From: Rose Dawn Area: Mundane To: Christeos Pir 6 Oct 94 13:01:14 Subject: Re: AIDS SCARE!!! UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > I suspect a scam. I've heard this story -or variations on it- from a > number of different people, each time with local variations (a letter, > written in lipstick on the bathroom mirror, etc.). Eeyup...lipstick on the bathroom mirror was the version I heard. I think it ranks right up there with Kentucky Fried Rats, and babies on the barbie. Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fire Chief Area: Mundane To: QMAIL 21 Sep 94 16:29:00 Subject: CONFIG UpdReq DROP 7013 --- GEcho 1.00 SLMR 2.1a * Origin: Sufficiently Breathless -=> 1-907-451-9465 <=- (93:9042/5) SEEN-BY: 102/943 382/502 9000/10 9005/0 9007/0 9008/0 9010/0 9020/0 9030/0 SEEN-BY: 9040/0 3 6 7 20 9042/0 4 5 8 9060/0 9081/0 9090/0 9100/0 9200/0 SEEN-BY: 9300/0 9400/0 3 23 9420/0 9430/0 9500/0 9600/0 7 8 39 9601/0 9603/0 SEEN-BY: 9605/0 9608/0 9609/0 9610/0 9620/0 9630/0 9640/0 9660/0 9697/0 SEEN-BY: 9800/0 9900/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Mundane To: All 8 Oct 94 13:20:22 Subject: Syn_Net 1-800 UpdReq Mac Maguire joins Syndicate_Net as the new Reg500 Coordinator and 806 (Amarillo TX) host. Mac is also running his mailer off a 1-800 number, so this service is available for toll-free mail pickups and so forth. His listing appears as of the new nodelist which I just compiled and ticked out. Mac also appears in the Fido nodelist as node 3816/333 and 3816/334. If folks want to partake of this service, talk to Mac. Any new nodes, of course, need to file application info with me (FREQ magic-name SYN-NET for the info pack) for proper address assignments before running off to get their mail. :) -TR Syndicate_Net ZC ... When it's time to rock a funky joint, I'm on point. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: RAINLAKE Area: Mundane To: ROSE DAWN 10 Oct 94 01:48:16 Subject: Re: AIDS SCARE!!! UpdReq -> > I suspect a scam. I've heard this story -or variations on it- fro -> > number of different people, each time with local variations (a le -> > written in lipstick on the bathroom mirror, etc.). -> -> Eeyup...lipstick on the bathroom mirror was the version I heard. I th -> ranks right up there with Kentucky Fried Rats, and babies on the barb You forgot snakes in coat linings at K-Mart. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Amethyst Area: Mundane To: Paul Seymour 10 Oct 94 01:30:00 Subject: Abortion stuff in Metaphysical UpdReq I'm sorry, Paul, but I just don't agree with the pro-choice/pro-abortion stance represented here and I have a hard time dealing with the fact that Wiccans have decided to represent either side of the issue. I had an abortion when I was 17, and in my opinion it was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life. Granted a lot of things that have happened in my life since would never have happened if I had carried the pregnancy to term, but nothing ever hurt me more or had a more lasting negative effect on my mental health. To make matters worse, it happened a short time after we buried my grandmother, a woman I was very close to....much more so than I ever was to my mother...she was the mediator between my mother and I. At the time, I was living with a boyfriend, although I was still a ward of The Catholic Childrens' Aid in Ontario at the time...had simply gotten fed up at one placement and run off and moved in with my boyfriend. I got sick with a cold and went to my mother's doctor, never really having established myself with another physician. When she was about to prescribe something, I mentioned that I was a couple of days late, so she ordered a pregnancy test. When I arrived back at my apartment, the phone was ringing. It was my mother...her doctor had broken confidentiality with me by phoning her at work to tell her that I was having a pregnancy test (I could have sued her, but I had no money to do it with, so she got away with it). Right away, my mother told me that if the test was positive, I was having an abortion. I never had a chance to think for myself, and with my grandmother gone, I felt pressured into doing as my mother demanded of me to keep the peace with her. My grandmother would never have condoned it....and a year later when conversing with her husband, he told me that when I had last visited with them 5 days before my grandmother died, she had turned to him right after I left and told him that I was pregnant. She just knew somehow...almost a month before I did. I would only have been 3 or 4 weeks along at the time. It hurt to know that...it was the closest she came to being a great-grandmother in her life. I was referred to the sleeziest Gynacologist I've ever met who said things like "So you got yourself into trouble, did you, and you need me to bail you out?" He made me feel like trash and never let me say anything for myself. He insisted that I would go on the pill after the "proceedure" and when I asked him about side effects he told me to shut up and do as I was told, because he never wanted to see me in his office again (which was fine with me...I never would have gone to a doctor like that if I felt I'd had any choice at all in the matter). The doctor also insisted that I arrive at the hospital with $200.00 cash in an envelope, a portion of which would be reimbursed by OHIP. I don't know why this was necessary, but I suspect it had something to do with a bribe to sway the abortion committee's decision. It all sounded pretty sleezy and made me feel really disgusting about the entire thing. It all hit me however, what I was doing, as I started to go under from the anesthetic, by which time it was too late. When I awoke in the recovery room, the nurses were abrupt and treated me like they just didn't give a damn about me. I felt like shit and I couldn't talk to anyone for days. My mother, however was elated that her reputation (as if putting me under the care of the Province of Ontario at the age of 14 made no difference) had been spared. It took 8 more years, until a year after my youngest daughter was born, to finally heal from the pain of post-abortion trauma syndrome. It was worsened each time I held one of my newborn daughters in my arms. I felt sick with grief and guilt. Each December I mourned over a birthday that had never come. No one understood. My mother told me I was an idiot for feeling anything at all over "a meaningless lump of tissue that would have wrecked my life." As it was, I had to fight to bring my eldest into the world. I purposely avoided contact with my mother and step-father until I was past 12 weeks so she couldn't force me to have another abortion. When I told her, she insisted that I'd have another until I told her it was too late...if she could have afforded to, she would have shipped me somewhere where the legal limit extended the entire pregnancy. My friends thought I should do it, too. Erinn's own father wanted me to and tried to talk me into it. I stood up to every one of them screaming "NO! Never again will I kill my child to convenience someone else!" I wanted Erinn more than anything in this world, and whatever it took, I would have her and raise her and love her more than my own life. And no one would ever make me wish I hadn't. Now she's going on 12 years and she's the most beautiful little girl! She's in grade 6, and has received gold medals on the honour roll for the last 2 school years and this past spring, a math proficiency award for kindergarten-grade 5. Every teacher she's had has told me what a joy she is to teach. She is helpful and a joy in my life. We are so close and share practically everything. No one in this world could ever make me regret having her, and I would make anyone who ever hurt her pay dearly for it. And by Goddess, the young man she marries had better be worthy of her...he's going to have be pretty damned special to deserve her! You see, Paul, I wouldn't be one of the people escorting those pregnant women into the abortion clinic. I'd be one of the ones standing outside and imploring them..."Do you really know what you're doing, or how you're going to feel about it tomorrow, or the next day, next week, next year, or the first time you hold your newborn in your arms? Can anyone really prepare you for that, least of all your companions?" Can you, Paul or this organization prepare these women for how they're going to feel then? Yes, you're giving them a choice, but can you deal with how they're going to feel about that choice later? Are you going to understand the guilt and the shame they'll feel, or are you just going to say, "it was just a meaningless lump of tissue that would have wrecked your life" or "get over it already!" It took me 8 miserable years! Are these people prepared to compassionately support women who get an abortion for that long (cont'd) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Amethyst Area: Mundane To: Paul Seymour 10 Oct 94 00:54:42 Subject: Anouncement UpdReq (cont'd from last message) afterwards? If they can't, then they should just back off and stay out of it. We don't all bounce back. We aren't all acting out of a choice that was made solely by us alone. Sometimes there are pressures that people don't see and don't ask about. Sometimes these "pro-choice" escort groups are the most selfish people in the world. They just want another victory for their side. They don't care how these women feel if they can stick their tongues out at the pro-lifers and say that they got another one in there. They don't always give the information these women need to make the right choice. Do they show them what their baby looks like at the stage they are aborting and discuss its development? Do they tell them that there is such a thing as post-abortion trauma syndrome and how it can give them years of depair and remorse, including moments of comtemplated suicide? I know it's real, but everyone around me claimed I was just being silly and told me to grow up and get over it! Does anyone ever think to warn them what they may be in for and offer to help them pick up the pieces later? Does anyone even CARE about these women after their 6 week follow-up visit? They didn't give a damn about me and I was always too ashamed to discuss it with strangers. They just don't care about being truthful because they know the truth will scare the women off. Maybe no woman would choose to abort if they knew the truth and perhaps that's as it should be. Today, I cannot say that I am pro-choice or pro-life. I disagree with the aims and tactics of both sides. The pro-lifers won't have me because of my past and my beliefs, and the pro-choicers make me sick with their dishonest attitude towards the women they claim to help. I want no part of either of them. I think they should just pack up their signs and barricades and go home and live their own lives with their noses out of everyone else's. Neither of them were there for me when I needed to give life or have a choice in it, so what good are they? I had to fight for Erinn all alone against so much opposition...and thank Goddess I had the strength to! I believe that when the gods make a life, they are creating a sacred thing and no one has the right to end it before its time. I really believe that abortion goes completely against the Wiccan Rede. Do Wiccans really think that an embryo is not a form of life while a plant is? Do people who wouldn't kill a fly believe in killing an unborn child? Isn't that just a little contradictory?! Perhaps someday, my karma will come in the form of watching one of my daughters abort a grandchild. I know I will be heartbroken. I hope that I will have the wisdom to still love that daughter no matter how much this act will hurt me, but I will never escort her into the clinic or hold her hand through it. When one of my children decides to kill one of my unborn grandchildren, she acts alone...I will not be there to support this act of selfishness. I will never be there to support any other woman through it, either. It's a selfish, senseless act of violence against a life. In an age where so many loving people are childless and long to have a baby and there are so many methods of contraception, there is no need for it. Every child conceived in this world is wanted by someone, somewhere, and every woman should have the sense and decency to take responsibility for her sexuality. I thank the Goddess every day that my selfishness wasn't repaid with sterility. I have been blessed 3 times over for the mistake I made. I don't deserve the blessings I have, but I certainly don't intend to take them for granted by ever making the same mistake again, nor would I ever help another to make that mistake and get caught up in her karma, either. I can accept it if the woman would certainly die by carrying the pregnancy to term, but in the case of convenience, which is what it is 95% of the time, there's no excuse for it. Even rape shouldn't be an excuse...it's not the child's fault who his father is and what he did to his mother...why punish the child for the crime of his father with a death penalty? And as for children who are stricken with defects and abnormalities, that's a chance you take when you create a new life...it can't always be perfect. That's not the way the world works. And if the Goddess decides that child is to be and the woman carrying it or the one who adopts it was meant to be its mother, She must in Her infinite wisdom know what She is doing. I don't believe for one second that the Goddess I love would create a life in vain with the intent of it being destroyed by the often cruel hand of mankind. There simply can't be anything more selfish than a woman using her right to her own life to destroy the life of her unborn child because it isn't convenient or acceptable for her to carry to term and deliver the child inside her. You may not agree with me, but that is how I feel about it. I'm not pro-life, or pro-choice, but I am anti-abortion. I will not stand around a clinic and block the way, but I will never accompany anyone into it, either, nor will I ever support or applaud anyone who does. That may fit in with YOUR Wicca, Paul, but it sure as hell doesn't even come close to mine! Nevertheless, it doesn't change the respect and love I have for you as your sister in the craft. BB -=Amethyst=- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Mundane To: Rainlake 11 Oct 94 09:39:42 Subject: Re: AIDS SCARE!!! UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > You forgot snakes in coat linings at K-Mart. ROTFL!! I missed that one! Hmmm...I think that might be kinda kewl...buy a coat at K-Mart, we'll throw in a snake at no extra charge! ;> Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Styxx Area: Mundane To: Amethyst 12 Oct 94 00:42:00 Subject: Re: AIDS scare!!! UpdReq Am> What she found inside that package was "something special" alright, Am> and something really sickening, too. In the box, she found a black Am> coffin (obviously from some kind of "voodoun novelty store") with a Am> white rose painted on it and the note said Am> "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF AIDS!" I believe I've heard of this before. I think there is a group called the White Rose Coalition or Federation or something similar. What they supposedly do is after sleeping with someone, leave a white rose and a letter saying "Welcome to the wonderful world of aids" on the pillow and leave. I think it's a pretty widespread thing. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718