From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Jade 20 Sep 96 09:42:50 Subject: an it harm none UpdReq On Sep 16 20:08 96, Jade of 93:9301/0 wrote: NN>> What use of a world with no Satan? J> It's a world, just because it's without adversity does not make it good bad J> or otherwise. J> Life is a Celebration! J> Isn't it?? Yes. But, without adversity to overcome, there is nothing to celebrate. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 20 Sep 96 09:43:44 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball question... UpdReq On Sep 14 00:38 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: G>>> yea, right. and then U open the window and a fire engine stops in front >> Don't laugh. We have to disconnect the smoke alarms around here... ;) G> oh no . this reminds me of one morning after a party. we had one of those G> nice mashines to make artificial fog [and use it at home.... some ambient G> for breakfast....] in the end we weren't able to see as far as our hands G> -then opened a window.... I bet you were just loved by the neighbors for that one- and the fire dept. who I'm sure they called. ;) >> Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, G> what/who is Asherah? anyway - if it is nothing dangerous - TnX. Asherah is the Canaanite Goddess- wife of their Father God El- who was later adopted by the early Israelites. That's right, folks- Yahweh was Married! ;) G> btw - do You know a file/book or whatever on the pronounciation of ancient G> egypt; or do You have some guidelines? [and ehm, what means 'ar rex....'?] I'd look into some books by A.E Wallis Budge. He covers EVERYTHING you'd ever want to know about what we know about Egypt. ;) Ar Rex, etc. means "If Knowledge is Power, then a God am I". It's my Magickal Motto, and sums up how I see the Universe, as well as being something I aspire to. Especially since "Power" (SeXem) was the Egyptian Word for what we call "Holy Guardian Angel" or "Higher Self". Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel is, after all, the ultimate goal. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Domino 20 Sep 96 09:50:36 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq On Sep 02 11:26 96, Domino of 93:9180/1 wrote: D> Hrm... I had never heard of the Chaldean origin. I'm going to log onto the D> library service tonight and see if I can find anything about it. (The D> Memphis public library keeps an online card catalog and copies of most of D> their magazines and a couple books..) Let me know what you find. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Stardance 20 Sep 96 09:52:12 Subject: Re: Magick styles UpdReq On Sep 10 19:03 96, Stardance of 93:9301/0 wrote: Kh>> Plus, one who doesn't know how Magick works is stuck with the books. Kh>> If he ever finds himself without the book or needing something the Kh>> book doesn't cover- he's screwed. S> True. But what about those who simply bypass all of that??? Depends on what aspect you're talking about. If one bypasses those things that HAVE to be done for Magick to be Worked, then they will have no results at all. If, on the other hand, you are refering to someone who bypasses the specific techniques used in any Book, then they certainly can do this. Let me clarify a little: To perform a Spell, you HAVE to do certain things like: Focus on the Goal, Access the correct parts of the Mind, Raise Energy, Direct that Energy by the Will, etc. This is what I mean by content. The Grimiores cover these things (without openly explaining them)- each in thier own way. I'm saying that these things have to be covered, but you don't have to do it exactly like any one Grimore tells you to. Just so long as you do these things. S> It might *not* work, and it shouldn't, but sometimes it WILL work, and S> usually with disastrous results. Well, I wouldn't say "usually" with disastrous results. There are some Grimiore purests out there who are successful in thier work. They are just worth very little when they don't have the books with them... S> Content is *very* important, as well as *intent*.... Exactly. S> what I object to, as I have previously, is the attitude that one's state of S> dress has ANYTHING to do with the end results being S> sought. On this I do and do not agree. I understand where you are coming from, of course. Like I said: the mistake (and this is what I was trying to point out in my original message) is to think that you have to do EXACTLY word for word what a Grimiore tells you to do. The fact is, as long as those basic things (and others, of course) are covered, you can do it any way you want. So, to tell someone that (ie) "you HAVE to have this Wand, with these symbols on it, made this way, with these Words spoken over it, etc. for the Magick to work", then you are telling them a lie. So- apparently on this we agree. As long as the Magick User covers in his Spell whatever it was that that Wand was supposed to cover in it's own system. Where I do not agree is that the Tools- within a Tradition- can be VERY important. One who chooses Ceremonial Magick finds constant urges to Consecrate his Tools. Consecrating the Tools literally brings them to life- it awakens the Spirits within them, and then those Spirits take part in the Ceremony to a large degree. It's wrong to say that Tools, etc are a must for any Magick, and it is bad for a Wizard to become limited to them (like a child who can't do math because he has a calculator)- but to say that the Tools that some people use have *nothing* to do with their Magick is also wrong. Does that make sense? ;) S> Have someone feeling impatient with all the 'whys and wherefors' of S> things??? Not now- but I will. ;) S> Put it to them this way......would you try arc welding without a protective S> face mask and work apron/gloves on??? Nope. Why??? That'll get em every S> time. Good one! ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Jade 20 Sep 96 10:06:42 Subject: Pollution UpdReq On Sep 05 20:37 96, Jade of 93:9301/0 wrote: J> And it is splitting hairs like Occam's Razor to debate if the source is the J> Thelema or the Rede. The point is that you accused someone of mis-quoting (or misinterpreting) the Rede of the Wicca- when they were not refering to the Rede of the Wicca. J> And in response to your every person is a star J> comment....Well, that may be true, but the stars are not alone in the J> firmament and neither are we alone. Indeed it can be justifiably said that J> we are not alone for we are one. Admittedly from a certain point of view. You would have to understand the Thelemic Philosophy to understand the Star statment. It has nothing to do with actual burning spheres of gas out in space. ;) J> true of white, gray or black spells. I think that this may bear on the point J> I made a while ago, that magic might be polluting. If the magics once cast J> are so durable, then they share something of the nature of plastics and J> other artificial substances. Actually, the main source of pollution in the case of Magick comes from the publishing of the Magickal Rites. It was necessary for it to happen at this stage in history- but it harms the systems themselves when they are made public-knowledge. Just look at the NewAgers... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Jade 20 Sep 96 10:14:00 Subject: Pollution UpdReq On Sep 08 19:12 96, Jade of 93:9301/0 wrote: J> In response to your accusation that I was "correcting" someone and J> "imposing" my world view upon him. Why did you assume that? Jumping in again. ;) Here is a quote from your post: __________ PP> do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law... PP> --- GEcho 1.10+ PP> * Origin: The Wizard's Cavern BBS (93:9806/50) Sounds good but you forgot "and it HARM NONE." We have to be concerned if something we do harms another. It is part of the Rede itself. Otherwise we are selfish and self centered. There is no justification for the rule of three fold return. We are not alone either but all are one together. __________ You can see how your response looks like a "correction" of PP's post. It appeared as if you assumed that PP was quoting the Wiccan Rede, and misquoting. So Paul was simply pointing out that PP was not speaking of the Rede- but of the Book of the Law (from which the last line of the Rede, and half of the Charge of the Goddess does, indeed, descend from). But, the BOL predates the Rede and does not include "An it Harm None". Instead it includes "Love is the Law, Love under Will". Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Magick 22 Sep 96 13:57:36 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq On Sep 15 14:22 96, Magick of 93:9740/2 wrote: M> Greetings, All! M> The following text is part of an essay that I'm still in the midst of M> editting/writing. I'm new to this forum so I thought that posting this bit M> might serve to introduce me. Please feel free to send me feedback on it. M> Peace and all of that.... Nice essay. It seems that you have a handle on the basic concepts of Magick. However, I have to disagree with your stance on Religion. It's structure does not diminish the ability to perform Magick at all, and can in fact be a boon to the Magickian that others would sadly lack. I'm not saying that Religion is necessary at all- but niether would I go your route and say that it hinders. Just my feedback for you. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jade Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 22 Sep 96 18:13:00 Subject: an it harm none UpdReq Not really a bad joke, but definitely bespeaking of a strange sense of humor. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jade Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 22 Sep 96 18:12:00 Subject: Magic & the Operator UpdReq Well, from what I've read about quantum mechanics and the other really weird stuff, the operator effect does work on the grand scale to some extent. And remember one of the fine minds of speculative fiction did state (more or less) that "any highly advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic, and vice versa." To whit it all depends upon the observer and the observers bias. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Nocturnus Area: MagickNet To: Jade 18 Sep 96 21:50:00 Subject: an it harm none UpdReq RE: an it harm none BY: Jade to Nocturnus on Mon Sep 16 1996 08:08 pm > It's a world, just because it's without adversity does not make it good bad > otherwise. I would have to disagree, a world without adversity is a world that is stagnant. It is adversity and strife that make us better and stronger. A world without either is a stagnant world that would be so full of ennui that a person could not exist, and probably won't want to. A world without adversity, you are incorrect, it would be NEITHER good nor bad. It would just be...over and over and over...etc.....yin yang...etc..for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, as above so below...etc..etc..etc. Keeping the night alive Fraternus Noc Nocturnus 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718