From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: GOLDEN KNIGHT 18 Aug 96 18:47:22 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball question. UpdReq RE: Hmmm... Oddball question. BY: GOLDEN KNIGHT to SHADOW GRYPHON on Wed Aug 07 1996 11:44 pm > I used to know someone who was allergic to different incense (burning > type). There are also non-burning incense and scented oils. Have you > tried either of those? Nope, but I've pretty much decided I'm going to get some weak-scented candles and mix in some scented oil, or get some strong scented candles.... :) Thanks! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 18 Aug 96 18:46:24 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball question... UpdReq RE: Hmmm... Oddball question... BY: Paul Hume to Shadow Gryphon on Sun Aug 11 1996 11:14 am > Absolutely not. Some of the pivotal techqnies and systems of magick were > created/written/practiced in a Judaic, Christian, or Islamic context. > > Nor need one work magick to be a Pagan. Some Neopagan sects combine the two > organically (or even with fairly ragged spot welds showing (g)), but > others, including most classical sects, made the distinction very clear. Huh. What do you mean by organically? SOrry, still learning- only been into this for a few weeks, and I'm trying to learn and go as cautiously as my impatient nature will allow.... That way when I get 'burned' for doing/not doing something right will be either not often, and/or not as bad as it could be... :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Stardance 18 Aug 96 18:48:30 Subject: Re: Hmmm... Oddball question... UpdReq RE: Re: Hmmm... Oddball question... BY: Stardance to Shadow Gryphon on Mon Aug 12 1996 12:56 pm > Have you tried the Lapidar echo?? > ... Survival Tip #2: Never moon a werewolf. Noppers, and I gotta tell you something: as a devout werewolf fanatic, I love your tagline.. :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 19 Aug 96 11:10:14 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball question... UpdReq On Aug 14 22:34 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: G> I don't do it either, but for some time in the past I knew not where to get G> charcoals, so I took one of these graveyard-candles and put the aluminium G> piece on top of it. Whatever works is the rule. ;) >> Really, I'm not that bad...but I do like a smoky atmosphere if I can >> achieve it... G> yea, right. and then U open the window and a fire engine stops in front of G> your house . Don't laugh. We have to disconnect the smoke alarms around here... ;) G> another thing I read about yesterday - you could 'impregnate' the wooden G> magickal tools w/ and essential oil. I will try it on my wand after I have G> returned from Wales.... [and got the oil(s) I need ] That I'll leave for others. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ellie 19 Aug 96 11:14:08 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq On Aug 12 12:01 96, Ellie of 93:9100/3 wrote: Sa>> agrh. Please quit saying "magick" at least from where i come from, you Sa>> don't need to say it. It seems to flamboyant. Why not just good ol' "ma Sa>> simple. magick is just so irritating. E> Most students of the occult use "magick" with a k, to differentiate it from E> abracadbra-type stage magic. Actually, Abracadabra is a legitament Magickal Phrase. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 20 Aug 96 20:19:54 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq RE: Re: Magick BY: Khephera to Ellie on Mon Aug 19 1996 11:14 am > Actually, Abracadabra is a legitament Magickal Phrase. ;) Please, tell me your kidding, or I'm going to start laughing.... I always thought it was something made up by Hodini or some such personage... And please excuse my lurking, just reading and trying to learn stuff... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Shadow Gryphon 21 Aug 96 06:45:30 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq On Aug 20 20:19 96, Shadow Gryphon of 93:9087/0 wrote: >> Actually, Abracadabra is a legitament Magickal Phrase. ;) SG> Please, tell me your kidding, or I'm going to start laughing.... I SG> always thought it was something made up by Hodini or some such SG> personage... Nope...Abracadabra is one of those words adopted by modern stage magicians- but it's actually a very old and powerful Magickal words. It comes from the Chaldean words "Abbada Ke Dabra" which means something like "perish like the word". The word was written on a piece of paper like so: Abracadabra Abracadabr Abracadab Abracada Abracad Abraca Abrac Abra Abr Ab AAnd hung around the neck of someone with a sickness. And, like the phrase itself indicates, the disease would "perish like the word"- gradually giving way as the letters of the word were subtracted. SG> And please excuse my lurking, just reading and trying to SG> learn stuff... No problem. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Aug 96 20:16:00 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq RE: Re: Magick BY: Khephera to Shadow Gryphon on Wed Aug 21 1996 06:45 am > SG> personage... > > Nope...Abracadabra is one of those words adopted by modern stage magicians- > it's actually a very old and powerful Magickal words. > > It comes from the Chaldean words "Abbada Ke Dabra" which means something lik > "perish like the word". The word was written on a piece of paper like so: > > Abracadabra > Abracadabr > Abracadab > Abracada > Abracad > Abraca > Abrac > Abra > Abr > Ab > A > > And hung around the neck of someone with a sickness. And, like the phrase > itself indicates, the disease would "perish like the word"- gradually giving > way as the letters of the word were subtracted. Well now, just shows you learn something interesting and new each day, aye? Welladay, I'll have to store that back in the back of my head in the 'useless-at-present-but-interesting facts' section of my mind. Huh. Any other stage words adopted? Like uh..... Alakazaam....? I dunno. I dabble a bit in slieght-of-hand, but all I can ever do are the simple rope and card tricks. Thanks! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Falcon 19 Aug 96 11:19:44 Subject: revelations UpdReq On Aug 09 16:14 96, Falcon of 93:9200/3 wrote: F> I don't see no reason to waste my time on you any longer. And thus my work is done. ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Aug 96 09:24:00 Subject: Clumsiness in Ceremony????? UpdReq Kh>> I have a problem- and it's one that has long dogged me. My Ceremonies are sometimes greatly reduced from what they could be simply because I'm wrestling with so many things in my hands! The Magickal Weapon (Staff, or Sword, or etc), the Grimiore (a rather large book), AND the Talisman I'm working with at the time. Not to mention things used with the Talisman like annointing oil, black cloth, cord, etc. Kh>> As of right now, I'm considering getting a few Music-stands to place around the Circle to hold the Grimiore. That will help a lot I'm sure. I'm also going to knuckle down and try and memorize more of the common Incantations and stage directions that I have thus far neglected (since they are all written down). But, I'm completley open to suggestions by any of you out there who are also experienced in Ceremonial workings (including Ceremonial Wiccan Magick, of course). Hello Khephra! Its so good to share with you. I've been standing asside and watching you run, boy, and I must say you do go on! :-) Seriously, I do enjoy your work, and offer these little things I worked out for myself, as I too have 'logistic' problems in the circle. My very first ritual ended when a quart of salt water was dumped out of the Cup and the candle fell over splatting red wax, and.....well, U Know! A year ago, during an outdoor ritual,At the peak of the rite, a great wind came up in one gust, and blew the whole altar into our lap, lit candles and all-we were seated on the ground in front of it. Another time, with a different group, these black watchtowers about 6 feet tall made from black wealded rebar(the stuff they put in concrete for metal support, came crashing down like a gillotine and missed the High Priestess's head by an inch, while she was in the middle of the Great Rite. We almost had a sacrafice! (go to the next post) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Aug 96 09:27:00 Subject: Clumsiness in Ceremony????? UpdReq part 2 So here is some things I do to make my rituals safe. SAFTY FIRST I ducktape full jugs of water to the legs of my altar. Water jugs are good if your system is portable, like ,mine. I can pack the whole thing, table legs and top, and jugs smashed flat for travel, into a moderate sized suitcase. I blow up the jugs like balloons and then fill them with water to add weight to the altar-keep it from tipping-even if you fall over it, like I do every once in a while. Like your Dad sez: Put away your tools. Don't let things like coffin nails and pins just lie around-put them in a small box or stick them into a cork. If you just lay them on the altar, you first will loose them, or get them heisted by your playful elementals, and 9 times out of ten, very quickly, you 'find' them in your foot. My athame is never sharp on the edge. The tip is pointy sharp, because elemental beasts respect a sharp point. I keep it on the altar when in use, one less thing to sit on. I use the White Handle Knife for cutting and carving-that blade is small and sharp and kept in its own sheath when not actually being used at the moment, never just let it lay around unsheathed during a ritual. Candles: This is the most obvious safty need. I use glass jar candles, the tall ones. They come n all colors, and you can get refills that come in a cardboard tube case, and you remove them and slip them into the candle jar. I never use refills, because the jars kind of stop being useful when then burn down about 4 inches, so I use them to hold votive candles. I have friends who say that if you tilt them and kind of turn them in a circle while tilted at about 30 degrees, the wax will coayt the inside on the jar, and be used over and over so it all gets used. They make excellent heavy holders, and the runes can be painted on the side. Never leave a candle burning in an open way on the altar, when you go to bed. Put it into a candle lantern, one that will not catch fire even if the candle falls over inside. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Aug 96 09:31:02 Subject: Clumsiness in Ceremony????? UpdReq LOGISTICS. My first problem was like yours:You can't have everything. Where would you put it? So, my main Grimoir stays on the shelf. Instead, I have a palm sized loose leaf ring type notebook . I print the words in block letters in black ink, by the light of 3 candles-the writing of the rite is a rite in itself-that way I know it will be legeable by the light of God,Goddess,and Drygden candles.. I can easily hold it, or place it anywhere-my favorite is in the Salt dish leaning against the lip with the bottom of the spine in the salt. I consider the Tools Of Practice to be brother and sister to each other-or lovers even,(like Athame and Cup) so they can mix with each other-like you would use a screwdriver and a wrench together to bust a bolt in your car. I consentrate on keeping my altar and sacred tools seperate from everyday objects, even to wrapping them up out of sight when not in use. But there is no 'contamination' from them mixing with each other. Small is good. Small books can be handled easily. Small altar, small statues, tools that fit the hand, these take away the clumsiness.Some rites need lots of stuff. The most I ever had was when I made my Saturn Petacle, ala Key Of Solomon, by melting lead with a portable blowtorch in it own stand, ringstand and crucible handled with big forgetongs, in the circle, and poured it into a mold. That took finess. I did it skyclad too. For complex rites I use another table, square, in the circle next to the altar. I call it the "Table of Practice." and use it to hold all my extra stuff, like lit blowtorches, oils, extra candles, and other needs. The Magic Sword fits nicely upright clasped between the altar and the table of practice. My Table Of Practice is small enough to walk around it and the altar when calling watchtowers. Spinning in a circle, raising energy, while staying in front of the altar is a good substitute for running around the altar, and less hazzardous too if you have enough tools lying around. In conclusion, the best way to ensure the effectiveness of the rite is to realize the rite is for you, not for some other god or person. ITS OK TO MAKE MISTAKES and just go on. Do it over if you like, but essentially, unless you set fire to your room with a bloworch accident or the police arrive because of the weird noises and smells comming out of your house, just instantly forget your errors and go on as if they didn't happen. Mistakes only ruin the rite if you believe they do. Over compulsiveness is as bad as judgementalness in destroying a rite's power. Its far more likely that the self criticism the magician felt when making a mistake ruined the rite more than the mistake did. Its all in your head, so make it come out right! Hope this helps, I really do. This aspect of judgementalness and self criticism was my most difficult obstacle to overcome. I hope my little cntribution can make the same road easier for the next guy. Blessed Bees Morp 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Shadow Gryphon 22 Aug 96 05:58:56 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq On Aug 21 20:16 96, Shadow Gryphon of 93:9087/0 wrote: >> It comes from the Chaldean words "Abbada Ke Dabra" which means something lik >> "perish like the word". The word was written on a piece of paper like so: >> SG> Well now, just shows you learn something interesting and new each day, SG> aye? Yep. ;) SG> Welladay, I'll have to store that back in the back of my head in the SG> 'useless-at-present-but-interesting facts' section of my mind. Huh. Any SG> other stage words adopted? Like uh..... Alakazaam....? Don't know about that one. If you ever read "Magic and Performance" (or whatever, the book is in my car right now), it's got a whole chapter where he uses Qabalistic Words and Names for his stage magic. Makes me cringe. SG> I dunno. I dabble a bit in slieght-of-hand, but all I can ever do are the SG> simple rope and card tricks. Actually, I'm a professional stage-magician as well (though not working now...). :( I miss it... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 22 Aug 96 16:23:50 Subject: Re: Magick UpdReq RE: Re: Magick BY: Khephera to Shadow Gryphon on Thu Aug 22 1996 05:58 am > On Aug 21 20:16 96, Shadow Gryphon of 93:9087/0 wrote: > > >> It comes from the Chaldean words "Abbada Ke Dabra" which means something > >> "perish like the word". The word was written on a piece of paper like so > >> > SG> Well now, just shows you learn something interesting and new each day, > SG> aye? > > Yep. ;) > > SG> Welladay, I'll have to store that back in the back of my head in the > SG> 'useless-at-present-but-interesting facts' section of my mind. Huh. A > SG> other stage words adopted? Like uh..... Alakazaam....? > > Don't know about that one. If you ever read "Magic and Performance" (or > whatever, the book is in my car right now), it's got a whole chapter where h > uses Qabalistic Words and Names for his stage magic. Makes me cringe. > > SG> I dunno. I dabble a bit in slieght-of-hand, but all I can ever do are th > SG> simple rope and card tricks. > > Actually, I'm a professional stage-magician as well (though not working > now...). :( I miss it... > As always, excuse my wonderful quoting, which I hate. Magic and Performance? Interesting. Might have to make a trip to the library... :) Your professional? Very cool! Huh, now I can say I know a magician of two types.> 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718