From: Christeos Pir Area: MagickNet To: Grendel 25 Aug 94 18:38:16 Subject: Cows On Harleys? UpdReq -=> Grendel sent a message to Valkyrie on 22 Aug 94 02:32:02 <=- -=> Re: Cows On Harleys? <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Gr> If you could magic your way out of a paper bag, I might worried. Say, didn't you write the instructions for my VCR? };-> Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... And by came an angel who had a bright key 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: LIANA Area: MagickNet To: MILAMBER 23 Aug 94 21:08:00 Subject: ASL UpdReq ... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Milamber to Liana ... Li> Lovely... sigh... I think you just helped me make up my mind. I've Li> been wanting to learn another language and I've been debating between Li> ASL and Spanish... and thinking I *ought* to learn Spanish because it's Li> more practical, but *wanting* to learn ASL because it's so beautiful. Li> I pick the latter. Mi> I'm always glad to be of service... Mi> I've considered learning ASL myself...if only so I can understand my Mi> aunt, cousin, and brother when they start signing at one another. But Mi> I've got a lot to study already...so I'll defer it for the time being. Deferrment works, as you long as you remember when it comes due ;> Blessed Be. -l ... We are various, and lovely in our variety. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: JOSEPH MAX Area: MagickNet To: MORGAN LE FEY 24 Aug 94 10:04:00 Subject: Money Magick UpdReq -=> Quoting Morgan Le Fey to Rusty Wallace <=- MLF> Thanks! I am so happy I can't tell you... The gods have truly MLF> smiled on me. Now if they would just send some money my way so we MLF> could live comfortably... But it'll work out eventually. First of all -- Blessings and congratulations! Secondly, your message opens up the possibility of an interesting thread. What do people here think of using magickal techniques in order to gain wealth? Allow me to provide some grist for the cyber-mill: It seems to be a given that many (if not most) practitioners of the magickal arts and sciences regard the aquisition of material wealth as being an activity that is "beneath" them. It's as if material possessions and creature comforts will somehow sully their spirituality. Or at least distract them away from more spiritual pursuits. But all of us who have ever known want (which is just about everybody) will at least occasionally, as has Morgan, wistfully express a desire for the freedom from that want that the "root of all evil" can bring. I'd venture to say that most participants in computer net discussions would like to think of themselves as having loftier goals than mere material wealth. And it's pretty much true (*I* like to think of myself that way!) "Money spells" and the like are called _Low_ Magick workings and thought of with contempt. However, I've always had little respect for someone who claims to be an adept magician but can't afford to eat properly. These people have no appreciation for the advantages that an adequate income can contribute toward their spiritual projects. Over the last six months I've been working on some magickal theory and practice intended to bring Wealth and it seems to be yielding results. I can't say it's made me _rich_ (yet!), but it has taken me from joblessness and near-homelessness to a comfortable, if not ostentatious financial state. It began as a philosophical discussion with some fellow magicians about the nature of money and wealth which brought out some interesting ideas. Wealth in ancient times was a matter of land; wealth was measured in acres. So it could be thought of as being of the nature of Earth. Even when it became gold and other precious materials, it was still of the nature of Earth. Most "money spells" one could find operated from that point-of-view; wealth is "material", therefore "Earth", so the Earth element must be the basis of the magickal work. Just about anyone who composes ritual workings nowadays still proceeds from the same basic assumption without questioning it. So we questioned it. And came up with the idea that the nature of wealth has changed just as money itself has changed -- from land to gold to paper to plastic to bits in a data stream. Money is no longer of the nature of Earth; it is of the nature of Air. Like Air it is ethereal; difficult to grasp and mostly unseen. Above all, it likes to _move_. Money in motion replicates itself. Money hoarded slowly dies. Of what use is money that is never spent? We also raised questions about exactly what _wealth_ really is. It is more than mere cash on hand. Even having cash on hand is not an accurate indicator of "Wealth" (with a capital "W".) The all-too common stories of the lottery winners who end up broke again a year later are good examples of what happens to those who don't _believe_ that they "deserve" to have money. They prove it -- the money runs away from them! On the other hand, a stockbroker who works hirself into a heart attack, mercilessly driving hirself day after day for the dubious reward of drinking hirself into a stupor on expensive booze in front of a fabulous home entertainment center every night can be said to have achieved the condition of anti-wealth. This is not Wealth! True Wealth consciousness pays itself to have a good time. Misers are a miserable lot, regardless of how much cash is in the mattress. If you hoard money and not share it, it will curse you with anti-wealth. Wealth is ultimitely the control of resources. If you drive a company car (and take it home with you every night) the Wealth of that car is _yours_, regardless of whose name is on the pink slip. My employers _gave_ me a Mac Color Classic as a "company computer". I didn't _buy_ it, but for all intents and purposes, it's _mine_. It's _Wealth_ is mine. But most "spiritual" types have disdainful attitude toward money that merely serves to drive money away from them. Money has attained the status of a spiritual entity; like all entities it has it's likes and dislikes. Respect it, value it, and provide it with a conduit by which it can *move* and it will flow toward you natually. Treat it with antipathy and it will flee your presence. Invite it to come to you, believe yourself worthy of it's blessings and it will seek you out. Spend, share and reinvest it with relish and it will replicate endlessly. When money moves, it is having sex. Make love to money and it procreates! So in practical terms, how can these realizations be used? It's important to remember that in order for Money Magick to manifest results, it is necessary to provide that "conduit" for the money to flow to you. Giving a magickal "push" to a business venture is far more likely to yield results than trying to divine lottery numbers. Even worse, if you don't provide money an easy access route to your life, your magickal working may end up getting disasterous results -- ie. you get a million dollars... from the lawsuit over the accident that left you crippled for life! I'll share with you the first Money Magick working my partner and I came up with that yielded VERY rapid results -- within a few days of the working I got a call out of the blue offering me a ridiculously high paying gig (I'm an audio engineer by trade.) Many old occult writings promote the technique of "sacrificing" a dollar bill as part of a money-attracting spell. We didn't like the idea- it was too related to the old "sacrificial" style of Earth-magic. (In the old days, lambs and/or wheat sheves, the symbols of Earth-based wealth, were sacrificed to gain more of the same in the future.) However, the dollar bill itself has been etherically charged to the _max_ by the general population as a "talisman" for a hundred years. It's perfect for symbolic magick purposes. Exploring the premises that like attracts like, and that money likes to move, we took a dollar bill and devised a talismantic sigil for the "spirit of Money" and inscribed it on the bill. (I should mention that at the time, it was very nearly the last dollar we had to our name.) The bill was then magickally charged (We used sexual magick techniques for the charging, again demonstrating the age-old link between sex/money/power ) as a talisman. For the next several days, she and I (we were living together) used the bill to _pay each other for anything we did for each other_! She'd get up to answer the phone, and I'd pay her. I'd get her a glass of water and she'd pay me. We paid each other for sex. That dollar bill changed hands several times an hour. This little game had the curious effect of making each of us feel more "worthy" of "getting paid". After a few days of this the phone call came through from an old connection in my profession who "thought of me out of the blue" when a job prospect came up that was perfect for me. The money sensed the frenzied motion and came running! Afterwards, we gave the dollar to a homeless person, combining the idea of "sacrifice" with the idea of "keep it circulating"! There are other anecdotes, but I'd like to hear from others here with any thoughts or experiences on the subject to share. ... ebius tagline. This is a moebius tagline. This is a mo ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Flax Trickster Area: MagickNet To: Colleen Pearson 26 Aug 94 16:58:06 Subject: Familiars UpdReq CP> Well *sneaky grin* as my soul is faerie I can tell you that cats a CP> drawn to them.. I am owned by two, Baen Sidhe ( male ) can tell if CP> am not feeling well, he will not sit on my lap, but will keep with CP> 2-3 feet of me till I feel better! It's really beautiful :) That's interesting! If I'm not feeling well, my cat will tend to cuddle with me! (even when I dont want her to!) Specially, if I am emotionally upset. She seems to be trying to give me a hug sometimes... or the feline version of a hug, anyway! :-) B*B! Flax ___ X RM 1.3 02132 X Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (y/n) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Warreasta Area: MagickNet To: Joseph Max 27 Aug 94 08:27:00 Subject: Money Magick UpdReq On 08-24-94 JOSEPH MAX wrote to MORGAN LE FEY... (Most of posting deleted) JM> There are other anecdotes, but I'd like to hear from others here with JM> any thoughts or experiences on the subject to share. I have found that my best money magick is done using incense. We had an experience in which we could not pay the bills because I had surgery and missed two weeks of work so the paycheck was *greatly* reduced. I did some money magick using a piece of jade and jasmine incense. My hubby ended up getting lots of overtime, which allowed us to get caught up on the bills, (some of which we were three months behind on). I think a lot of the oposition to *money* and *money-magick* comes from the idea of getting rich just for moneys' sake. I don't think there is anything wrong with using money magick to help maintain a comfortable life-style. Blessed be, Warreasta ... OFFLINE 1.42 * Nothing is fool proof, because fools are so ingenious. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Chris Lee Area: MagickNet To: Warreasta 27 Aug 94 13:09:40 Subject: Money Magick UpdReq This subject of Money magick has been something I've searched for along time to find! I want to know more about it, as I need assistance in that area of my life currently. I would love to read more from those in this echo about the subject, or even speak with you on the phone about it. I am a novice with the subject of magick, but willing to learn... Teach me! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Valkyrie Area: MagickNet To: Holzwurm 25 Aug 94 06:06:28 Subject: Discussion Wanted UpdReq Hi Holzwurm! HO> During the last weeks on holiday I studied Kenneth Meadows'Shamanic HO> Experiences and some German Sufi-literature. The next will be HO> Nikolaus von Kues ("Cusanus"), a medieval theologian. HO> You see, we are working hard to prepare everything properly. Shamanism would be a good area to continue with. I'd recommend Holger Kalweit's books. _Dreamtime and Inner Space: The World of the Shaman_, and _Shamans, Healers, and Medicine Men_, for good examples of shamanism and how it relates to communities all over the world, and modern applications. Kalweit is German and is in Germany, the founder of the Orpheus Project and a member of the German Transpersonal Association. I would think he would be a valuable resource for you in your work. Ves Heil, VInternet: valkyrie@eskimo.com * SLMR 2.1a * ... Good hap they bring where to homes they fare... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718