From:    Diva                                   Area: Mundane
To:      Teejay                                  3 Mar 94 09:49:16
Subject: Dinkaholics*Anon                       UpdReq 

Right, TeeJay!  Worry not, my friendly fiend.
And, never be confused...be CURIOUS.
Check ya when you got the chance!
                      Love ya..
                         Diva



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From:    Diva                                   Area: Mundane
To:      Teejay                                  3 Mar 94 09:52:04
Subject: Dinka*doo Redux                        UpdReq 

Oh, no prob!  Really, no prob.  And if youre in the midst of things, I 
wouldn't think of interrupting a genius at work!
Nevah!
I still think yer cool as well, Teej!!!!!
           Love ya again!
                           Diva


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From:    Teejay                                 Area: Mundane
To:      Diva                                    4 Mar 94 03:49:48
Subject: Dinkaholics*Anon                       UpdReq 

Hey... I AM curious: What am I doing here at 4:00am?! Whay am I not in bed, 
when I KNOW I've gotta be up and out collecting CD's tomorrow morning? What 
is the meaning of life? What is the meaning of ALL of this?!!
Ahhh, I'll take my own advice & crash. I'll chat witcha next week, okay?
Enjoy the incoming, meanwhile. Happy Valentine's day!!
                                                Toodles. TJ



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From:    Vivienne                               Area: Mundane
To:      Valkyrie                                3 Mar 94 23:37:06
Subject: Re: Magic...a Card Game!!              UpdReq 

As afar as MTG goes up here. We have a reasonable selection, well good enough
to have my husband buy out the stock of his favourite hobby shop and gave me 
some for Christmas, in my stocking.  It seems to have a very good following 
too. Especially for a FASA product, finally putting TSR to shame.  Any other 
tid bits on the game will be appreciated, I D/L your previous postings on MTG 
and saved it for my husband who then copied the strategies down.
He then took off down the driveway printouts and game in hand, muttering words
to the effect that he'd be back later... well that was several weeks ago, so 
it must've been a great strategy...<VBG>
B.b.
ViVienne
(and Brian)


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From:    Nightstar                              Area: Mundane
To:      Drui                                    1 Mar 94 23:25:18
Subject: request for aid                        UpdReq 

In a message between Drui and Any Of All, they were heard to say:
 D>      Now - so OK, I admit it, the wizard is me, there are two 
 D> questions the
 D> wizard would like help answering, much much more simple than 
 D> quedstions
 D> about things like how the eco-system of a civilisation helpd 
 D> determine its
 D> cosmology:
 D>     1) why do the people think HE (and his friend wizards up in 
 D> the tower)
 D> are "bigots" because they want to talk about such things, and the 
 D> people
 D> don't consider themselves equally so for scorning such topics?
 D>     2) should he climb back up the tower and he and his friends 
 D> just go on
 D> as they were before he tried coming down?
        Good questions. I thought this confrence was devoted to those things 
precisely. Let me tell you a little story about a different wizard.
    Long ago, there was a sorceress with a magic mirror. And with her magic 
mirror, she communicated to many other sorcerers and sorceresses who also had 
magic mirrors. Slowly, other sorcerers and sorceresses were getting magic 
mirrors and so one said that they should each get three magic mirrors, one so 
they could talk about mundane things, one so they could talk about magick but 
not the theoretical, philisophical, or metaphysical things, and one for 
essays as it were, on the more theoretical or metaphysical things. All agreed 
and they all got their mirrors.
    Then this sorceress moved and in the process, lost her beloved magic 
mirrors. Then, years later, she made herself some new ones to allow her to 
talk to all her old friends again. Except now her friends were gone, no 
longer speaking on the magic mirrors. Instead, other people were using the 
mirrors. But the same three mirrors existed as before and so she connected 
her mirrors to them magically. Only the "essay" mirror was not being used 
that way and the other two mirrors were too clutterred to bother with.
    The sorceress is of course me. I was around when magicknet was one echo 
and during the discussion that led to the "three-headed monster". I moved and 
lost my computer access. Now I own my own.
    This was the place to discuss exactly what you wish to discuss. I got this 
echo specifically for that reason. However, like internet news-groups and 
other fido-net echoes, as an unmoderated confrence (at least that's the way 
it seems), it has fallen into disrepair.
    I do not think you a snob or bigot because you wish to discuss such 
things. I admit some here might call me such as well although I only conceed 
to being an information sponge.
    Assuming there is a moderator which there's suppose to be, what do you 
suppose happenned to him that he's no longer doing his job? Do you think he 
died or something? The others here will hate it if we try to elect another 
moderator who will enforce the rules instead of letting them go on 
lacksidaisily. This is PODS after all, not FIDOnet.
    Do you think we should start a new confrence? In time, unless we keep a 
firm handle on it, it too will fall to the same fate. However, we might be 
able to enjoy it until then. After that, we could always start another 
confrence.
    If we did start a new confrence, what should we call it? What should the 
rules be? Who should moderate it? How should we enforce the rules?
    BTW, I am very interested in how the eco-system of a civilization helps 
determine the cosmology. I'm currently planning to take a degree in 
anthropology and this is right up my alley.
From out of the darkness, ...
    Nightstar



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From:    Drui                                   Area: Mundane
To:      Nightstar                               2 Mar 94 03:02:02
Subject: snobs                 1/               UpdReq 

     Snobs? Oh I get called lots worse than that!
     When I edited Cainteanna na Luise 1984-1990, people would take out
subscriptions and receiving their first issue their reaction would be
either: 1) "this is vile elitist trash - cancel me"; or 2) "this is
wonderful, I want all the back issues!" Almost nobody was inbetween. I'd
get hate mail, and other people wanting multiple subscriptions for their
friends. Of course, since the National Library of Ireland was in the "send
copies of everything" camp, I have my own opinion about "who was what" in
this polarization.... but I admit, I have the habit of doing this. Put it
down to my Irish nature: a friend who lives in Ireland has said "in Canada
somethings are awful and somethings are wonderful, but most things are in
the middle and neither; in Ireland, somethings are absolutely terrible and
somethings are totally marvelous and there's NOTHING left in the middle at
all!" ('T'is true!)
    For example, follows a "recorded announceent":
    Please, when addressing me could you omit the ">quote"s. I remember
what I say, even when I exchange letters with several people simultaneously
with sometimes months between replies.
    The ">quote"s make your reply a great deal MORE difficult to read; one
has to play leap-frog over them.
     Besides, if a person can't remember what s/he says, it must not be
important (or witty) enough for anyone else to bother with.
     When I answer others I give them the respect of assuming they had
something to say which they thought important and know what they say; I ask
only that I be accorded the same respect.
     Computers can be a great help in developing one's mind, or they can be
used just as easily to atrope it, or to brain-wash it into "conventional"
ways of mentally reacting. Not remembering what one says is the latter.
Every English composition course in existance stresses "avoid repeating".
And as for "convention", it qualifies as one of Emerson's "hobgobblins of
little minds".
     We could start a planet-net revolution right here - The Revolt of
People Who Know What They Said. All messages could begin-reference with
ONLY "<IKWIS" ("I know what I said").
     Just think of the bytes we'll save for more worth-while things!
.....
     See, the wizard from the tower is... are you sure you know waht you
getting into exchanging messages with him?
     While egalitarianism s praise-worthy as far as concdernd civil rights
and the rights to food, shelter, and medicial treatment, soon after it
becomes a dangerous mistake: would you accept that a grade-6 drop-out park
vagrant has the right to practice heart surgery? that a blind person has
the right to carry a gun as a night-watchman? that someone who has read a
single paper-back on pop-psychology has the right to advertise and pose as
a clinical psychiatrist? All these people are entitled to OPINIONS about
how to do surgery, guard-work, or counsilling, but to say they should be
entitled to practise them or claim equal status with a true expert - that
qualifies by what 99.99% of people would label, as common sense and not
flame, "stupid and insane".
     Abraham Maslow said that intelligent insightful people had real reason
for constant frustration regarding the wider world, because any even
averagely intelliegent persson coulkd solve every major problem facing
mankind with a pencil anfd paper in half an hour, but none of it would be
done. When Maslow wrote No.1 was Nuclear War. Solution 1) don't make any
more bombs, 2) take all the existing bimbs and send them of into space
aimed of the plain of the solar/galactic exliptic so they wouldn't hurt
anything. END OF PROBLEM NOW AND FOREVER! Of course the macho bigots are
not goinbg to do this. (I too am a bigot, tho I hate people who make bombs
instead of hate people to use them on, so I claim I am a better kind of
bigot than they are!)
   You ask about our own conference?
Proposed Conference for SWOP (if/when higher-ASCII arrives):
General title: Pagan Ontology
(this title is good because if you know what the word MEANS then you're
more likely to have interest in it - "pagan realities" will get people into
"alternate states of consciousness" or "the daily grind and hard facts,
etc. of being pagan" - nifty topics, but on their own conferences!)
Description of general topics:
1) how the reality-view of different paths (including Christianity, Islam,
modern science, but concentrating on both ancient and neo-pagan paths) differ
(i.e. in what ways and in what areas they are incompatable, co-existable, or
inter-relatable).
2) what factors (language is traditionally always assigned importance, thus
the need for higher-ASCII) determine a reality-view, and what are the best
techniques for altering a reality-view (and how these differ between paths
and their respective realities).
3) to what degree, and by what methods, can one live daily-life in modern
(usually but not always urban) Canada in the 1990s within an alternate
reality (which presumably better suits one's path than the "common" one
created and maintained by most "mundane"- or Christian-orientated people).
>>> Continued to next message
___
 X SLMR 2.0 X 


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From:    Jermiin                                Area: Mundane
To:      Drui                                   28 Feb 94 19:11:00
Subject: request for aid                        UpdReq 

Hello Drui!
26 Feb 94 02:26, Drui wrote to Any Of All:
 D>     1) why do the people think HE (and his friend wizards up in the tower)
 D> are "bigots" because they want to talk about such things, and the people
 D> don't consider themselves equally so for scorning such topics?
 D>     2) should he climb back up the tower and he and his friends just go on
 D> as they were before he tried coming down?
Once long ago there was a large grey building. Inside this building lived two 
to three thousand sad people. They spent their days and nights inside this 
building, thinking or not thinking, doing or not doing, what they wished, and 
rarely ventured out. It was not by choice that these people lived within the 
grey building but for most it mattered little.
The people living outside the grey building seldom thought about the sad 
people inside as this would only confuse and frighten them. You see the 
people living inside were not the same as the people living outside this was 
afterall why they built the grey building.
There was a group who thought often about the fate of the sad grey people. 
These were the wizards in white. They devoted their lives to solving the 
problem of the grey people. Sometimes in their efforts to help they lost a 
grey person but this would only make them try harder and think deeper.
It came to pass, after many years of thinking and many more experimenting, 
that the wizards in white developed many magick potions. So many magick 
potions that almost there was one for every person living in the grey 
building. These they gave to those that would drink and to them the wizards 
in white showed the door and said "go outside and join your fellow men as you 
are now the same".
The wizards stood within the grey building well pleased with their work and 
said "Look at what we have achieved, where once there was two to three 
thousand sad people there is now only a handful."
On hearing this one of the remaining grey people remarked "Before we had two 
to three thousand sad people living inside and now we have two to three 
thousand sad people living outside.".
Jermiin.


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From:    Lynna Landstreet                       Area: Mundane
To:      Albertus Magnus                         7 Feb 94 02:07:10
Subject: The Week in Death: Jan 1               UpdReq 

 AM> We really truly love Nilsson's ``Put the Lime in the Coconut'' 
 AM> or whatever it was called. And an FR recommends ``The Point'' LP  
 AM> (yup, he said ``LP.'' Kinda dates him, don't it?), which contains the
 AM> song ``You've Broken My Heart, You've Torn It Apart, So F*ck You.'' 
No, it doesn't. The Point is an extended children's story about a little 
boy born with a round head in a country full of pointy-headed people. It's 
partly narrative and partly songs, and played a major role in my childhood 
musical development. <g>
(Look Mr. Moderator, I took my response to the right echo!)
___
 * Freddie 1.2 * Accuse not nature, she hath done her part; do thou but thine. 
(John Milton)


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From:    Lynna Landstreet                       Area: Mundane
To:      Thomas Izaguirre                        7 Feb 94 02:07:12
Subject: AIDS Paranoia & Fascism                UpdReq 

 TI> The problem with the conspiracy theories is that they are the very 
 TI> thing that can turn finding a cure into a side issue for the 
 TI> vicarious thrill of finding out who blame for this disease can be 
 TI> assigned to (CIA, Flouridation, etc.).  Earth First!, for instance, 
 TI> considers it a Gaia-send, Her vengeance upon technological man.  Go 
 TI> figure. 
Earth First!, being a large, diverse, decentralized movement with no 
leadership and no official doctrine, does not consider AIDS to be 
anything. A few individuals in Earth First! may hold the belief you 
mentioned (though only one that I've come across), but that is another 
thing entirely. Please don't generalize one person's opinions to thousands 
of others who may or may not share them.
___
 * Freddie 1.2 * Accuse not nature, she hath done her part; do thou but thine. 
(John Milton)


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From:    Lynna Landstreet                       Area: Mundane
To:      David Arnold                            3 Mar 94 03:03:16
Subject: AIDS Paranoia & Fascist                UpdReq 

 DA> > Earth First!, for instance, considers it a Gaia-
 DA> > send, Her vengeance upon technological man.  Go figure.
 DA> 
 DA> one reason you don't want to go to a Queer Nation meeting and 
 DA> mention you like Dave Foreman.
<grin>
Actually, one of the few people I've met who agreed with the above theory, 
as aired by the pseudonymous "Miss Ann Thropy" (who some think was really 
Foreman, but no one knows for sure) in the Earth First! Journal, was a 
good friend of mine, a gay activist who was at the time dying of AIDS.
___
 * Freddie 1.2 * My task today is to stand for Nature against those who 
blaspheme Her and so wrong themselves. (Dion Fortune)


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From:    Lynna Landstreet                       Area: Mundane
To:      Dragonrider                             3 Mar 94 03:03:18
Subject: AIDS Paranoia & Fasci                  UpdReq 

 D> So I take it Earth First is a 'fundy' type organization...though not 
 D> christian.... 
No, Earth First! is, as I've said here before, a very large, diverse and 
decentralized (dis)organization with very little dogma and a wide range of 
opinions on AIDS and everything else. The theory Thomas mentioned, about 
AIDS being Gaia's revenge on technological man, was expressed by *one* 
writer in the Earth First! Journal, and is *not* the opinion of Earth 
First as a whole.
___
 * Freddie 1.2 * My task today is to stand for Nature against those who 
blaspheme Her and so wrong themselves. (Dion Fortune)


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From:    Kayla Block                            Area: Mundane
To:      Richard W. Handel                       3 Mar 94 22:46:50
Subject: The Missing Post!                      UpdReq 

93 richard,
hmmm..i *have* seen this post before.  i thought that i had replied to it.  is 
it actually a missing reply, rather than a missing post?  let me know.  
BTW, i just found out from phil, (the sysop here at mysteria) that david had 
asked that the TOGD sub be removed from novanet distribution.  i was 
wondering who is carrying it, if not novanet?  is it a PODS echo?
        93,
        --kayla


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From:    Kayla Block                            Area: Mundane
To:      Christeos Pir                           3 Mar 94 22:49:36
Subject: What the. . . ? #3                     UpdReq 

93 christeos,
 CP>  BTW, how ya doin'? Trip clear your head any? We could sure use
 CP>  _something_, but it just isn't practical right now. Our current big
 CP>  deal is trying to buy a new vehicle... though I think I'm gonna sink a
getting out of town probably did clear my head, but unfortunately, if 
anything, it really made me realize just how much i need to move out of l.a.  
i have been thinking of moving to northern calif. for a long time, but it 
seems like i just need to do it, rather than think about it.  
how come you don't think you're going to make it to NOLA?  (if you don't mind 
me being nosy.)  is it because of needing a new vehicle?
 CP>  couple of bills into keeping this old 'puter going another year or so
 CP>  -- maybe some more memory and a bigger HD.
i've been recently drooling over a set up that a friend of mine just bought.  
i've been trying to help him set it up, and it just about makes me froth at 
the mouth!  but, i think i'm stuck with my clunker, (it's fairly new, but a 
discontinued model, and already a dinosaur!), for awhile longer.  but, prices 
have been dropping like crazy, (especially for macintosh'es) and i hope i can 
get one within the year.
say hello to alma for me!
        93,
        ---kayla



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From:    Rose Dawn                              Area: Mundane
To:      Christeos Pir                           1 Mar 94 10:30:52
Subject: Re: DRESS CODES                        UpdReq 

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
  >  I've moved this conversation here, 'cause we were getting pretty far
 >  away from Nightside stuff, I thought.
 Gracias. Hehe, although no less topical than plenty of threads I've seen 
therein.  ;>
  >  I've never had to do it, so I'm not really sure. There are probably
 >  some around who can give you the benefit of their personal experience,
 >  you might try the _Burning Times_ echo, and we could ask Grendel
 >  -wasn't it he who posted the AMER info some time back?- or even Dr.
 >  Aquino, who I believe is also involved with AMER.
 We don't get that echo here...it shouldn't be too difficult to get a contact 
address for AMER though. I wasn't sure if this type of situation fell under 
the 'things this organization is interested in' umbrella. Sounds like maybe 
the most logical first step is to ask for a one-on-one with the principal, 
and see if she'll go beyond "These are the rules, so follow them."
 Tami came home from school upset yesterday; apparently the "pentagram 
earrings" are a hot topic for gossip among sixth graders, and there was some 
kind of playground confrontation along the lines of "You're a 
Satan-worshipper! You sacrifice animals!" blah-de-blah. What upset her, and 
what REALLY steamed me, is that one of the *adult* playground monitors 
overheard, and said to Tam "Well, you shouldn't wear those satanic symbols if 
you don't want people to think these things about you." <sigh> Most of the 
'troublemaking' I've done at school has been behind adults who don't act like 
adults, rather than anything any kid, including Tam, has said or done.
  >  As far as you know, there have been no other complaints in this matter?
 >  Are any other established religions or philosophies similarly affected
 >  -- the school have problems with representations of Kali, or Shiva, or
 >  Guede, or even Masonic symbols?
 Not that I've heard of. Tam has a pendant with an "AUM" glyph that she's worn 
to school, no prob, and a silver ankh ring, again no prob. And she dragged in 
a TON of stuff at the teacher's request when they were studying Hinduism in 
Social Studies class. The only other religious symbolism she's noticed being 
worn at school are crosses and crucifixes (several) and one Star of David. I 
guess the interpretation of "no occult symbolism" is at the discretion of the 
Vice-Principal...when I went to get her earrings back from the dood, and told 
him they were little silver stars in little silver circles, and what the heck 
was the prob, he said they could be "interpreted as occult symbols" and "just 
don't let her wear them again." She really misses her old school! People have 
*real* things to worry about down on Imperial Ave.  :/
  >  As you can see, it'd be a LOT easier if you could get things done at
 >  the simple level of:
 > 
 >         "Hey, you folks are guilty of discrimination here, and perhaps
 >         you ought to do something about it before the newspapers and
 >         lawyers get involved, ifyaknowaddimean!"
 Yeah, I'm going to give it another go. It *appears* as though I'm "alone in 
the twilight" as far as seeing "No occult symbolism" as discriminatory 
though! Either that or nobody else wants to rock the boat. I'm really proud 
of her <disgusting momfit coming on!>...this is the age where they're all 
supposed to "fit in" and Tam's taken a lot of crap from her peers simply cuz 
she speaks her mind and doesn't knuckle under to popular opinion. It's good 
practice for adulthood, but I'm sure it's very rough on her right *now*. 
Ironically (but probably not surprisingly) there's a dorky contingent of 
"Satan Rulez" kids at school, and Tam catches more heat (it seems to me) 
because she actually tries to understand and explain 'non-traditional 
spirituality' instead of running around looking for Eeeeeeeeevil things to do 
in her spare time.
  >  And yet that ruling had widespread results, mostly as a result of
 >  Dick Lester's taking up the crusade... in fact, the colors issue was a
 >  big factor in my retirement from ABATE Region Coordinator, not to
 >  mention a number of key, founding members retiring from the State
 >  positions here, and the resulting decline of ABATE as a political force
 >  in this State.
 Really! I had no idea...there was a schism in the Brotherhood over the right 
to fly a patch?!? I suppose I was more involved in the endless political muck 
between ABATE & the M.M.A. right here in Kali-fornia to keep up with the rest 
o'the country. There was a lot of talk about settling differences and putting 
egos aside around the time Ron Roloff's death; some token gestures were made 
but y'know all about human nature I suppose.
  >  I know what you mean... I have that kind of rep at work (which can
 >  actually work to your advantage when you're a Union shop steward <G>).
 LOL! There's my whole problem: I'm just in the wrong line of work!  ;>
  >  You did right in putting the documentation in the file, just in case.
 Well, we do what we can. If this school board dude is dumb enough to report 
me to somebody as a perpetrator of "educational neglect" when my kid makes 
the Honor Roll every &*$#&! semester, there will be an *official* statement 
as to why she missed all that school last year, signed by a man with "M.D." 
after his name, and "U.C.S.D." on his letterhead.  ;>
 Love is the law, love under will.

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From:    The Fool                               Area: Mundane
To:      Rose Dawn                               2 Feb 94 14:38:00
Subject: Generation X                           UpdReq 

On 23 Jan 94  11:21, Rose Dawn writing to Ace Lightning
About TUNES! said:
 RD> Oh heck, not all us "Generation Xers" are ignorant of the customs of
Demonstrating just _how_ out of touch this particular fool is: what age band
comprises generation X? I have heard the term, I was wondering if I'm one
(Aug '66).
... My 486 2/66 does an infinite loop in 3.85 secs


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From:    The Fool                               Area: Mundane
To:      David Arnold                            2 Feb 94 18:55:00
Subject: Re: The Strecker Memorandum            UpdReq 

On 25 Jan 94  19:38, David Arnold writing to Dragonrider
About The Strecker Memorandum said:
 DA> who knows.  one thing is for sure.  AIDS/HIV is NOT what the
 DA> establishment is telling us it is. 
How many people are actually suffering/dyng ffrom AIDS? Is it really a
pandemic like we are being told in the media?
... Illiterate?  Write for FREE HELP!


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From:    The Fool                               Area: Mundane
To:      Thomas Izaguirre                        2 Feb 94 18:58:02
Subject: Re: AIDS Paranoia & Fascist Prodding   UpdReq 

On 29 Jan 94  15:40, Thomas Izaguirre writing to Dragonrider
About AIDS Paranoia & Fascist Prodding said:
 TI> The problem with the conspiracy theories is that they are the very
 TI> thing that can turn finding a cure into a side issue for the vicarious
 TI> thrill of finding out who blame for this disease can be assigned to
 TI> (CIA, Flouridation, etc.).  Earth First!, for instance, considers it a
 TI> Gaia-send, Her vengeance upon technological man.  Go figure. 
I heard that AIDS was created by the World Healtn Organisation. It was
supposed to be a genetically engineered polio vaccine. The green monkey
connection is probably that they tested it on those green monkeys. The
main (world wide) source of HIV infections is mass innoculation programs
undertaken in the third world by WHO.
Al least - that's what I heard :->
A more sinister therory was that HIV was deliberatly designed to cut down
3rd world overpopulation.
... My AUTOEXEC is bigger than your AUTOEXEC


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From:    The Fool                               Area: Mundane
To:      Julian                                  2 Feb 94 19:00:02
Subject: Re: Operation Rescue                   UpdReq 

On 30 Jan 94  18:09, Julian writing to Kayla Block
About Operation Rescue said:
 Ju> like guns and basically any freedom that isn't PC? I'm not saying I'm
 Ju> pro- or anti-abortion, because I view it as a women's issue that I
 Ju> cannot possibly relate to intelligently.
Even when it's your child too?
... My AUTOEXEC is bigger than your AUTOEXEC


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