From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Pan 3 Sep 96 14:20:46 Subject: abrahadabra UpdReq RE: abrahadabra BY: Pan to Shadow Gryphon on Thu Aug 29 1996 09:02 pm > man, crowley went nuts on that word. there's too much to it to explain it a > but crowley wrote this BOOK 4 in which he described how nursery rhymes and > childrens stories(fairies tails) were infact cleverly written stories for > alchemical proccess and magick formula.. > ....in the word abrahadabra, note the letters in the word, the value and t > number of letters in the word... be cool! > Okay, now I've heard a lot on Crowley, I get my carcass to the book store, gotta find one of his books..... ::very curious and wistful glance in the general direction of the bookstore:: 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: GOLDEN KNIGHT 3 Sep 96 14:19:18 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball question. UpdReq RE: Hmmm... Oddball question. BY: GOLDEN KNIGHT to SHADOW GRYPHON on Sat Aug 24 1996 11:40 pm > If you decide to try the scented oils, you might want to stop by most > any department or craft store and pick up a piece of felt. You can put > a few drops of oil on the felt and it lasts a while. You can also get > those little round felts that are generally used for pads on the bottoms > of trinket boxes, etc. They usually have sticky on one side. Hmmm... THat's a good idea..... I've got some felt I'll have to try that out.... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Stardance Subject: Re: Magick styles UpdReq On Aug 31 12:22 96, Stardance of 93:9301/0 wrote: Fi>> I agree. Of course, the "proper form" of the ritual can add to Fi>> it's power. The problem is not in observing form, it's when the form Fi>> takes over to the detriment of other factors more important to the Fi>> magick. S> Form as in wording of the ritual? Yes, I can agree with that. Form as in S> only certain modes of dress are deemed appropriate? No, I don't agree. What S> should it matter how one is, or isn't dressed? But some people obsess over S> this to the point other things become occluded, including the ritual itself. Actually, it's not so much the "form" of the Ceremony that is important as the content. That's where the problems come in. In order to perform certain Magicks, certain things have to be done. And, as long as those things are covered, then you're fine. The Grimiores (etc) are written to cover all of these things. Sometimes a Wizard/Witch (etc) will find that when they deviate from the "proper form", then the spell doesn't work. Thus they champion the cause of "doing it by the book" every time. However, this shows a huge lack of knowledge and experience. If one really learns what should be and should not be included in a Ceremony, then you can look at any Ceremony in a Grimiore and see what is what. You can cut any wheat from the chaff, or alter to suit your tastes, etc. Now, here's the real joke. Those who wrote the Grimiores knew this fact. Thus, they often included "blinds" in their books. Someone who knows how to work Magick will be able to find them and remove or fix them. Someone who does not will be forced to follow the Ceremony word for word. The Ceremony may work, but it is very limited. Plus, one who doesn't know how Magick works is stuck with the books. If he ever finds himself without the book or needing something the book doesn't cover- he's screwed. Fi>> Naturally, the newbe is not in the best of positions to judge how Fi>> good a "short cut" is. S> If you will recall...I meant those who bypass just about everything we would S> consider proper and necessary....ie, warding, etc, and jump straight to the S> 'meat' of something, wanting to see results *NOW*, and not caring how they S> achieve them. Mostly with disastrous results. There is a *reason* why And this compliments my statments above. It's not about "keeping form"- it's about knowing what the hell you are doing... ;) Heh...I think I'm going to have to save this to show to some of my students. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Stardance Area: MagickNet To: FireSpell 8 Sep 96 11:13:00 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq **** Constellations exploded when Stardance heard **** Fi> On Wed Sep 04, 1996 (12:27), Stardance wrote about Re: Magick styles: Fi> Netmail on this subject is heading your way. If you don't see it, I Fi> would check with your sysop. S> Ummm, what netmail???? Fi> The netmail I sent you, of course. I can control the fact that Fi> it's sent out. However, I can't control what (if anything) the BBS Fi> you call does with it when it arrives. On THIS BBS, users can easily Fi> see incoming netmail messages that are for them. However, that's not Fi> true of all BBS systems, I have no control over what your sysop does Fi> with such mails. That's why I wanted to be sure you would keep an eye Fi> out for it (and ask your sysop where it was, if you didn't see it). Fi> I just hate it when a note I've spent time writing goes "inot a Fi> black hole", never to be seen from again.... S> Did I say something wrong??? Fi> No, not in the least. I just felt it was time to "take the Fi> conversation to netmail" (a time honored BBS tradition). Well, I finally got it.....but I'm afraid the reply I made is currently stuck in the private mail area of the board I post from. I'll talk to him and see if he will send it back to you.....I assume he has the origin number and all that....if not, well......geez, I got up WAY too early this morning. Stardance ... Just give me the coffee, and no one will get hurt. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jade Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 8 Sep 96 19:12:00 Subject: Pollution UpdReq Long response for a simple topic. What then is a relevant model for magic? Physics? Psychology? Religion? Or does it have it's own internal structure unlike the above? I ask because I've seen magic characterized in all four ways. In response to your accusation that I was "correcting" someone and "imposing" my world view upon him. Why did you assume that? I thought I was stating my opinion of his statements as I understood them, not telling him that he was wrong. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Pan Area: MagickNet To: Jade 7 Sep 96 14:05:00 Subject: an it harm none UpdReq uh, that was a gimmie! i just assume it in my beliefs, i should have put it in .. there's an idea that some people are toxic to other people. i think it's personality types but that dosen't really explain it much. however, there are people who react badly to certaian other people. whether with cruelty, or nausea, these persons are affected by something and there seems no real, definite explanation.. but it happens. this is kinda waht i meant with my last note. i may cause (somehow, and not of my own knoledge) some other a type of pain (or toxicity) and it would not be my fault. i had never willed this event to take place. if you turn this around, it leaves alot for us to stumble int as far as fate or divinely inspired karma leading us into situations we have no (seeming) control over.. it would be a waste of time to think i had done something to this person. equally a waste of time to live life for someone else, or to give your life over to a slave master.. i believe in will. and i believe this New Age is the time we are to become more than we are. almost like gods... peace, pan! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Pan Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 7 Sep 96 14:15:00 Subject: Re: Pollution UpdReq do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, yes , i was quoting the LAW (a. crowley), and what i understand of his belief system. fact! LOVE has always been the law! and ,i think, it always will be. therefore , it dosen't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that 'an it harm none' dosen't really need to be expressed .. to one who truely looks into 'love is the law'.. .. and of course, 'shalt be the whole of the law`, i think it'll be both a struggle and an adventure in this Age. love is the law! agape apo thelema.... 93 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Pan Area: MagickNet To: Jade 7 Sep 96 14:24:00 Subject: Re: Pollution UpdReq i think i got what you mean. like, every time a witch ar mage does magick, that energy is here whether we like it or not, and it will stay here( earth/phisical plane...) until id degrades or not. there's an idea, qabballistic i think, in which ,like ezekial's vision the mystic is running and returning, like lightening across the sky.. which means the mystic goes to the other worlds (oh boy, bear with the way i term this) and returns, slowly clearing a way betwene the two.. which makes it easier for others to travel.. in this sense the pollution is that pure energy of the gods, only braught into this world where it will degrade/ decompose or follow and number of 'natural' laws.. this is not pollution, but redemption.. p 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718