From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: Maldoror 29 Jan 94 01:06:04 Subject: xtc UpdReq 93 maldoror! fancy meeting you here! > literature on XTC's effects on neurochemistry? M> Last time I talked to a girl who took xtc once, and she M> said, she would not take it anymore cause when she was M> in the disco, she was not able to stop dancing. Even M> with big demand to talk to someone, she was not able to M> stop! LOL, sounds like an effect that i call 'the law of inertia'. probably, if she started out talking, she wouldn't have been able to dance. :) 93, --kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Magical Plants To: Phanerothyme 29 Jan 94 01:07:42 Subject: Drug Testing UpdReq 93 phanerothyme, (i'm going to keep bugging you for that 'risk of posting' thing!) ;> KB>don't know if i mentioned it to you, but UCLA recently got permission to KB>begin doing some studies of LSD and XTC using human subjects. i'm not P> Sig me up!!! their ideal subjects that they are hoping to get are people with a history of MDMA use, no other street drug history, preferably working in the mental health field, (ie. therapists, etc.) seems unlikely that they will be able to get exactly that. P> Am going to dentist for a cleaning in 25 minutes, will P> get nitrous (I told them even cleaning makes me real P> uptight) for first time in my life; check mark by i tend to have a bad reaction to novacaine, and usually won't allow them to use it on me. i have begged various dentists for nitrous, but even the ones that have the tanks are always really hesitant. i've never had any of them give me nitrous. but, i have tried some at raves, parties, etc. it's ok. hope you >enjoy< yourself at the dentist! 93, --kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Deep Black Area: Magical Plants To: Kayla Block 28 Jan 94 18:16:00 Subject: Re: Netmail UpdReq KB> (oops, almost forgot to mention---i did get your netmail. thanks. i KB> guess you never received mine. i can't quite figure out how to send KB> it on the board that i call to access usenet. maybe i can figure out KB> how to gate it through fidonet.) The different front end handlers can be daunting, even if you are used to that sort of stuff. The one my sister uses at work would be too painful for anyone to use. Internet as a whole is fairly complex at first, but so is BBSing when one first begins. That is why I like Delphi so much as it has some of the best access of any of the pay services (as far as how much of the net it brings in.) One other thing that is nice about it is that all of its software interfaces are easy to understand and do not force you to learn inordinate amounts of commands, etc. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Deep Black Area: Magical Plants To: All 29 Jan 94 22:10:00 Subject: Dangers of posting UpdReq WS> LIST risks.of From: Ben Masel Newsgroups: alt.drugs Date: 27 Aug 93 22:12 PDT Subject: Re: experiences with anonymous posting? Message-ID: <1301300327@igc.apc.org> Couple months ago a Sherriff's Dept Captain casually mentioned having recieved a regular log of my postings regarding Weedstock legalities. coure I didn't use anon. ------------------------------------------------ Ben Masel, bmasel@igc.org 608-257-5456 POB 3481, Madison WI 53704 Director Wisconsin NORML, sponsors of Great Midwest Marijuana Harvest Festival, Sept. 25 ------------------------------------------------ f ============================================================================= From: mmm@cup.portal.com Subject: The RISKS of Posting to the Net Date: Thu, 23 May 91 11:58:07 PDT Newsgroups: comp.risks I just had an interesting visit from the FBI. It seems that a posting I made to sci.space several months ago had filtered through channels, caused the FBI to open (or re-open) a file on me, and an agent wanted to interview me, which I did voluntarily. My posting concerned destruct systems for missiles. I had had a chance to look at the manual on the destruct system used on the Poseidon and Polaris A3 missiles, and was shocked at the vulnerability of the system which triggers the system. In my posting, I commented that the system seemed less secure than many garage-door openers. It uses a set of three tones, in which two tones are presented, then one tone is taken away and the third tone is applied. The only classified parts of the system are the frequencies of the second and third tones. On the net, I asked whether tone control systems like this are still used for missile destruct systems. By e-mail, I received an answer from a person who was currently designing a destruct system, and he indeed confirmed that not only are tone-control destruct systems still used, they are a requirement of some test ranges. (However, he thought it would be difficult to send a bogus destruct command because of the need to blot out one of the tones which is transmitted continuously from ground control; it would be far easier to insert a bogus flight control command and send the missile toward a city.) A few months later, I received a message from my sysop asking me to call a person at Patrick Air Force Base who wanted to get in touch with me. This guy was real concerned that I had revealed "sensitive" information. He said he kept his copy of my posting in his safe! I guess he didn't know that it had already been distributed throughout the industrialized world. He didn't want to say anything about the subject over the phone. He asked whether I would be willing to be interviewed by an investigator. I agreed, and he said I would be contacted within 24 hours by someone locally. That was the last I heard of him. I suppose he talked to someone who knew more about destruct systems, and was reassured that it isn't possible because it hasn't happened yet. Two days ago, more than half a year after my original posting, I got a message that someone from the Palo Alto office of the FBI wanted to talk to me. I called him, and we agreed to meet this morning. He didn't seem too concerned with the technical aspects of my posting -- I guess he also had his own experts to consult. He mostly seemed to be checking me out to see if I was plotting to blow up a missile. He was also very interested in how the net works. I told him all about the net. He wanted to know if there was any sort of censorship or control over what goes on the net, and I explained it was mostly after-the-fact control, for example if you post a commercial advertisement the management of your site will get a ton of e-mail asking that your account be cancelled. He asked whether someone could post an offer for $10,000 for blueprints of a missile or something, and I said there isn't any sort of censorship that would prevent that sort of thing. But the closest thing to a request for information on performing a crime that I knew of was a couple years ago when someone asked in the chemistry newsgroup about methods for electrically igniting a chemical. I told him about the controversy that caused, though I omitted my role in answering the original poster's question :-) I also told him about newsgroups like alt.drugs, rec.pyrotech, etc. He took copious notes. He asked about the equipment needed to access the net. I told him about computers and modems and Portal. I should contact Portal management to see if I get a bonus if he signs up as a customer :-) The only surprise came at the end of the interview. He asked if I had any questions. I said I was curious how my posting ended up in his hands. Before he could answer, I said I suppose you were contacted by that guy at Patrick Air Force Base. This surprised him, and he said he knew of no involvement by anyone at Patrick Air Force Base. I asked how he _did_ know about my posting, and he said he couldn't answer that. I then went on to tell him about the controversy over Uunet, and their role in supplying archives of Usenet traffic on tape to the FBI, and he seemed surprised by that also. So what's the RISK here? None to me, because I was a perfectly innocent party. I suppose some people would be really concerned to learn that their postings to the net are being monitored for possible illegal activity. But I would be far more concerned if they weren't. The fact that two independent investigations were started is reassuring to me, because it shows that the government is not totally brain-dead with regard to possible threats to their big projects. Certainly if _I_ were FBI director, I would consider Usenet to be a great resource. I'd learn all about computer crime, recreational drugs that aren't illegal yet, low-tech ways of building bombs, how to contact Earth First!, etc., etc. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: David Arnold Area: Magical Plants To: Acid 29 Jan 94 22:46:04 Subject: strange things UpdReq > Does anyone know of tests conducted in the U.S.A. in the 50's and 60's > by the CIA (OSS whatever) where LSD was tested on the unsuspecting > public? yes and no. i bought this book called "Acid Dreams" (don't remember the author) a few years ago, about LSD, the Acid Age, and the CIA's machinations. it's considered to be accurate and well done. but my ex-wife loaned it to a friend of hers before i had a chance to read it, and her "friend" wasn't ever mine (if you know what i mean). from what i already know on the subject (which is not much), the CIA wanted to use it to control people, but the experiment backfired when they found that LSD did the opposite: it gave people control of themselves and made them impervious to outsider's anal control (in a way). david 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718