From: Lady Witch Area: Mundane To: Fir 10 Jun 94 23:41:00 Subject: Re: NY Chit Chat UpdReq >Don't think so. Meryll and I were comparing names to see who >we knew in common and I think she asked me if I knew you. >I left NY the fall of '81 shortly after Tzipora's daughter was >born. Did you perhaps attend the weekend workshop that Starhawk gave Blue Star that summer of '81???? At the covenstead in Queen's???? I've been wondering if perhaps we have bumped noses before.... LW 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Urhla Area: Mundane To: Liana 10 Jun 94 14:07:36 Subject: YUM UpdReq I think that that is a terrific subject to study. Ive always wanted to work with endangered species or be Gerald Durrel's wife. Have you ever been to a biosphere? As for the piano, I must say that I adore the Chopin concertos. I was brought up by them. I sometimes wish that todays music could be more like Chopin or Mozart. Do you have a catalogue for your used occult bookstore? What is the store called? Alas, I dont have crafts for sale, but I do know one or two people who do. Thanks for the address. Brightest blessings Urhla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mindrimmer Area: Mundane To: Gwenny The Pooh 11 Jun 94 00:24:06 Subject: greenhouse UpdReq If I remember correctly, Gwenny The Pooh recently said: GTP> All right....I'm a terrible person because I believe that humans have GTP> a right to live and grow and maybe learn to live in harmony with their GTP> environment... or because I believe that we are natural and Mom GTP> wouldn't have made us without a reason....maybe you will all get lucky GTP> and the next time I'm cutting firewood I'll hit one of those spikes GTP> put in trees by the wonderful eco-terrorists and die....after all, GTP> it's alright to kill humans, even if they aren't doing anything wrong, GTP> because they are human. I know I haven't been part of your argument, but I'd like to throw my two cents in anyway. I too believe that humans have a right to live and grow on the planet. But I don't believe we have a right to destroy it wantonly, as we've been doing for some time now. I too believe that we need to learn to live in harmony with our environment. But I don't believe that the people with the huge financial stakes in ruining the environment--the loggers and the miners and the government agencies that protect them--care one whit about learning to live in harmony with the environment; only if we can prove to them that being environmentally conscious will put money in their pocket will they ever stop. I too believe that we are natural and Mom wouldn't have made us without a reason. But I also believe that a lot of us humans are users and destroyers, and that sometimes even monkey-wrenching can be justified to make the users wake up and stop being so wanton in their destruction. No, I don't believe it's all right to kill humans, under any circumstances. But I do believe that the systematic destruction of the earth and her resources must stop, and that may call for aggressive and direction action. Good feelings about the planet and lots of tree-hugging won't change the minds of corporate boards of directors. But maybe constant legal challenges and high-pressure lobbying--coupled with some judicious vandalism on the front lines--might make them feel it's just not worth it. ... You never get there, because when you do, you're here ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: LIANA Area: Mundane To: MILAMBER 9 Jun 94 21:02:00 Subject: EDIBLES? UpdReq ... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Milamber to Liana ... Li> I've been here over three years now and have yet to experience a Li> decent earthquake (knocking wood). Mi> Oh...three years, huh? Means you missed Loma Prieta. We won't be Mi> having another for a good while yet, the fault lines are still Mi> recovering. Sorry to disappoint you... er... I'm hardly disappointed! Somehow I don't imagine that a major earthquake is equitable to, say, the Whirling Teacups at DisneyLand ;) Now, where I'm from, we worried more about tornados and floods. The Mother has her own methods of keeping things balanced, yes? Blessed Be. -l ... There is nothing useless in nature; not even uselessness itself ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: LIANA Area: Mundane To: ARAIGUMA 9 Jun 94 21:03:00 Subject: EDIBLES? UpdReq ... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Araiguma to Liana ... Ar> Scarily enough, my mother's place has a type of this decor, what with Ar> all of the antique utensils hanging all over the place. No gingham Ar> bows on them, though, which would push it over the edge. Li> I should think... all those utensils, crashing to the ground. Ar> Luckily, it's not as earthquake-prone as these parts, though quakes Ar> are not at all uncommon there. Li> I've been here over three years now and have yet to experience a Li> decent earthquake (knocking wood). Ar> I've only felt one myself...and only because I think I was just about Ar> on top of the fault line (at work last fall...about a 3.1 or so.) It's strange... we have earthquake drills at work... and they talk about getting under your desk or under a doorway is a good thing. And I'm thinking that a good thing would be to sprout wings 'cause the earth is *moving* and I'd like *off* 'till she's done, thanks! Li> Hey... roommate and I were just wondering if there's anything you can Li> do with pears. Ar> Umm, eat them? I think I've got a recipe for pear-ginger coffee cake Ar> around somewhere, too. Mmm... that sounds good. We did find a good sounding recipe for Rhubarb-Pear Bread. I'm going to whomp some up this weekend. Blessings! -l ... "I think not," said Descartes, and promptly disappeared ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Paul Seymour Area: Mundane To: All 12 Jun 94 16:24:38 Subject: Update UpdReq Witches Against Religious Discrimination (W.A.R.D.) Colorado State Chapter Paul G. Seymour, Director P.O. Box 41952 Colorado Springs, CO 80949-9152 (719) 380-7885 "Midsummer Working" -- an Update 06-12-1994 At the end of May 1994, we took action to call for community support for religous and cultural plurality and diversity. This call was prompted by published accounts of the imminent arrival of the Coalition On Revival (COR) and reports to us from the community that Pat Robertson was coming to Colorado Springs with the Christian Coalition to "rally the troops". To our perceptions, the confluence of the two events could create a situation with volatile potential. With little time to respond, we acted. Subsequent research into the situation by a large number of Colorado Springs area citizens and organizations has established that: 1) COR has not gained the ability to establish it's "Kingdom College" in the Colorado Springs area this fiscal year; 2) Transcript searches of the "700 Club" television broadcast, the alleged source of Mr. Robertson's statement, have failed to substantiate the allegation. Further efforts to contact the Robertson organization are being pursued to make final disposition of this issue. This outcome is considered very desirable by W.A.R.D. and other organizations in the Springs region. Life could go on as normal in the Springs. Or could it? Many of us now have a heightened awareness of the potential for confrontation in our community. Many of us in the community feel that the call for a community expression of fellowship and acceptance via prayer, meditation, energy raising or ritual is still valid and necessary. Many of us have experienced problems that can be traced directly to some people's intolerant or bigioted viewpoints. We believe that genuine efforts to sponsor community and tolerence within the Springs region will help avert the spread of these attitudes. Much like many sicknesses, if this is caught early enough, it can be treated without invasive measures. The specific text quoted from the original message calling for community efforts follows: "Our request: each evening at 9:00 p.m. Mountain Daylight Time on June 19th through June 23rd (0300 GMT - 20 JUN through 24 JUN) send us your thoughts, prayers, well wishes, energies to promote love in the hearts of all people in Colorado Springs. Send energies to defend the principles of plurality and religious diversity. Send energies to heal the hatred in the hearts of those who would place their power over us. Send energies to foster community and family in our city." This call for joint effort is a call to all members of the community, and in a larger sense, a call to the world. Let's put down our preconceptions and prejudices, damp down our fears and our conditioning. We must become aware of our community as a community of people. Let's make the effort to become educated about the "other" groups that we have been taught to fear or even hate. An effort to educate and understand each other can result in many outcomes, the worst of which is that we can at least come to "know thy enemy". A better result would be for us to learn to accept and tolerate each other, without fear or prejudice. This is a noble effort. Make the effort. Shed those de-humanizing preconceptions. Learn what your neighbor, and your neighbor's neighbor value and believe. To quote again from the original message text: "We have tried this on small scale with just twenty people in a strictly local ceremony. The effects were dramatic. We now ask the world to join us. Perhaps this healing will spread throughout the world. Lend us your Will!" Our continuing mission: We believe in religious diversity; We believe that all should be free to practice as their path calls; We believe that religious discrimination has no place in our world. At one time Colorado and Colorado Springs was truly the "Garden of the Gods", ALL Gods were welcome here as well as their worshippers! Colorado has been a national leader in its preservation and guarantees for Cultural and Religious Freedoms and Diversity. Now a small but vocal minority of people wish to bring a divisive spirit of petty contention and intolerance to our community. This minority would promote change to a single life view, denying all others as invalid. Our way does not allow for confrontation in any respect. We cannot endorse coercion, be it mental, physical or spiritual. We are dedicated to the return of the original beauty, via promotion of Frienship, Morality and Brotherly Love between ALL men and women of ALL Paths; Mental, Physical and Spiritual! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Weaver Area: Mundane To: Moderator 13 Jun 94 20:45:42 Subject: Metaphysical Pvt UpdReq Good moderator, I think it's time for a repost of the rules for Metaphysical. Too much chit chat going on there. There's even a post by someone telling us all that Jesus is the only way to be saved. I would urge all sysops who carry the Metaphysical echo to make this area READ-ONLY for general users. Helps immensely to keep the chit chat down there. Shadow 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Robin Payton Area: Mundane To: Hoben Spalding 10 Jun 94 05:57:06 Subject: What if Earth First! handicapped the NFLUpdReq > who is tired of philosophising about enviromental issues and, tired > of people wasting their time jumping on ittle things like whether > or not postage stamps use animal based oils instead of stopping all > the wolves from bing killed in Alaska. Postage stamps use animal-based oils? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: Mundane To: Robin Payton 12 Jun 94 16:52:28 Subject: What if Earth First! handicapped the NFLUpdReq On Jun 10 05:57 94, Robin Payton of 93:9004/0@PODNET wrote: >> who is tired of philosophising about enviromental issues >> and, tired of people wasting their time jumping on ittle >> things like whether or not postage stamps use animal based >> oils instead of stopping all the wolves from bing killed in >> Alaska. RP> Postage stamps use animal-based oils? RP> -!- FMail 0.96 RP> ! Origin: Travel to Airebor (913) 284-0359 FAX/DATA RP> (93:9004/0) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings: The above message was found in the METAPHYSICAL echo. The Metaphysical Echo is for *Magazine Style Posts ONLY*. If you want to respond to an article posted in METAPHYSICAL, please do so in either Magicknet (for Magickal oriented subjects) or Mundane, whichever is appropriate. Failure to do so after repeated warnings can eventually result in your being barred from these echos. If you have any problems with this, then respond in the Mundane echo. Thank you for you compliance, Farrell McGovern /Magicknet Moderator Magicknet Trio - Mundane \Metaphysical I am also reachable on Usenet/Internet at: farrellj@pinetree.org ai474@freenet.carleton.ca 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Valkyrie Area: Mundane To: Eric Anderson 14 Jun 94 09:50:06 Subject: Christianity & Wicca UpdReq EA>The Bible also states that Christ is the only, repeat only, name by which me EA>can be saved. This would seem to preclude any other God or Goddess. John, in EA>his first epistle, also states that no one overcomes the world, except those EA>who believe that Jesus is the Son of God. We must overcome to be saved as EA>well. Do these conditions apply to wiccans? Look these scriptures up with EA>your Strongs concordance. Some of us simply don't want to be "saved." We don't want to "overcome" anything except our own faults, nor are we particularly concerned with anyone's mission to save us in spite of ourselves. Ves Heil, V * SLMR 2.1a * [Wynn]...to him who himself has power and blessedness... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718