From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 31 Oct 96 09:04:08 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq On Oct 28 22:41 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: G> no, you do not understand what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that I G> need every part - this means: I need my arm as well as my leg. and I am not G> able to say that one of it is more important or whatever than the other. G> the HGA would be nothing without that part which is me. like Nuit is nothing G> without Hadit. Exactly. But I don't see how the concepts we have been discussing indicates any part being more or less "important" or "disconnected" from the whole in any way. That's the point I'm trying to get across. G> putting something 'higher' on the chart for me only could be a G> pragmatical thing - e.g. by alphabet or something like that, because there G> has to be an order in which the /parts/ can be written down. but this G> doesn't imply a judging. You lost me here... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 31 Oct 96 09:06:26 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq On Oct 28 22:41 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: G> not being american I don't know much about american politicians or your G> pain. but I think that 'your pain' is not the same within everybody.... Of course not. G> I don't know what Clinton did before he became president He, like all other Presidents and political leaders, was a rich-boy who was born into the society of political leaders. He is part of the Ruling Class, plain and simple. G> but Reagan was an actor and I assume he was not only a bad actor but even G> totally normal except for that he became president later on. so he should G> have experienced being a waiter as well as any ordinary actor in the world G> [enough of this stereotype! G> =)] Well, I would debate that Reagan was ever just a normal guy. Most likely he was also born into the same Class as Clinton and all the others. However, I can't speak from an educated standpoint on that. However, if we assume that Regan WAS a normal guy- it is also telling to see that he was actually a decent President. On the other hand, we have Clinton.... G> [gods] >> Ah! Well, I honestly see Them in all of the above. Although I don't feel G> fine. now I can get a better impression what you mean when we are writing G> about gods! ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: GHOST 31 Oct 96 13:42:00 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq GH>no, you do not understand what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that I n And you didn't get what I was saying: GH>every part - this means: I need my arm as well as my leg. and I am not able GH>say that one of it is more important or whatever than the other. GH>the HGA would be nothing without that part which is me. like Nuit is nothing GH>without Hadit. That was implied in my diagram of the single entity with component parts, some portion of which, for convenience's sake, is placed "higher" on the chart. Same entity, different component. GH>putting something 'higher' on the chart for me only could be a pragmatical GH>thing - e.g. by alphabet or something like that, because there has to be an GH>order in which the /parts/ can be written down. but this doesn't imply a GH>judging. That was precisely what I had said, earlier. *shrug* * SLMR 2.1a * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: KHEPHERA 31 Oct 96 13:46:00 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq KH>Refering, of course, to the Golden Dawn's "version" of the system. I dumped KH>that one myself. Once I'm well versed in the original, then I'll rip off an KH>of the workable advances the GD might have made. Well, they did a workable synthesis. And looking at it from an evolving-of-magick perspective, they did well. KH>And lets not even TALK about the Schuler's "work" on the subject. ;) I still haven't found anyone willing to specify *exactly* what's wrong with Schueller's work. It was my first exposure to Enochian magick, and to a large degree I still like his stuff... Mainly as a sourcebook, but. . . KH>Merkavah Mysticism is what it's all about. It's about gaining entrance to t KH>Palaces contained in each of the Seven Heavens. It was once very dangerous- KH>but I don't yet know if it still is. Hell, looking on the face of God used to be dangerous, but they smooth down the edges of mirrors now. ;) * SLMR 2.1a * Nothing is so screwed up that it can't be simplified 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: KHEPHERA 31 Oct 96 13:49:00 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq KH>MS> Performing the rites is beneficial, god or not: KH>I disagree. If the God does not exist, then placeing food in front of it KH>weekly or daily (or whatever) is not beneficial in the least. Following the KH>particular commands of the God does little to please the God if it doesn't KH>exist. However, performing various ritual/obedience acts, whether or not there is some deity who gives a damn, does provide your subconscious, consciousness, life-in-general, the message that you desire certain effects therefrom... And if we allow the ability for one to create one's own reality, then the fact of deity, or lack thereof, becomes irrelevant; if you believe your actions yield certain results...they so yield. Course, if there is no such deity, I guess that makes us God. "Thou Art God!" * SLMR 2.1a * All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: JOSH NORTON 31 Oct 96 13:54:00 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq JN>It's actually impossible to use the enochian magick without going beyond JN>the bounds of what was recorded by Dee. The reason for this is that while JN>there is a lot of description of what one can achieve using the magick, JN>the record contains exactly _one_ ambiguous paragraph on how to actually use JN>the stuff. And that paragraph doesn't say a damned thing about the Calls! A shame they didn't leave a blunt statement of pronunciation... The idea given (I think in the Enochian Dictionary by whomever) that they were just pronouncing it in garbled English makes it a truly barbaric language... Klingon 101 Prerequisite... JN>The implication of that one paragraph is that the magician is expected to JN>learn their use by a sort of "bootstrap" method. He is supposed to invoke JN>all the angels of the Tablets over a period of fifteen days, and the JN>angels themselves would thereafter show him how to go on to more specific JN>uses. Ever given it a shot? :) That reminds me of a question I've been meaning to sling to you, regarding the "removal of the Abyss", according to your experiences... What, then, happens to Zax? I have visions of parting the veil at 10 Aethyr Street to find Choronzon's FOR SALE BY OWNER sign planted in the yard. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: CHRIS ROEDOCKER 31 Oct 96 13:56:00 Subject: Magic UpdReq CR>people to frog or anything. Can you give me some genral details? Should I CR>spell magic magick? Whats the diffrence? Precisely one "k". * SLMR 2.1a * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: KHEPHERA 31 Oct 96 13:57:00 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq KH>I agree they can become crutches- just as can the books. But, I disagree th KH>they are "just" focal points. If you consecrate them, they become living KH>entities very capable of aiding your Magickal Operation. Of course, then the tool becomes a focal point, we call it a "home", for the entities residing therein. ;) * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Irv Koch Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 30 Oct 96 18:05:04 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq G> politicians or your pain. but I think that 'your pain' G> is not the same within everybody.... G> I don't know what Clinton did before he became president G> but Reagan was an actor and I assume he was not only a He was a politition. That's about all he ever was. Started as a lawyer and worker for other polititions. G> but Reagan was an actor and I assume he was not only a G> bad actor but even totally normal except for that he G> became president later on. so he should have experienced G> being a waiter as well as any ordinary actor in the G> world [enough of this stereotype! =)] He was a radio sports announcer, a VERY popular movie actor, and then the leader of the actors' union. The union job laster quite a while and took him into politics. He had some "waiter type" jobs somewhere along the way. Clinton never did. G> fine. now I can get a better impression what you mean G> when we are writing about gods! Really really badly off topic when in the same thread with USA polititians, at least for the last 200 years or so. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Irv Koch Area: MagickNet To: Magick 31 Oct 96 15:19:18 Subject: The Liber Kaos UpdReq M> Hello. I was wondering if any of you owned or had read a M> copy of _Liber_Kaos_ by Peter Carroll. A friend of mine Yes to both. It's got "the equations" for magick in it. M> has recently recommended the work to me. He was talking M> about a circle of 9 spheres connected to this book. Don't remember that but there were all sorts of diagrams. How 'bout 9 spheres in a Venn diagram (shows overlaps)? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718