From: Ghost Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 30 Sep 96 23:25:28 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq .'. M=>> awakened, but even magicians occasionally sleep > Atreides told his son "The sleeper must awaken." speaking of the inner eye > and mind that controls things unseen. two other suggestions: -Gurdjieff (sp?) ["War against sleep"] -the Sleepers of the Arthurian legend -+* 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ghost Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 3 Oct 96 01:25:36 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq .'. G>> no. nobody seemed to have recognised it. > Let me guess: New York? :):):) no, not this time >>> I'd look into some books by A.E Wallis Budge. He covers EVERYTHING G>> do you have any titles you would recomment on the language? > Oh, I can get you started no problem. Respond to this, and it'll be a ok, I let the lines above for you memory > Actually, it's a quote from Jim Carey in "Batman: Forever". I'm somewhat hehe > But, the Egyptian grammer is not what you are used to. years ago I tried to learn celtic languages.... remembering the different order in the sentences > Instead, it is the GAINING and APPLICATION of the knowledge- which > immediately implies Wisdom along with it. I can not go along with your point of view on it. there are too many people with a huge amount of knowledge but nearly no wisdom. [most scientists or politicians] and expecially the politicians have a lot of power [or the industry, ok] but they can't use this power in a way I would call wise or something like that. {but if you want to say something like 'true power' ok, forget the last paragraph ] > And if a God doesn't imply Wisdom, I don't know what does. ;) what are the words 'wisdom' and 'power' mean to you? 'what' do you call god(s?) ? [trying to avoid long argues without reason] >>> (SeXem) was the Egyptian Word for what we call "Holy Guardian Angel" G>> that's interesting. they had a 'concept' like this? > Most of what we do today (ie, the Western Hermetical Traditions) traces > back in some way back to them. Them and the Babylonians. which is no real answer.... I have read about the Ba and the godlikeliness of the pharao but that's it [so far]. > You see, the HGA is *you*. can't be. if he were me, I wouldn't have to search for him. > It's your Higher Self. rch. I don't like the expression of 'higher self' - either it is my self or it is 'higher', meaning something else. I can't be higher than / different from me, it wouldn't be me anymore. > you are linking into your true Self, and thus your True Will. Nothing but this point I've overseen so far. I never got an idea what the True Will might be. tnX > good can come from that. And, finally, when you allow your Earthly ego to > die and the REAL you take over....that's the big stuff. ;) reminds me of "the dark crystal" - have you seen the film?! -+* 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ghost Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 3 Oct 96 01:50:14 Subject: meta-.... UpdReq .'. > Well, modern usage aside, I look at the root of the words and that is what > I take it to mean. I doubt that Aristoteles used the words right away from the roots. imho he used it in the tongue of _his_time_. -+* 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ghost Area: MagickNet To: Pan 30 Sep 96 23:06:36 Subject: Re: Pollution UpdReq .'. > the 'evolved' social consensus would show that no one has the right to take > the life of another just becouse they want to. at home we have a proverb roughly traslated :"don't tease animals 'cuz they feel the pain like yourself." but if something attacks me, I don't think it's the time to be smart. and I see it in the same way with everything else. but I think killing is the _last_ way to go. > in this sense (social), it may be a good idea to actuall tell people, > 'don't harm anybody',' don't even threaten anyone' .. if they think for themself they should be able to decide what they do. [but I doubt most of them would use the brain/heart anyway.... ] or in other words: the decalog is a fine invention for the mindless. -+* 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ghost Area: MagickNet To: Jade 30 Sep 96 23:35:20 Subject: Pollution UpdReq .'. I think you'll get a lot more answers.... here is my personal view on it. > So, onwards to this, what exactly is Thelema and how does it relate to > magickal practice? let me take the "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." 'DO' - not only talking about it, acting it out is important. like laurence of arabia wrote about men dreaming in the night and men dreaming in the day: the latter are the dangerous 'cause they make their dreams come true. [I was looking for the original part but haven't found it.... ] 'THOU' - knowing who I am, and therefore who I was. 'WILL` - What is my will? / the Great Work (whatever it might be) and nothing more. nobody has to command me or tell me what to do/ think/ be/ eat/ watch on TV [some more about this you can find in Liber OZ (77) from Crowley]. I don't think that there is a 'right place' where a person belongs to except for the one he finds himself. .... but it seems to be a big problem to me at the moment to get the chaotic [a bit nihilistic] 'kick ass and chew bubblegum' together with the [gnostic] idea of an HGA. -+* 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Mephisto 5 Oct 96 22:21:38 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq On Oct 02 06:09 96, Mephisto of 93:9176/0 wrote: M> One is not necessarily expressing superiority over someone by M> simply calling attention to the fact of their apparent lack of M> communication with that Spirit of their own way. M> A man who spends 8 hours a day sleeping, 8 hours a day doing M> hard manual labor, and 8 hours a day drinking beer and watching M> tv, is Mundane to me no matter how Spiritual this lifestyle may M> be for them. ;) Ha! I like it. ;) This is exactly why I use the term "mundane". That, and it refers to those people who are all little carbon copies of each other, and have been taken by the games that society plays with them. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Stardance 5 Oct 96 22:25:02 Subject: Re: Magick styles UpdReq On Oct 01 12:45 96, Stardance of 93:9301/0 wrote: S> Sometimes I think people become so caught up in formality and ritualism that S> they tend to forget there are *many* out there who could care less about all S> that...and can still do the same kinds of things, without all the extra S> baggage. [...] S> Books are useful things, I readily admit to owning a rather extensive S> library ranging over all kinds of subjects....but I am not limited to them. S> That was what I was trying to say. I have to say myself on this one. I have been- from the very first post that I made in this thread- being trying to clarify that I'm on *your side* in this debate. But, from the beginning, you and others have mistaken me for defending the "do it by the book" crowd. Nothing I can say seems to clarify my position, which is why I haven't responded to this thread as of late... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Mephisto 5 Oct 96 22:27:04 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq On Oct 02 06:25 96, Mephisto of 93:9176/0 wrote: DR>> > To perform a Spell, you HAVE to do certain things like: DR>> > Focus on the Goal, Access the correct parts of the Mind, DR>> > Raise Energy, Direct that Energy by the Will, etc. DR>>-snip= DR>>what about those who do do believe at all in your "stated" have to's, DR>>those who just reach out with their power and DO THINGS DIRECTLY ??? M> It can be argued that those who just "reach out with their M> power" and "DO THINGS DIRECTLY" have managed to focus on the M> goal, access the correct parts of the mind, raise energy, direct M> energy, etc., instantly, without much foreplay involved... An M> ability one develops with practice, in almost any endeavor. THANK YOU, MEPHISTO! You are the first person to finally get the jist of what the hell I was trying to say! ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 4 Oct 96 10:25:00 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq You wrote before that you were looking for a Book Of Enoch to add to your Grimoir collection. So, I came, I saw, I bought it! Yes! It is a book of magic, much pithier than my own Book Of Shadows, and heavy in its uses and in its implications. Since I know how to use a grimoir, like you do, it doesn't bother me if it is written in christianeese, because the Magus and Paraclesus's stuff are also mixed, coded, obscured, and written like a xian fundyschool inspirational track, so TBOE won'yt throw you much. I alsready have found it to be an invaluable oracle. When consmic questions and self revelAtions R needed, I concentrate, merge, And open The Book Of Enoch to a random page. Often the meaning becomes either instant, or delayed, it comes as understanding. The other way to read it is as the personal vision notebook of a practicing Mage of universal proportions. I dare say that any current Enochian magician could have written The Book Of Enoch. There is even a couple of pages on when and how to invoke the moon, times and tides. Its all in code, like The Magus, so its very rich in levels of meaning. Mundane its a serias of codefied behaviors and the ol Heaven-Hell thing. On the magi level its details for summoning angelic forces, but you really have to be experienced in DOING magic to see this part. On a higher level the book itself is a door to altered states of consciousness. Within the hints and onbscure referrences is detailed sacrifices, prayers, aspects, and appearance of the Angelic Host. The narator is our ol friend from Elizabethan magic-Uriel. I bought the paperback, payed 6$ The Book Of Enoch translated by R.H. Charles, ISBN 0 281 01261 X 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 4 Oct 96 10:27:00 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq Hello Josh! If you are lurking near by, please draw near! I just got a copy of The Book Of Enoch in an english xlation, and just wrote a post to Khephera on my impressions. I would love to hear what you think about it if you have seen it. Is it really Enochian Magic? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dragon Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 3 Oct 96 10:38:00 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq > D> what about those who do do believe at all in your "stated" have to's, > D> those who just reach out with their power and DO THINGS DIRECTLY ??? > Doesn't matter. If you are reaching out with your power and > doing something "directly"(?), you are still covering all of > my stated "have to's". perhaps so.. > Don't confuse my statments with something like: "You have to > say this, or wear that, or use that particular tool, or got that.. > If all the basics of how to work Magick are covered-then your Magick > will work. "How" you cover the basics is of little matter-snip- > On the other hand, if those basics are not covered, then the > Magick will not work. You can not, I don't care what anyone > says, work Magick if you don't raise the Energy needed to > work the Magick. You can not work Magick if you don't then > direct that energy toward it's goal. You can not even raise that > energy in the first place if you don't open up all the right circuits > in your brian. Hell, all of that is true even if all your doing is > reaching out with your hand to pass the salt to someone across the > table.Are you telling me that you can work Magick without doing any of > these things? Frankly, I'm completely lost on what you mean by your > distinction between "doing things directly" & any other form of Magick... i was attempting to share there are those who only "think" something and it manifests, "like" on other planes but here, HAVE A HAPPY DREAM !, said the Dragon... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718