From: Gaia Area: MagickNet To: Kai Mactane 14 Nov 94 03:38:00 Subject: Re: witch's rune UpdReq KM>-=> Yglr'th Gaia zrlq All z'qwan "Witch's rune"? KM>-=> F'dzeh nyq'rhg: KM> Ga> Greetings, everybody! I'm looking for the complete version of KM> Ga> the "Witches' Rune", the one that has a line something like, KM> Ga> "Darksome night and shining moon..." Anybody got it??? KM> from the Farrars' _The_Witches'_Goddess_, appendix: KM> Darksome night and shining Moon KM> East, then South, then West, then North, KM> Hearken to the Witches' Rune -- KM> Here we come to call thee forth! KM> Earth and water, air and fire, KM> Wand and pentacle and sword, KM> Work ye unto our desire, KM> Hearken ye unto our word! KM> Cords and censer, scourge and knife, KM> Powers of the witch's blade -- KM> Waken all ye unto life, KM> Come ye as the carm is made! KM> Queen of heaven, Queen of hell, KM> Horned hunter of the night -- KM> Lend your power unto the spell, KM> And work our will by magic rite! KM> In the earth and air and sea, KM> By the light of Moon or Sun, KM> As we do will, so mote it be. KM> Chant the spell and it be done! KM> Eko, eko, Azarak, KM> Eko, eko, Zomelak, repeat KM> Eko, eko, Cernunnos, until done KM> Eko, eko, Aradia! KM> (all spelling, capitalization and punctuation kept as in KM>original) KM> Ga> I'll trade a good chant or something! KM> No need; even if information doesn't have a desire to be free, KM>*I* like it that way. Enjoy. :) GAIA: THANK YOU, thank you, thank you!!! I'm repeating it in case anyone missed it, it's so beautiful and powerful!!! And here's a goodie for you: One planet is turning, Circling on Her path around the sun, Mother Earth is calling Her children home. Light is returning, even tho this is the darkest night, No one can hold back the dawn. Let's keep it burning, let's keep the light of love alive, Make safe our journey, thru the storm. (rpt as often as you wish!) --- CmpQwk #UNREG UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 13 Nov 94 02:55:04 Subject: Re: Chaos UpdReq -=> Quoting Josh Norton to Rab <=- R> I suspect that North Americans may be able to perceive a livelier, R> brighter side, particularly with Valar contacts. However, when working R> through racial karma, harrowing hell, one encounters much that can R> induce depression ... on either side of the Atlantic. JN> Heh. True. I'm wondering when someone's going to start working on JN> Russian mythology -- now that's REALLY depressing! I don't know much Russian myth, but certain aspects have inspired artists before (e.g. Stravinsky & The Firebird). Then there is the story about the mystical city of Kitezh, very similar to Camelot, complete with questing knights. For a peek into a major Russian esoteric theme, read "Kitezh: The Russian Grail Legends", by Munin Nederlander, Aquarian Press, 1991. (Nederlander is a Dutch Anthroposophist or Steinerist, so be warned!) In any case, you can be sure there's been plenty of workings with the Russian mythos for centuries ... in Holy Mother Russia at least. The old shamanism permeates some sects of the Orthodox Church (e.g. the Starets, if I've got the spelling anywhere near right). Incidentally, there's a couple of Russky profs of Slavic shamanism now at the California Institute of Integral Studies (see Fall issue of "GNOSIS"). And as far as non-Slavic Russian myth goes, there's the original Siberian shamanism, some of which has found its way into AmerIndian traditions, most noticeably in the far northwest. (Some would say ALL New World aboriginal traditions derive from Siberia). So perhaps to some extent anyone who works with AmerIndian myth is also dealing with Russian. At least some deep links do exist. Along the northwest coast, Yukon, Alaska, there are some striking similarities with Mongol & Siberian myths. eg Thunderbird. One anthropologist has been working on a theory that among Athapaskans there are traces of refugees who fled Genghis Khan in the 12th C. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Rose Dawn 13 Nov 94 03:28:06 Subject: Re: CHAOS UpdReq -=> Quoting Rose Dawn to Joseph Max <=- > As far as Josh's point about the Xtians combined morphic fields go, why do > you think that you get thousands of Catholics seeing Virgin Mary > appearences every year? RD> Quite true, and interesting in that I haven't heard of too many Jesus RD> appearances...people who report visitations by Saints also RD> seem to almost always 'see' *female* Saints. RD> Y'think maybe the feminine/Yin/Sakthi, being 'receptive' RD> is more receptive to all that energy? Or is it some human RD> need for 'Mommy' archetypes? I dunno... . The Pope has said that the BVM (Mary) is indeed the most easily accessed figure, and has a special relationship with the faithful masses. This has been the case for centuries, at least since the 12th and the rise of Marian cults, chivalry, and the Grail legends. (The goddess often looms large in this social role in many cultures). The appearance of male figures, such as Jesus, are just as frequent but tend to be associated more with individual rather than mass experience, and are not bruted about as much. Could be dangerous. It's okay for a bunch of people to see a vision, (safety in numbers), but a lone vision can be suspect. The individual might be going mad! Jesus=Self/Individuation; Mary=Soul/Socialisation. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Kai Mactane 13 Nov 94 03:49:08 Subject: Re: tolkien UpdReq -=> Quoting Kai Mactane to Josh Norton <=- R> Perhaps not so much the "amount" as the "quality" [of worship]? JN> Well, I did pretty well with Bugs Bunny. More recently with Kimball JN> and Clarissa Kinnison (characters in a series of pulp-era science JN> fiction novels). What quality of worship, if any, do they have? KM> I'm not sure how in the world you'd measure "quality KM> of worship" in the first place -- is snake handling better KM> or worse than quiet prayer? -- but I recognize names out of KM> the Lensman series. I don't think you'd want to "measure" quality, but you might want to evaluate it, or discern whether or not it was lacking. Surely the quality can be judged by the kind of attention or mindstate that is brought to the object in question? By what changes occur, and the end result? The result may the most important thing. If an act of worship, involving any object, has a good result, then you can say the quality good. If not, then not. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Gaia 13 Nov 94 03:52:10 Subject: Re: strange symbol UpdReq -=> Quoting Gaia to Rab <=- Ga> and Rab@93:9630/0.0 dicoursed upon Re: strange symbol R >The work has been to create potential, now we need to see the target R >(your "circle" in the distance) and learn how to shoot straight? Ga> GAIA: Ga> Rab, this is a *great* idea. I'll share it with my friend who asked, Ga> and see if he can get back to you, ok?? OK. But I'm sure there may be several other interpretations lurking ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 14 Nov 94 02:27:00 Subject: Re: Chaos UpdReq -=> Quoting Josh Norton to Joseph Max <=- JM> However, I perform Tarot readings that divine future events with (if I JM> may be allowed some immodesty) uncanny accuracy. It would be easy to JM> imagine that I am sensing "energy patterns" to accomplish this feat, but JM> if so, then said energy patterns must be travelling _backwards in time_, JM> or in effect, faster than the speed of light. I am convinced that no JM> form of energy can do this. So what, then, is doing this travelling? JM> My answer: pure information. My magickal theory holds that pure JM> information can be exchanged between monadic entities as speeds that JM> circumvent the speed of light, and in so doing, circumvent both space JM _and_ time constraints. JN> Hmmm. As an alternative to Bell's theorem, I would offer the JN> explanation that events have to work their way "downwards" through the JN> magickal planes before manifesting on the physical level. And this JN> process takes time to occur, in physical terms. [ ... ] JN> If someone were capable of "picking up" on a particular event while it JN> was still working its way into manifestation, he would give the JN> impression of predicting the future without anything having to travel JN> backwards in time. But if one were picking up an event in process of manifesting, i.e. that has not yet happened, the message would be about a trend or probability. The trend is subject to modification and the exact form of its concretisation may be may be unforeseeable. (As TS Eliot said, betwixt thought and act falls the shadow). Some impulses do, however, ultimately manifest as intended, so some predictions can be accurate. Especially if these same predictions (or the predictor) assist the outcome. Of course, relatively few "impulses" or intentions ever get concretised, and most are not even directed towards manifestation on the physical plane. Beyond the physical, communications become less subject to time/space limitations, and naturally occur more quickly. At higher levels, connections are made instantaneously, knowledge is profound, although the capacity to interact with the physical can be non-existent. At the highest level, communication is longer necessary since it is a state of communion. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kai Mactane Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 11 Nov 94 15:30:00 Subject: Re: chaos UpdReq -> Ygr'th na Josh Norton zwan Rose Dawn ngah'wlaq -> r'hylth Chaos, n'qah? JN> Heh. Sure it's OK -- this is public discussion, ain't it? Don't think JN> it's possible to copyright a net-message... And if you could, I'm not sure how you'd enforce the copyright. Stuff that exists electronically can be reproduced *far* faster than you could ever bust the "perpetrators." JN> Coyote and Roadrunner always remind me of Job, for some reason, with JN> Coyote in the role of the long-suffering worshiper, and RR as the JN> nasty-minded YHVH. You know, that almost fits. Except that I tend to see the *writers* more in the Yahweh role; the Runner is just put there to give him a target. I see the roadrunner as being sufficiently vapid as to not count as a full personality. In fact, he seems almost like the apple in the Garden -- something you're not supposed to touch, or the capricious, psychotic thing in the sky (or outside the animation cel) will hurt you. Badly. --Kai MacTane. ... Do Agnostics open their prayers with "To Whom it May Concern"? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kai Mactane Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 11 Nov 94 15:38:02 Subject: Re: chaos UpdReq -> Ygr'th na Josh Norton zwan Joseph Max ngah'wlaq -> r'hylth Chaos, n'qah? JN> But why Mary, who isn't even part of their trinity? Exactly *because* she isn't part of the Trinity. The Trinity is a weird, not-quite human concept, and that makes it distant. Mary, OTOH, is much more up-close-and-personal, which And why don't JN> magicians invoking Xtian symbols get that much power? If its dragging JN> thousands of people around, there must be a hell of a lot of it. Why JN> must it be spread among that many people instead of being JN> concentrated? JN> (musing) Things could get really confusing if you start to think about JN> it... E.g., is Mary a substitute and/or continuation of the force of JN> the older pre-Xtian godesses, Ishtar, Inanna, Isis, etc? And what JN> about those voudoun sects that believe that certain Xtian saints are JN> really concealed versions of their own gods? JN> While it's obvious to me that people are constantly picking up on JN> ideas floating around in the ether and making them their own, I don't JN> think that power as such has much to do with it. This is because it JN> happens as much with trivial fads as it does with seemingly powerful JN> symbols. Resonance between the idea and the individual's personality JN> and life- circumstances seems to be a stronger determinant. Mary is a JN> Big Mommy symbol, and as such appeals to the many whose "inner child" JN> still needs to feel the presence of such. JN> And if I recall correctly, some of the events on which the idea of JN> morphic fields is based didn't have anything at all to do with JN> emotionally-powerful symbols. E.g., the fact that rats learn mazes JN> much faster today than they did thirty years ago. And that experiment JN> in Europe where a test was broadcast in England one week and in other JN> countries later, and those taking the test later had more right JN> answers than those who took it first. In each of these cases, JN> information is being passed, but no real power. JN> ___ JN> X SPEED 1.30 [NR] X JN> -!- Maximus 2.02 JN> ! Origin: Access! Information Services --> PODNet (93:9000/2) ... Metronome: a city-dwelling earth spirit ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718