and GD> D> social security compensation until they are 21. GD> Gee. Well that makes me feel alot better about dying for a country GD> that has done nothing but lie to me. SO what? Do you think this is GD> a fair price for life? D> Well lets see. $300 a month for 21 years. Yeah thats close enough D> for me. The government is not a mericle worker, it can not bring D> people back to life. I find it interesting that you approve of the value our government has placed on human life. To die for a just and righteous cause is one thing. To die as a puppet of some fat rich 4 star general sitting at the White House is an attrocity. Vietnam is a perfect example of such conflicts. Continued later. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718