From: Kayla Block Area: Mundane To: Richard W. Handel 6 Feb 94 00:34:44 Subject: Psychotherapy Rec'd UpdReq 93 richard, RWH> I hope everything is OK with you after your "quake" RWH> experience. I hope you didn't get hurt or have your RWH> property destroyed or anything like that. Anyway... no one in my household was hurt, luckily. did have alot of stuff destroyed, and the aftershocks are continuing to rattle our nerves, but considering how close we are to the epicenter, we did pretty well. unfortunately, besides earthquake stress, i've had some other severe stressors going on recently. (i.e. a close friend of mine died yesterday after a protracted illness. this was in addition to some really severe roommate problems.) anyway, the reason that i mention this, is because i'm planning on leaving town for at least a week, because i just need to get away for a bit. so, if i don't reply to your next post to me for awhile, that would be the reason. RWH> people here who are loaded and can pay for it RWH> outright. A friend of mine is 28 and he about RWH> $150,000 last year in private practice. that's pretty amazing. i would imagine that l.a. has enough wealthy people that the situation should be similar, but it doesn't necessarily seem to be. how does you friend get his clients? RWH> read any of Christopher Hyatt's comments about it? He RWH> tends to be pretty harsh. He views psychotherapy as a RWH> "socializing agent" to mold people back into the local RWH> hive mentality/reality tunnel. I would be interested i don't recall reading anything that he has written on this. though, i have known someone who saw hyatt for psychotherapy. his techniques, IMO, were 'cute' and sort of fun, but i thought that they tended towards being rather manipulative. RWH> in psychotherapy as a means to "prod" a client to RWH> begin to discover Hir True Will. Unfortunately, I'm RWH> very concerned about goverenment and APA rules and RWH> regulations. How limited are you in private practice the ethical guidelines put out by the APA definitely allow alot of room for interpretation. however, before you are licensed, you will probably find that there are pretty severe limitations on what is considered to be acceptable. iconoclasts generally don't go over well in grad. school or in internships. RWH> everything else, there are useful parts and garbage RWH> parts. BTW, did you complete your doctorate? no, i'm ABD. i'm not certain if i ever will end up finishing at this point. i've been away from school for several years, and it seems like the more time that goes by, the less likely i am to ever finish. :( RWH> mac? YUCK! I couldn't answer that one. I do know yuck, huh? (continued next message) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Mundane To: Richard W. Handel 6 Feb 94 00:46:48 Subject: Psychotherapy Rec'd UpdReq hi again, richard, RWH> that the conversion software for macs is getting alot RWH> better. In another year or so, you should be able to RWH> run any IBM compat software on a mac. My personal actually, this is already a reality. in fact, within the next few months, the power pc macs that will be released will be capable of running DOS or windows as its operating platform. won't even need conversion software. sounds like the best of both worlds to me. RWH> experience has not been too pleasant with engineering RWH> and computers. Although I love both of them, industry RWH> relly has a way of making you hate what you do RWH> sometimes! Anyway, take care of yourself. Talk to you i think that is what happened to me with psychology. it is unfortunate. 93, --kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Mundane To: All 6 Feb 94 01:02:00 Subject: Post-Anarchism Anarchy UpdReq * * * * * POST-ANARCHISM ANARCHY THE ASSOCIATION FOR ONTOLOGICAL ANARCHY gathers in conclave, black turbans & shimmering robes, sprawled on shirazi carpets sipping bitter coffee, smoking long chibouk & sibsi. QUESTION: What's our position on all these recent defections & desertions from anarchism (esp. in California-Land): condemn or condone? Purge them or hail them as advance- guard? Gnostic elite...or traitors? Actually, we have a lot of sympathy for the deserters & their various critiques of anarchISM. Like Sinbad & the Horrible Old Man, anarchism staggers around with the corpse of a Martyr magically stuck to its shoulders--haunted by the legacy of failure & revolutionary masochism--stagnant backwater of lost history. Between tragic Past & impossible Future, anarchism seems to lack a Present--as if afraid to ask itself, here & now, WHAT ARE MY TRUE DESIRES?--& what can I DO before it's _too_late_?...Yes, imagine yourself confronted by a sorcerer who stares you down balefully & demands, "What is your True Desire?" Do you hem & haw, stammer, take refuge in ideological platitudes? Do you possess both Imagination & Will, can you both dream & dare--or are you the dupe of an impotent fantasy? Look in the mirror & try it...(for one of your masks is the face of a sorcerer)... The anarchist "movement" today contains virtually no Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans or children...even tho _in_theory_ such genuinely oppressed groups stand to gain the most from any anti-authoritarian revolt. Might it be that anarchISM offers no concrete program whereby the truly deprived might fulfill (or at least struggle realistically to fulfill) real needs & desires? If so, then this failure would explain not only anarchism's lack of appeal to the poor & marginal, but also the disaffection & desertions from within its own ranks. Demos, picket-lines & reprints of 19th century classics don't add up to a vital, daring conspiracy of self-liberation. If the movement is to grow rather than shrink, a lot of deadwood will have to be jettisoned & some risky ideas embraced. The potential exists. Any day now, vast numbers of americans are going to realize they're being force-fed a load of reactionary boring hysterical artificially-flavored _crap_. Vast chorus of groans, puking & retching...angry mobs roam the malls, smashing & looting...etc., etc. The Black Banner could provide a focus for the outrage & channel it into an insurrection of the Imagination. We could pick up the struggle where it was dropped by Situationism in '68 & Autonomia in the seventies, & carry it to the next stage. We could have revolt in our times--& in the process, we could realize many of our True Desires, even if only for a season, a brief Pirate Utopia, a warped free-zone in the old Space/Time continuum. If the A.O.A. retains its affiliation with the "movement," we do so not merely out of a romantic predilection for lost causes--or not entirely. Of all "political systems," anarchism (despite its flaws, & precisely because it is neither political nor a system) comes closest to our understanding of reality, ontology, the nature of being. As for the deserters...we agree with their critiques, but note that they seem to offer no new powerful alternatives. So for the time being we prefer to concentrate on changing anarchism from within. Here's our program, comrades: 1. Work on the realization that _psychic_racism_ has replaced overt discrimination as one of the most disgusting aspects of our society. Imaginative participation in other cultures, esp. those we live with. 2. Abandon all ideological purity. Embrace "Type-3" anarchism (to use Bob Black's pro-tem slogan): neither collectivist nor individualist. Cleanse the temple of vain idols, get rid of the Horrible Old Men, the relics & martyrologies. 3. Anti-work or "Zerowork" movement extremely important, including a radical & perhaps violent attack on Education & the serfdom of children. 4. Develop american samizdat network, replace outdated publishing/propaganda tactics. Pornography & popular entertainment as vehicles for radical re-education. 5. In music the hegemony of the 2/4 & 4/4 beat must be overthrown. We need a new music, totally insane but life- affirming, rhythmically subtle yet powerful, & we need it NOW. 6. Anarchism must wean itself away from evangelical materialism & banal 2-dimensional 19th century scientism. "Higher states of consciousness" are not mere SPOOKS invented by evil priests. The orient, the occult, the tribal cultures possess _techniques_ which can be "appropriated" in true anarchist fashion. Without "higher states of consciousness," anarchism ends & dries itself up into a form of misery, a whining complaint. We need a practical kind of "mystical anarchism," devoid of all New Age shit-&-shinola, & inexorably heretical & anti-clerical; avid for all new technologies of consciousness & metanoia--a democratization of shamanism, intoxicated & serene. 7. Sexuality is under assault, obviously from the Right, more subtly from the avant-pseud "post-sexuality" movement, & even more subtly by Spectacular Recuperation in media & advertising. Time for a major step forward in SexPol awareness, an explosive reaffirmation of the polymorphic eros--(even & especially in the face of plague & gloom)--a literal glorification of the senses, a doctrine of delight. Abandon all world-hatred & shame. 8. Experiment with new tactics to replace the outdated baggage of Leftism. Emphasize practical, material & personal benefits of radical networking. The times do not appear propitious for violence or militancy, but surely a bit of sabotage & imaginative disruption is never out of place. Plot & conspire, don't bitch & moan. The Art World in particular deserves a dose of "Poetic Terrorism." 9. The despatialization of post-Industrial society provides some benefits (e.g. computer networking) but can also manifest as a form of oppression (homelessness, gentrification, architectural depersonalization, the erasure of Nature, etc.) The communes of the sixties tried to circumvent these forces but failed. The question of _land_ refuses to go away. How can we separate the concept of _space_ from the mechanisms of _control_? The territorial gangsters, the Nation/States, have hogged the entire map. Who can invent for us a cartography of autonomy, who can draw a map that includes our desires? AnarchISM ultimately implies anarchy--& anarchy is chaos. Chaos is the principle of continual creation...& _Chaos_never_died_. --A.O.A. Plenary Session March '87, NYC 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Lynna Landstreet Area: Mundane To: Thomas Izaguirre 5 Feb 94 02:05:12 Subject: AIDS Paranoia & Fascist UpdReq TI> I've often wondered as to the motivations of many like Dr. TI> Strecker... I can't help but wonder if much of this AIDS hysteria is TI> deliberately concocted to so alarm the populace that it begins to TI> accept the idea of concentration camp style quarantine (as Lyndon TI> LaRouche advocated, who, by the way, was big on the idea of TI> mosquitos as an AIDS vector) for people such as yourself. It would TI> do no good to have, let's say, Rush Lowbrow, hawk Strecker's TI> spiel--the trick is to portray it as "forbidden information" so as TI> to give it a glamour that attracts in steady increments the TI> population one wished to whip up into hysteria. I tend to agree. I think the primary reason most media don't cover that sort of thing is not due to any sort of desire to "suppress" it, but to the simple fact that it is unmitigated bulls**t. There is a vast difference betwen censorship and simple journalistic responsibility. Even I, as a relatively well-read non-scientist, could poke plenty of holes in Strecker's extremely flimsy arguments; anyone with a real scientific background could no doubt rip them to shreds. I had considered posting a response pointing out a few of the flaws, but decided it probably wasn't worth the bother, as the people who believe in that sort of thing aren't likely to be dissuaded by something as irrelevant as the facts. ___ * Freddie 1.2 * Honor life. Without Earth, there is no Heaven. (John Trudell) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Mundane To: Medusa 7 Feb 94 01:34:52 Subject: Psychotherapy UpdReq 93 medusa, M> Is California school of Professional Psychology M> connected to Illinois school of the same? I am thinking M> of applying to the Illinois school. If you got a Psy. M> D., how salable do you feel the degree is? the 2 schools are unrelated, though i vaguely remember the school that you are referring to from when i was applying around. as for the Psy.D., it all depends. it isn't as marketable as the more standard Ph.D., but it's reputation is growing. some of it depends on whether the school that you go to has APA accreditation or not. also, an APA accredited internship can make a huge difference. but, most of those differences would probably only matter for your first few years out of school, anyway. (though those first few years can affect subsequent things. but, ultimately, the most important thing is probably having some good business/marketing skills for private practice, or being well-connected for general job hunting. (good connections can be made in grad. school, BTW). good luck to you, whatever you decide. (and if you want to talk about it anymore, feel free to write back. i will be out of town for a week or so, but will be back online after that.) 93, --kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Valkyrie Area: Mundane To: Balthazar 5 Feb 94 15:21:00 Subject: Re: Magic...a Card Game!! UpdReq BA> V> There's a great new fantasy trading card game game called BA> V> *Magic: The Gathering* by Wizards of the Coast. If you love strategy BA> Not meaning to be inconsiderate, it's npot that new; I've been playing BA> with the orginal black-boarder ed. for at least 4 months now.. That's new enough. Most of the major stores don't have it even here in the Seattle area. I started hearing about it about a month ago and it took that long to even find a deck, let alone anyone to play with. BA> As for the being great part: You are really.. really right. BA> as far as being playable, and people starting to play; BA> It's as addictive as Cocaine, but cocaine is cheaper. BA> (simple put, once you start playing majick, er, Magic: the Gathering BA> (M:TG), you will be hooked, and for some reason, spead all (ok, maybe a goo BA> chunk) getting cards.. Well, there are a lot of things I would just as soon spend the cash on, but I figure my husband spends ten to fifteen dollars a week on baseball and other sports cards and keeps them as an investment, he can spend a little on theses. Besides, he was even faster to see the investment value and is collecting them rather then playing them...I get the "discards." He isn't pagan, but he can play a mean game and is hooked by the strategy challenges. BA> As for the new decks that are coming out, there are about 400+ NEW cards BA> comming out soon (hopefully), to ougment the 380 already avaible (Basic set BA> and Ariabin Knights).. We heard from one of the people in the toy and game business here that the original collectors cards are going to be re-issued in a few months with entirely new sets that will be distinguishable from the first set. So don't be too hard on the ones you've got, if the game gets anywhere near as popular as any of Steve Jackson's games those first cards are going to be worth a lot. BA> (great, now you got me started.... I could ramble all day about rules, BA> stragety, how-to-play, cards, combat decks, etc..... ) Oh good, let's hear about it them. Do you know where to get the multi-player rules? We're still working with the basic decks and building. I don't like the swamp cards because like any magic they carry an equal danger for the user, my husband is far more willing to take that gamble, mostly by balancing it with wards. (I'm beginning to wonder if it's not a good thing he *isn't* working with magic for real...). He's already decided that the best way to play is to develop specialty decks, and of course he's not telling me what it is. He's one of those strategy "freaks" that beats computers at chess and watches _Wings_ for fun. I figure my best bet at this point is to try and find another couple to play against or I'll lose all my best cards to him. Regards V SLMR 2.1a Fires they lit for them, and as friends welcomed. (Atli) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin Collins Area: Mundane To: David Arnold 4 Feb 94 18:50:30 Subject: The Illuminatus Trilogy/LOOMPANICS UpdReq Thanx, for the Reply and address, Ihave actually heard from several people telling me the book is no longer out of print. Hopefully if I get to a REAL bookstore, not one in the malls, I can find it...... Thanx again, Atomik Dog 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dragonrider Area: Mundane To: Styxx 5 Feb 94 14:49:00 Subject: Re: AIDS Paranoia & Fasci UpdReq St> St> You know, I think you'll find that the majority of the population is St> poorly educated and are unable or unwilling to think for themselves. St> People are ruled by the media, that is their god. One loud mouth does not mean that the mouth speaks for the majority of the people. St> Plus there is a St> whole generation of apathetic and pissed off kids coming at you. There are a lot of younger people who are NOT apathetic and pissed. These people see that something needs to be done and are acting instead of sitting on their asses pissing and moaning. St> This is my generation...and in it, I expect to see a lot of people St> die. If this disease gets too out of hand...there will be no other St> option than to isolate these people from healthy individuals...or we St> will cease to be. It may not be politically correct, but it is St> logical. It might be necessary to maintain what human life remains. You are talking to someone who is HIV+ and has been for over 7 years. I am more healthy than many of the people I have worked with who have called in sick numerous times. I have missed 1 day of work in 3 years while four people have missed more than 6 months in one year. These people are NOT HIV+. They are as healthy as you are. Isolating people with a disease does NOT deal with it. It merely HIDES it from public view, much as the Down's Syndrome child was hidden in the basement or the sanitarium years ago. A hidden problem does not go away, it remains until it is dealt with. AIDS is NOT going to devestate the entire world population. Here is a quick list of how to protect yourself... 1..Practice celibacy. 2..Handfast a Virgin. 3..Practice monogamy. 4..Use your own blood whenever you need surgery. 5..INSIST your doctor/dentist use two sets of gloves of two differing colors when working on you, this protects him as well as you. 6..Make sure your healthcare provider uses fresh/sterile needles at ALL times. 7..Learn the facts. ... Any further clarification will only muddy the waters 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dragonrider Area: Mundane To: David Arnold 7 Feb 94 13:47:00 Subject: Re: Lutheran church UpdReq -=> Quoting David Arnold to Dragonrider <=- DA> Dragonrider to Artemis: > To bring it to bare bones; how could I believe in something that didn't > believe in me? DA> an excellent refutation of an ofttimes cruel religion. mind if i make DA> it a tagline? DA> -!- FMail 0.92 DA> ! Origin: RAD BBS, Melrose, Oregon (93:9703/5) DA> 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dragonrider Area: Mundane To: David Arnold 7 Feb 94 13:48:00 Subject: Re: Metaphysical UpdReq What's a magazine style post in your opinion? ... I'm not REALLY shy, I'm just studying my prey. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dragonrider Area: Mundane To: Farrell McGovern 7 Feb 94 13:57:00 Subject: Re: Metaphysical UpdReq I'd love to be able to have Every Echo but there's something called 'time availability.' Some people may not have time for Mundane or PaganChat. Some people may just log on for just a couple echoes. Other people may not even be aware of the other echoes. It took me over 3 months to learn about all the other echoes. My data line is also the voice line in our home. My roommates would scream bloody murder if I tied up the phone as much as I really could...hours each day so I keep my echoes down to a minimum. Others have similar considerations. The suggestion that posting a monthly note that the Meta echo is Read Only is a sound and simple one. No offense is given and no offense should be taken in making that post. If you came into my house, petted the dog, and I threw you out for breaking one of my cardinal rules, wouldn't you be offended because you didn't know it was a rule? I'd be a little more than offended, I'd be PO'd enough to not show my face again. ... Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718