From: Frendal Fundari Area: Mundane To: Amethyst 29 Oct 94 12:12:00 Subject: Re: Anouncement UpdReq Amethyst, I can understand your view on this, and Paul's as well. But I have another view point to this issue myself. How do you think it would feel to be the MAN in this situation? At one time, I had a girlfriend who I had become intimate with. We practiced "SAFE SEX". She was on the pill, and I used a comdom with spermicide every time we had sex. After a while, we had a falling out, as so many couples do. About 2 weeks or so after we broke up, we found out that she was pregnant. (And she was not promiscuous.) Now, she wanted an abortion. I, personally, am for the freedom of choice, but not just the woman's choice. I wanted my child more than anything in the world, but I would not go back to her because she was preg. with my child. As the father, I feel I should have some say in the matter too. I did not ask her to raise the child, I would have been more than happy to do so. We discussed the options between us, despite not being on the best of terms with each other. Well, about a week later, I discover she went on to a clinic and had an abortion without even letting me know she was doing it. To top it off, she didn't tell me herself, it was a mutual friend of ours that did. Since the day I found that out, I spoke with her once. And that was a nasty conversation at that. I pride myself on being a gentleman, but that day, I nearly lost all the self control I had left. Even after confronter her, she still would not admit doing it, even though her mom was the one that took her. I let her know how I felt about it all, and finally she did admit to it, after I told her how I knew she had done it. Now, this is still a very raw spot in my life. I am pagan, and do respect life in all its myriad of forms, but I also know not everyone has the same beliefs as I do. They still should have the right to choose, even if I see it as a tragedy. I would not even date for a year after it happened, until I met my wife. She helped me come to terms with what had happened, or else I would never have been able to write this msg about it. Although I am still sad about the loss of my child and have serious trouble telling anyone about it, or with the subject of Abortion itself, I can now do it. (Albeit rather difficultly, my hands are just shaking out of control right now... Not to mention the queasiness of my stomache...) I know she must have gone through alot to make this decision as well, and now, I can accept that. It doesn't make it any easier, but it appened. I do not hate her for what she did, but I also cannot forgive her for it either. Its just best to move on sometimes. You see, I could not help anyone walk into a clinic either, but I would never try to stop them. Education would help tremendously with the subject, but Contraceptives can always fail. (My brother-in-law has had 4 pill babies...) The true thing that needs to be done is for the individuals involved to take responcibility for what happened, wether to raise the child together, seperately, or to place the child for adoption. (Although if your child is not adopted as a new-borne, the chances for adoption grow exponentially smaller ever year of the childs life.) I hope you don't mind my jumping into this tread, but it struck a cord in my spirit. Blessed Be, Frendal Fundari ... It's unsettling to discover that we're wrong. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Silverwing Area: Mundane To: RAINLAKE 1 Nov 94 12:58:02 Subject: Luuna UpdReq In regards to: Luuna... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-={ You Stated... }=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -> Luuna is the name that was burned into my mind during one of my -> meditations a while back that equates with the feminine aspects (all -> of the Divine (or at least to me). -> I know that doesn't do much to explain this, but there really ar -> words that would do it justice. S'okay, I think I understand. I can't get across to most people how I feel at a crossroads by moonlight when the Lady Hecate chooses to make herself felt, either. Some stuff is just too damn big to fit into language. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-={ My Reply... }=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Most emphatically agreed! May the blessings of Luuna shine upon you, now and always... lvwg Origin: Mountain Serenity, Denver, Colorado USA @93:9903/2 "Walk always within Her light..." Reply is: Not Needed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ...In the immortal words of Socrates..."I drank WHAT?" 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Mundane To: Paladin 1 Nov 94 08:21:56 Subject: Re: AIDS SCARE!!! UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > Fine. I just lost my local feed. So, I had to find another. :-) I see you posted this one from BaphoNet...I hope that means our messages will be flowing smoothly once more! Seemed to be some kinda problem with the links there for a while. > RD> Funny, he *always* returns my calls...so does his brother Jorge! > > You must have his pager number. :-) Si mon! Or...you goddit, ese! ;> Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Chris Maggio Area: Mundane To: Shadow Weaver 2 Nov 94 15:49:00 Subject: Re: new alias UpdReq In regards to your note about the ansi screen. That was not me. I do not go on Internet no have I ever. You got the wrong Stargazer. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Weaver Area: Mundane To: Chris Maggio 3 Nov 94 06:54:36 Subject: Re: new alias UpdReq I did not say you were on the Internet. I was using that as an example. You missed the point of what I was saying entirely. Your sig is too long. Morgan 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718