From: Rose Dawn Area: Magical Plants To: David Arnold 5 Feb 94 08:02:24 Subject: Re: FINALLY! UpdReq > i heard a few years ago that cannibis was legally prescribed for > chemotherapy symptom alleviation already. not sure, but there was a > feature on "60 Minutes". can't remember whether it's smoked or > comes in capsules. i seem to remember the patients on 60 Minutes > smoking it. It was for a while, but they closed it off--not prescribing for any new patients, although everyone left standing is still being supplied. The last time I had chemo, I was getting an intravenous infusion at the same time the Cytoxan was pumping in. It was considerably less UNpleasant than usual, though by no means a fun experience! ;> 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: All 6 Feb 94 16:40:32 Subject: Beta Carboline Plants UpdReq THREE BETA-CARBOLINE CONTAINING PLANTS AS POTENTIATORS OF SYNTHETIC DMT AND OTHER INDOLE PSYCHEDELICS . . . a technical note from the underground by "Gracie and Zarkov" Copyright August 1985 by Gracie and Zarkov productions. We believe that in a truly free society the price of packaged information would be driven down to the cost of reproduction and transmission. We, therefore, give blanket permission and encourage photocopy, quotation, reprint or entry into a database of all or part of our articles provided that the copier or quoter does not take credit for our statements! Number 7. _Introduction_ This paper is aimed at the serious student and/or researcher of psychedelic substances. Unlike many of our more popularly oriented articles and papers we do not intend it for our recreationally inclined friends on the psychedelic underground. Given the diets and drug habits of most contemporary "heads", the use of MAO inhibitors could easily result in serious physical complications (like death). Additionally, these states are so intense that unless you are crazy enough to regard 50 mg of DMT or 7.5 grams of potent stropharia mushrooms as the beginning of a good time, these mixes are definitely out for you. The content of this technical note will, we hope, provide researchers interested in the beta-carboline/tryptamine combinations with some "hard empirical facts" combined with our musings. Hopefully, these will spawn new ideas for further experiments in this very exciting and very confusing area of psychedelic research. _Summary_ The purpose of this paper is to summarize our current work with three beta-carboline, Harmala alkaloid-containing plants, i.e., _Passiflora incarnata_ (passion flower) _Peganum harmala_ (syrian rue) _Bansteriopsis caapi_ (principal ingredient in yage) Specifically, we wish to report on the phenomena and comparative activity when extracts of each of these plants are smoked in conjunction with DMT. _Sources of the Plant Material_ The passion flower was purchased as dried, whole, chopped plant material from an herb store. The seeds of the syrian rue were purchased from a specialty seed service. No attempt was made to ascertain the origin of the plant material. The _Banisteriopsis caapi_ was obtained from a private plantation in Hawaii. The caapi arrived cut into lengths of about one foot long, and ranged in diameter from about one quarter of an inch to one half inch. The original plant specimens had been collected in the Amazon by the grower. _Extraction Technique_ We used the same extraction technique for all three plants. We had developed this technique for smoking the passion flower to potentiate Psilocybian mushrooms (see below) and wished to have the data from this set of experiments be comparable. The technique was a two-stage extraction. The first extraction used was a boiling alcohol (we used vodka) and water infusion followed by a second extraction using boiled distilled water. Each infusion was boiled for several hours. A "slow cooker" is ideal for this. In the case of the caapi, the bark was peeled off in strips first. For the syrian rue, we first ground the seeds very fine. For both the passion flower and the caapi, the second extract was essentially clear and seemed unnecessary. However, in the case of the syrian rue, the second extract was a bright cloudy yellow which may indicate harmine in solution. The plant material was strained and compressed after each extraction. the liquids from the two extractions were combined and dried using low heat on the slow cooker. The result was a brown caramally mass for both the passion flower and caapi. The weight was about 20% of the original for the passion flower and the rue, and about 45% for the caapi. Except in the case of the passion flower, we cannot see any clear advantages of extraction over that of smoking the original plant material due to the relatively minor concentration of the amount needed to smoke. A plain water infusion would also seem to be just as effective in removing the harmine and would result in less of the other plant components being extracted. The syrian rue extract was the most interesting. It actually had long, thin, yellowish crystals in a brownish, red, hard, clear matrix which was not at all gooey like the other two extracts. This is not surprising given the assumed concentration of beta-carboline alkaloids. Based on our rough averaging from a variety of sources, our up-front beta-carboline concentration estimates for the plant materials were as follows: Plant % beta-Carbolines Ratio (syrian rue=1) ----- ------------------ ----- Rue 2.0 - 4.0% 1 Caapi 0.1% 20 Passion flower 0.05 - 0.1% 40 (continued next post) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: All 6 Feb 94 16:46:50 Subject: Beta Carboline Plants !! UpdReq _Usage_ In each case we smoked the extract until we had reached subjectively the same high. As with our previous work with the passion flower extract, smoking significant amounts above this did not seem to get one any higher, but just intensified the physical symptoms and one felt increasingly sick. So far, only with the passion flower have we experimented with an oral dose. Oral infusions of the other plants are planned for our fall 1985 series of experiments. The plant material is smoked with a match, lighter, or torch in such a way to promote the boiling of the material, rather than burning it. This seems to yield the most effective high. The highly concentrated rue extract lends itself nicely to smoking in a "hash oil" pipe with the flame heating the bowl on the outside. _The High_ The high is not particularly psychedelic or hallucinogenic. One feels calm. This calming effect is particularly noted by an observer as a significant change in facial expression and tone of voice. The limbs become heavy and lethargic and visibly tremble. Hypersalivation occurs, particularly at the back of the mouth, making for a particularly smooth smoke. A slight irritation of urethra and anus is sometimes noted. At higher dosages, dizziness and nausea sets in with very little increase in the high. Closed eye imagery is at best hypnagogic. That is to say, faint, moving outlines can be discerned with closed eyes. If one has a particularly vivid imagination, ghostly outlines of figures can be discerned. The more literal minded just see dim shifting blobs of light and dark. No one who has experienced DMT or high dose mushrooms would ever call them visions. The high comes on and stabilizes after about 5 to 10 minutes or smoking. As mentioned before, it is very difficult to get higher by smoking more. If one stops at this point, the most noticeable thing would be a calm and unapprehensive state. We take particular note of this diminishing of apprehensions since we are always apprehensive before we smoke DMT so its diminution or absence is very noticeable. The passion flower is mentally the foggiest high, but curiously has the strongest "anti-depressant" effect. This may be related to the overall mix of alkaloids in the passion flower (see below). The syrian rue was the clearest, cleanest high with the caapi being, subjectively, in between. The caapi had the least "antidepressant" effect. _Dosage_ The dosage ratios of the original plant material smoked for subjectively reaching the same level of high is roughly estimated as follows: Plant Dosage Ratio ------ ------------ Rue 1 Caapi 12 Passion flower 80 The dosage ratio is based on the mass of the original plant material. That is to say, to get as high as smoking one ounce of syrian rue, would require smoking 12 ounces of caapi, or over two kilograms of passion flower. Curiously, although various field researchers estimate beta-carboline dosage in native brews to range between 300 to 500 mg, in our dosage we only needed dosages in the 50 mg range. As noted above, increasing the dosage did not increase the high but only aggravated the physical symptoms. Even when tryptamines were taken later in addition, increasing the dosage past this point did not significantly alter the combined trip. It was as if there was some "switch" in the brain which, with sufficient beta-carbolines, was set from "off" to "on" and no further action would take place. We do not rule out the possibility of a second "switch" at the 300 - 500 mg range that we might have missed. _Tryptamine Combinations_ For comparison purposes, each of the plant materials was smoked according to the above method. Approximately 10 minutes after this plant-material-high stabilized, 15 mg of DMT was smoked. One of us would go through the entire procedure while the other kept notes and timings. The following consistent effects were observed: > The overall impact of the trip was heightened far above the normally only threshold effects of a 15 mg dose of DMT. Subjectively, the dose felt more like 34-45 mg or roughly tripled in intensity. > The overall length of the DMT "flash" and subsequent patterns was lengthened. The "flash" of visions which is normally 2 to 3 minutes at a 40 mg dosage, was about 6 minutes with the beta-carboline predosing at 15 mg of DMT. The total period of intense closed eye imagery, normally less than 5 to 7 minutes (including the flash) was extended uniformly to about 9 minutes with an additional 10 minute slowly decreasing tail of closed eye patterns. > The auditory effects were so pronounced as to be almost overwhelming on several occasions. In fact, the auditory effects were stronger than even extremely high dose trips where we had smoked 50 to 70 mg of DMT all at once. The initial sounds, the so-called "carrier wave" or opening buzz that has been described as "tearing plastic" was greatly amplified. The DMT "music" which we describe as a xylophone-type sound which accompanies the visions was extremely loud and seemed to keep coming on to the point where it became disturbing on several trips. (continued next post) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: All 6 Feb 94 16:51:40 Subject: Beta Carboline Plants III UpdReq > The basic "jeweled dome" or "chrysanthemum" pattern, seen after the "vision flash" was fractured or separated. Instead of a uniform circular pattern, there seemed to be distinctive left and right halves of the pattern with a new, hard to describe pattern in the middle. The overall effect of the patterns seemed to us more mushroom-like, although we would be hard pressed to give a detailed explanation of why we felt this way. > Similarly, the visions seemed to unfold in a more leisurely fashion. Again, we were reminded of the mushroom. While the DMT effect still hits fast and hard, the rushed "million things at once" feeling of DMT smoked alone is quite muted. > The colors of the pattern are also shifted as compared to DMT alone. Again, since we can't accurately describe colors in the first place, it is hard to pin down, but it could be characterized as less primary or jewel-like, with fewer or less saturated colors than DMT alone. > Finally, when one comes out of the vision state, the "woozey" feeling is quite pronounced for an additional 10 minutes or so. This feeling was very reminiscent of the mushroom "knock-down". The content of the visions was also altered. There were fewer "alien, self-transforming, elf-machines" and more visions of recognizable things. Strange animals and hooded figures marched in a bas relief procession. Griffin-like monsters rhythmically changed into beautiful naked women and back. The feeling-tone was serious, unlike the playfulness or cheerful (even though quite terrifying) hilarity of the "self-transforming elf machines" experienced on DMT alone. The intensity was altered. We hesitate to say increase, since DMT is intense by itself, but the change in feeling tone, the more serious, almost personally directed information of the trance, subjectively made the trip more intense. On one trip, one of us made contact with a highly serious, palpable entity whose message could be quite simply summarized as "Are you sure you want to get into this? This is far more extreme than what you have done before. It is the path to destruction of gnosis!" Subjectively, we preferred the syrian rue to potentiate DMT. It gave the cleanest, most intense high. While we have never taken true Ayahuasca, detailed discussion of some of the trip's contents with someone who has significant experience with that brew, confirmed that the trip content was like a short Ayahuasca trip. The passion flower was the least desirable potentiator. (Probably due to low harmine content in proportion to the total beta-carboline content.) The amount required for effective tryptamine potentiation left us foggy and somewhat sick. Furthermore, the MAO effects lingered for two to three days. The caapi's effects were, again, in between. _Anomalous Observations_ This brings us to a curious set of observations. First, although the literature would indicate that the harmine MAO inhibition should be reversed in about five hours, the effects from all of the smoked plant material continued for at least 24 to 48 hours. That is to say, clear potentiation was noticed after this amount of time had elapsed. We hypothesize that this effect is due primarily to beta-carbolines other than harmine present in the plant material which, while qualitatively weaker as MAO inhibitors, may have a duration of effect which is much longer. However, we have reason to believe that something additional, due to the tryptamines, may be happening. Once we had taken 7.5 grams of very potent dried Stropharia. We were interested in making contact with the "voice in the head" phenomenon. We potentiated the mushrooms by each smoking about 750 grams(!) of passion flower (reduced as described above) starting about 30 minutes after eating the mushrooms. The potentiation was quite overwhelming. After smoking about one quarter of the plant material, each fresh lungfull brought on, within seconds, powerful "starburst" and "intersecting lightning bolt" hallucinations which, with eyes opened, obscured a well-lit room. The "voice" phenomenon was loud and clear and very unsettling (the content of the trip has been described in High Frontiers, Issue 2.) Before this trip we had attempted on several occasions to invoke the voice phenomenon with the same mushrooms at dosages of up to 10 grams, to no avail. But, even more curiously, effects such as clear instance of MAO inhibition, voices in the head, visions (with both closed and opened eyes) and finally at the end of the period, clear potentiation of another psychedelic (LSD) occurred at discrete short intervals over a period of 14 days! We realize that this sounds unbelievable, however it did happen. It is our opinion that peculiar long-term effects can be initiated by large combined doses of tryptamines and beta-carbolines that cannot be adequately explained using current models of brain chemistry. Additionally, since that rather harrowing trip, the mushroom "voice" has been inescapable even on dosages as low as approximately one gram. As less spectacular long-term effects, we have also noticed this "locking-in" or tuning-in effect with the beta-carboline/DMT combination. That is, effects that were previously elusive on DMT alone became easy to invoke once they have occurred in the combination. NOTE: We understand from conversations with other investigators that this approach of first taking the mushrooms and then smoking the beta-carboline material when the mushroom effects begin to come on to be in the most efficacious approach. (continued next post) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: All 6 Feb 94 16:56:02 Subject: Beta Carboline Plants IV UpdReq Another curious observation is the "9 minute barrier". So far, we have not been successful in causing the DMT imagery to last longer than 9 minutes, irrespective of the dosage, or the type of underlying predose plant material. To make matters more interesting in our experiments with DMT and MDA (which is also a mild MAO inhibitor) the DMT effects are gain lengthened to about 9 minutes. (See, our "Note From Underground, no. 4") Yet Ayahuasca produces a trip which lasts for several hours. At present we have no explanation, especially since much of the active components in the orally consumed brews are inactivated in the stomach and intestines or not absorbed. In experiments in which we have predosed ourselves with DMT and then taken another psychedelic several hours later, we have noted very discernible (MDA) to dramatic effects (mushrooms or LSD) when the second substance is taken as much as 8 hours after the DMT. (See, our "Note from the Underground, nos. 5 and 6.") Again, this is hard to explain since the total DMT experience should only last about one hour. However, when we smoked DMT and after the flash smoked the beta-carboline plant material we were unable to cause any clear DMT imagery. What did happen was an immediate feeling of depression, almost exactly opposite the effect on mood of DMT. One final hard-to-explain phenomenon. On about one quarter of the trips, after coming out of the trance and with our condition stabilized (or at least so we felt) about 20 minutes after smoking DMT, we experienced a rush of "information" into our minds with no other psychedelic effects. That is to say, without any visual, physical or auditory shift, we suddenly possessed, in our minds, a complex, detailed and lengthy thought with non ida where it had come from and the conviction that it had not existed in our heads, even in fragments, an instant before. The content of each of these thoughts was bizarre and had to do with directions on how to accomplish activities that are normally regarded as supernatural, impossible and/or crazy. Furthermore, the content of the thought was encouraging us to attempt these feats! While we have no first hand experience with schizophrenics (other than some Berkeley street people) our reading of the literature caused us to conclude that this type of phenomena would be considered a clear instance of schizophrenic thinking. _Beta-Carboline Potentiation of LSD_ We have also experimented with potentiation of LSD by beta-carboline containing plants. Generically, the effects follow the same patterns. Subjectively, the dose feels three to four times more potent than it actually is. The closed eye imagery is greatly enhanced with circular highly detailed bright imagery visible on only 25 - 25 [sic] micrograms. On higher doses (150 - 200 micrograms) there was a feeling of an ancestral presence (we have never felt an outside presence on LSD alone in over several hundred acid trips but we have found it quite common when LSD is combined with another psychedelic). The closed-eye patterns were "almost visions". That is to say they were clearer than hypnagogic imagery but not as overwhelming or clear as DMT visions. The visuals were more like clear dream imagery. The mood elevation was quite astounding. At one point one of us shouted "You couldn't possibly have a bad trip on this stuff." There were no mood swings and the buoyant elation slowly receded to baseline over the course of the trip. _Tentative Conclusions and Suggestions for Further Research_ To restate the obvious, indole psychedelics taken in a state of MAO inhibition are much more intense and _qualitatively different_ than when taken alone. We believe that these combinations offer numerous fruitful avenues for further research. Additionally, we find the syrian rue seeds to be a convenient, concentrated and easily obtainable source of beta-carbolines that can serve as a substitute for the more exotic, difficult to obtain, Banisteriopsis caapi. Clearly, our next area of research should be in the area of "synthetic Ayahuasca". That is, trying to perfect an orally administered mixture of syrian rue and synthetic DMT that qualitatively behaves like the South American plant brews. Additional work should be done with the smoked mixtures to investigate the "9 minute barrier" and to provide more qualitative mixtures for some future beta-carboline/Tryptamine cookbook. Finally, we hope that the information in this article might be correlated with the work of other researchers to suggest entirely new areas for research and to provide explanations for some of these phenomena. Stay High and Stay Free, Gracie and Zarkov 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Xxoo Area: Magical Plants To: Herbs 5 Feb 94 11:52:00 Subject: question Shrooms?? UpdReq H> I know you can legally buy the sppores , but if H> you get aressted with mature shrooms is there a H> penalty?? Depending on the state you are in, Yes or no. "Intent" plays a big part in state law, for the most part and proving intent without proof of a sale/delivery is difficult. Don't deliver, "allow access" to your "amateur garden". Have more than one variety growing at a time and hopefully some edible varieties as well so that you can show that your mycogarden is diverse and not based around anything but hobby interest. Join your local area Mycological Society, and if there isn't one.....form one. Participate in frequent field expeditions and befriend landowners where you obtain permission to explore. I have several large tracts of land where I am always welcome to explore, courtesy of the landowner. I simply call first and wear an orange baseball hat he can spot real easy with his binoculars, if he has to find me (like when his pissed-off Simetaw bull was rampaging around trying to screw anything that would hold still) and warn me off. I tell him what I find and answer any questions he may have about what I find on his property (usually about toxicity/edibility). My specimens can number in the hundreds and I have provided them to a local college for their specimen bank. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Rose Dawn 6 Feb 94 07:08:00 Subject: Re: MS UpdReq RD>Veering slightly off topic--are you on the list for BetaSeron? Not even No I'm not, 'cause now I'm told it cause SEVERE depression that can last a year. Have you heard of this? I'm waiting for more info, but the longer I wait, the more degeneration I sustain. This is a VERY tough call for me - esprcially since it affects the quality of my life so significantly. I guess if we rally s t r e t c h it, we can say we're still on-topic, as depression is certainly an altered state and nothing limits us to only talking about "good" a.s.'s. RD>but I have a bizarre CNS condition known as ILS...somewhere on the Would like to hear more about this - at least spell it out for me. Having MS led me to be knowledgeable about other demylinating diseases, so please help me correct this gap in my knowledge. RD>why's and the 'mild symptoms' you mentioned...if you're interested maybe RD>we could find another echo to talk about all the above, or possibly I Yes, I'm VERY interested - so interested I'll pay for at least an hour's long distance time, if you'll provide me your phone#. I won't post mine, as it would blow my cover. > 5-MEO-DMT source). I'd be blind and crippled, but I'd still have a > meaningful life taking a trip every 3 days. Most of Dr. "Death" > Kevorkian's "patients" were MS victims who were blind and > wheel-chair bound. RD>Been there, done that, climbed back out. Don't be too hasty, if you Belive me, I'm not! I think I can still have a meaningful life even if blind and crippled, but it's going to be tough! I think LSD should be made medicinally availible for people with severe MS symptoms, plus hosts of others. Actually, I think it should be made legal, period. I've got it! That's how'll I'll find meaning in my life, even if blind and immobile! I'll take on the guv'ment big time ( I can be very effective at such things, and failing that VERY ANNOYING) to get LSD approved for medicinal use. No kidiing, I"M SERIOUS! Want to get a petition started, signed by everyone we know with demylinating symptoms? No bullshit, send me your #. RD>years left to live; screw that noise, I plan to live a long & meaningful RD>life and think it's eminently do-able. Oops, sorry for sounding ARROOOO! I'm a big believer in self-empowerment. RD>preachy...I'll go back to lurking again now. ;> Please don't do that, as your message was very important to me. The MS effects are the biggest problem (no shit, bill!) in my life. I need some hope; I have a lot, but it's impossible to get too much. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 6 Feb 94 07:34:34 Subject: 'Shroom hunting in Oklahoma UpdReq Yesterday a friend told me there is good P3 hunting in OK - do you know anything about this? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Herbs 6 Feb 94 07:39:08 Subject: question Shrooms?? UpdReq HH> I know you can legally buy the sppores , but if you get aressted HH>with mature shrooms is there a penalty?? Yeah, they tell your mother :) Cultivation is a MAJOR, M A J O R, drug crime, even for a first offense. When you buy spores with intent to grow, buy a tube of K-Y Jelly at the same time - your virgin asshole is going to need it when you get put away for 5-10. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 6 Feb 94 07:41:46 Subject: Re: Netmail UpdReq DB>I checked out most of the well-known services and none of them have DB>*FULL* DB>Internet access. With Dephi, you get the whole enchalada. That's a bit of an overstatement, but only to us nitpickers:) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: David Arnold 6 Feb 94 07:50:06 Subject: Finally! UpdReq DA>as for psychiatry, i distrust the whole profession intensely. DA>psychology is a different matter. psychiatry is a branch of medicine, DA>whereas psychology is not... ....Which is why you'll need to pay big bucks to a shrink to get a 'script for legal MDMA (yeah, right, as if that were real fugging likely). God talked to me once, so I asked him: "Will weed ever be legal?" "Not in your lifetime." "Will LSD ever be legal?" "Not even in MY fucking lifetime! Slap yourself for asking a patently stupid question, moron!" 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 02:36:52 Subject: 5-MEO-DMT/JLF UpdReq JLF is going to place a purchase order as soon as you give him a source. Give him several, in case one doesn't work. He has the sales tax license, etc, that probably make him a valid buyer to any capitalistic chem supplier. ARROOO! - let's hope he doesn't jack the price up too many times. I guess it's the nature of the grey market that profit margins have to merit the bullshit these companies have to put up with - maybe it's the cost of their malpractice insurance :) At least he's a reliable company; some I've dealt with have been black holes; my money went in, but nothing came back out. I guess that's partly my fault for choosing the ones with the lowest prices. If you send $10 amd get nothing, the bastards get an infinite profit mark-up, and you get jack-shit. He says his complete P3 spore syringe/media kit is exactly what the "foolproof" tech briefs you mentioned call for. He's done it all, 'cept for you push the syringe. I thought $70 for the syringe and 6 prepared media jars was a bit high, but it now looks great - based on what you said about this "Foolproof" method. How does it differ from the standard methods that produce only contaminated jars of junk rather than pay dirt? Explanation for those who might be new to this echo: JLF is a company dealing in an extensive inventory of ethnobotanicals - the most... ahem.... interesting I've ever seen. He ain't cheap, but the service and products are first class. Some of his stuff is even cheap, e.g. 1200 opium poppy seeds for $5. His prices are pretty much the same as the others, so I think the Justice Department should investigate the whole lot of them for violations of the snti-trust laws :) Address & #: JLF POB 184-F Elizabethtown, IN 47232 812-379-2508 The catalog listing for the kit is: #138. Psilocybe cubensis mushroom simplified growing kit. No Sterile environments needed. Includes ready-to-go innoculating spore syringe six, pre-sterilized media-filled jars and instructions. Can not be sent to CA. $69.95 At that price, It'd BETTER fucking be foolproof. You can call up, place an order on the machine, and they'll send it COD. State that you want the "full edition" version of the catalog to make sure you get the one packed with the super stuff. When I first requested a catalog I got a lobotomized version that was very good - till I saw all the stuff in the long version. I got his latest catalog about a week ago and can't believe some of the stuff he's just added to his listings. My testicles started to s-w-e-l-l just reading it! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 02:38:50 Subject: (Private) UpdReq Call Me! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Kayla Block 7 Feb 94 19:35:50 Subject: Drug Testing UpdReq KB>(i'm going to keep bugging you for that 'risk of posting' thing!) ;> KB>is it the same as the thing that deep black recently posted? El correcto. What did you think of it? KB>LOL, well---i don't scare too easily. Arrooo! KB>besides, if it is the thing that KB>deep black posted, it's too late. It's rarely ever too late, except on rare occassions. [As Billy Crystal once said at the academy award presentation, "Hey, I just made that up!" KB>find a dentist that would give it to me, because of the novacaine KB>problem that i mentioned to you before. If all else fails, try some Dr. Jack Daniels. KB>that was convenient. I am enlightened; so such things cross my path naturally to be my gurus. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Kayla Block 7 Feb 94 19:38:08 Subject: 5-MEO-DMT UpdReq >In the "Magic Plants" echo, Deep Black maintains 5-MEO-DMT is KB>absolutely LL> I don't get that echo unfortunatly. How can I get in touch KB>with LL> Aldrich Chemicals? and how is Deep Black ingested? What's it LL> made of? KB>ROTFL! how is deep black ingested!!! that's a good one. well, deep KB>black, how would _you_ respond to this inquiry? };-] I offer the following riposte: Deep Black would probably prefer to be ingested via deep throat technique :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Kayla Block 7 Feb 94 19:42:56 Subject: Finally! UpdReq P> Seriously, are you involved in a serious relationship? KB>believe it or not, that's a hard question for me to figure out how to KB>answer. for the last year, i've been involved with someone who actually KB>lives in new zealand. he has spent some time here, and i went there for That's not a "relationship", that's a pen pal :) KB>be heading back down there in march. so, i suppose it is serious, but KB>'uncommitted' due to the distance involved. it's a tricky and rather Hey, OKlahoma is a lot closer than NZ - and you have Deep Black and myself here - Oklahoma: land of witty, enlightened men. But DB is mare'eed. So I guess that leaves me :) Send GIF as file enclosure :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 19:49:08 Subject: Re: 5-MEO-DMT UpdReq DB>then DB>order a larger amount or advise what you need to do to look legit so you The book: "Recreational Drugs" by Professor Buzz tells you how to look legit, in detail. DB>one. DB>Be cool, folks. Lets only get one if we intend on USING it, ok? Not me - I'm going to get one to wipe my ass, so the money I save on Charmin can buy more 5MEODMT :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 19:56:48 Subject: Re: Netmail UpdReq DB>fuck with Internet through a strictly Unix-command based system (using DB>UUCP, DB>I guess?) My hats off to you, bro! Well, I did go to the library and get a general Unix book. Without that, I probably would've been stuck at the prompt. DB>Those commercials always gave me the munchies! Made me want to head out DB>to DB>Dennys at four AM to get a Grand-Slam breakfast! Unless you live in CA: there it's the Grand Klan Breakfest. [If anybody doesn't get this, check the newspapers from last year, as I'm deluged with more inane e-mail than I've got time for, e.g. "Duh, how 'ya ingest that thare deep black stuff". Note to whoever posted that: don't take that personnaly; I'm an equal opportunity asshole.] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 20:00:50 Subject: Re: Dangers of posting UpdReq DB>No, because I'm not doing anything illegal. Others close to me MIGHT be Oh... umm... ahh... - That's RIGHT, so none of us have ANYTHING to worry about! DB>Last time I checked, our info only gets our "names" on a list, but what DB>else is new? Not so much what's new as what's old, and the last time I checked, Dr. Tim told an audience I was in that the pigs planted those roaches on him. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 20:06:42 Subject: Re: Finally! UpdReq Ph> Seriously, are you involved in a serious relationship? DB>Hey! That's MY question! Nanny nanny boo boo, I beat 'ya to it. No guts, no glory. "Ya snooze 'ya loose. He who hesitates, whacks off. [Note to the guy who asked me how you ingest deep black: No I didn't mean, "Wax off, wax on".] And besides, youuuurrrr Marrriiieeeed - so go take some MDMA ... and tell your wife you love her, and leave poor Kayla to someone who's single - LIKE ME!! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 20:14:28 Subject: MS UpdReq Ph> At least I'm still seeing and walking; lots of MS victims aren't. Ph> Should I ever get that bad, I want to rat-hole away 1000 hits of DB>LSD Ph> (if I could find it, I'd do it now - hopefully DB will find us a Ph> 5-MEO-DMT source). I'd be blind and crippled, but I'd still have a Ph> meaningful life taking a trip every 3 days. DB>I'm sorry to hear....but I *LOVE* your take on the way to "escape" the DB>prison of your flesh! I will do my best! Well hurry the fuck up, before I start seeing dead realatives standing around me :) ...And be sure to vote for library millages: because of tachyphaxis, I'll need lots of books-on-tape for the other 2 days, and I don't want to be stuck with just a bunch of Dannielle Steel readings, or those "One Minute Manager" ones. ??> Duh... How'dya ingest that thare tachyphaxis stuff?. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Kayla Block 7 Feb 94 20:19:14 Subject: Leaving Town UpdReq KB>quake, i've had a bunch of highly negative things going on, culminating OK, you can go, so long as you don't blame your beliefs and turn fundi on us. KB>least a week. (i just need to get out of town for a little R & R.) so, I feel slighted - don't you get enough, "arrr, arrr, arrr, arrr,..." [ala Mork] from my witty postings? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Deep Black 7 Feb 94 20:22:32 Subject: Re: question Shrooms?? UpdReq DB>No, P3 spores are completely legal to possess. Some states my not allow DB>shippment into their jurisdiction. California is one of these. ...Void where prohibited by law, shake before using, do not mix with other household cleaning products, professional drivers on closed roads, do not try at home.... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Phanerothyme Area: Magical Plants To: Xxoo 7 Feb 94 20:30:48 Subject: question Shrooms?? UpdReq XX> Join your local area Mycological Society, and if there isn't XX>one.....form one. Participate in frequent field expeditions and befriend XX>landowners where you obtain permission to explore. I have several large ...buy grocery store mushrooms, dry in oven, take to a Dead concert, find some asshole who's over-charging for blotter, tell him 'shrooms make your testicles break out in boils, trade him a pound of dried 'shrooms for just, "...one measly, little blotter", laugh all the way home, take immediately... ...BECOME ENLIGHTENED! XX>pissed-off Simetaw bull was rampaging around trying to screw anything XX>that would hold still) and warn me off. ...And was it good for you? Does he write or call? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718