From: Beelzebubba Area: MagickNet To: Beorn 5 Aug 93 14:52:28 Subject: ssdHelp!!! UpdReq <<***** On 08-04-93, Beorn wrote to Grizzly: *****>> BB> Gr> want her to..... see what a good person she is BB> BB>Maybe you could nudge her towards getting professional help. Just being BB>there to listen to her is probably the best thing you can do short of BB>that. Try not to pressure her too much, tho. BB> BB> Gr> Anger? Why all the anger if you don't mind me asking.... BB> BB>Hold on to your hat...it's not a pretty story: BB> BB>I had a bad childhood in a home filled with mental illness. I never got BB>any support or affection from my parents. I don't *ever* remember getting BB>a hug from either one of them. We moved around a lot, so I never had BB>any friends either, in fact I got beaten up a lot (and worse). BB> BB>When I got to college, I got heavily into alcohol and drugs. The BB>combination BB>of that, my background, and heredity caused me to go over the edge. I BB>sank BB>into suicidal depression and what was probably clinical paranoia, but I BB>never BB>sought help...I couldn't trust anyone. I managed to roll a car over on a BB>highway and added injuries and post-traumatic stress to the mix. BB>Eventually BB>I flipped out completely when a lightning bolt *just* missed me while I BB>was BB>tripping on LSD. I got attacked by a pack of stray dogs on one of the very last trips I did.... BB>Basically, I am now a very bitter and lonely person. I was just fired BB>from BB>my job because of my personality and now have to face the fact that I BB>will BB>very likely go bankrupt if I don't find a job. Unfortunately, my BB>self-esteem BB>is so low that I'm gonna have difficulty selling myself. Wild thoughts of BB>suicide alternate in my head with the desire to go join a Monastery. If BB>there BB>were Wiccan ones, that is. I could relate similar type stories, but I finally got to the point where it just didn't matter, OK, I went through some shit, but stull, it doesn't matter I can leave this life or I can stay. It's entirely my choice to make. At that point, everything took on a comical tone because no matter what, it just doesn't matter..... ~~~ * VbReader 1.5 #NR * "We will know for the first time/If we're evil or divine 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Dathan Shane Tinney Area: MagickNet To: All 5 Aug 93 15:14:00 Subject: ufo UpdReq i've seen 3 of em how bout u? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grizzly Area: MagickNet To: Rakshasa 6 Aug 93 08:06:04 Subject: Re: HELP!!! UpdReq Ra>And rest assured that your current course of action Ra>(constant positive reinforcement and assurance that she is Ra>in fact lovable and that you love her) is the best Ra>possible thing you can do. I sure hope so.... To me it feels right and true. Ra>If there is any justice in this chaotic, twisted universe Ra>(I'm not sure on that) you will be successful. Thank you for your words and vote of confidence. BB Grizzly ___ X DeLuxe2bc #5869 X SysOp (sih-sop) the guy laughing at your Typing 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: MagickNet To: Christeos Pir 1 Aug 93 08:06:52 Subject: Re: SEVEN UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CP > Well, for starters, you have seven days of the week that correspond > to > the seven known planets (we're talking about the Old Days, > remember), > the seven whole tones of the Western musical scale, and Seven > Brides for Seven... oops, sorry. You forgot the Magicians of the Corners: "Come Seven, come Eleven, for our Father which Art in Heaven." Certainly one of my favorite mantras. > Love is the law, love under will. 31X3X2! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 2 Aug 93 06:05:06 Subject: Re: THAT TOME UpdReq > The whole Bugs Bunny saga is really a Set-inspired subversion, > created > in one of the god's more hallucinogenic moments. > > Elmer Fudd, with his baby-fat face, his childlike speech impediment, > and > his fondness for spears, guns, and other martial paraphernalia, is a > > symbol of Set's natural enemy the Child Horus aka "Horus the > Younger". > He frequently appears as a warrior and is always intent on > destroying > his enemies in a gloriously bloody fashion. Really... I would have thought he might be an avatar of "Harpocwates" because of his constant insistence that everyone "be vewwy quiet." > Bugs, of course, is Set Himself. Like Set in many Egyptian tales, he > > lives underground and travels beneath the Earth to get from place to > > place. (Viz. also the "Tunnels of Set" in Kenneth Grant's darkside > system.) Like Set, he is always sneaking up behind his opponents and > > putting a monkey-wrench into the plans even as they execute them. > And > like Set, even when he is killed he re-appears in time for the next > exciting episode. > > (Tongue firmly in cheek) So to which gods do you attribute the Coyote and the Road Runner? I could see Coyote as Coyote the Trickster-God... but the Road Runner appears to be a more natural Agent of Chaos. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Adept Kevin T. Filan II* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Nightcreeper 2 Aug 93 06:09:36 Subject: Re: MILO UpdReq > I do not belive in rituals, it is to strait forward into evil. Then why, may I ask, are you posting on MagickNet? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: MagickNet To: Nightcreeper 2 Aug 93 12:08:56 Subject: Re: WEATHERFOLK UpdReq > Be wary, The End may be near, Maybe not, for sake of humanity, > it is not, .. but fear the worst. Fear? Nah! I *do* make it a practice to *expect* the worst, while hoping for the best, though. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Emerald Area: MagickNet To: Rakshasa 2 Aug 93 12:25:00 Subject: OKLAHOMA AND THE STOR UpdReq In a message dated 08-01-93 RAKSHASA wrote to MASSEUR FOR HIRE: > But there are some of us Pagans that want to BUY that place, just > to thumb our noses up at those that beleive that type of religion is > for them... > > Masseur For Hire R> R> You might want to try posting messages throughout the various echoes R> informing people that if they send in $100 million, Goddess will call R> Oral Roberts home. R> R> Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Adept Kevin T. Filan II* YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Consider a virtual check in the mail. (Besides, t that *very* phallic looking prayer tower would make a wonderful fertillity symbol.......) - Emerald -> Alice4Mac 2.2b2 E QWK Eval:29Jul93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Emerald 2 Aug 93 17:13:28 Subject: Re: OKLAHOMA AND THE STOR UpdReq >R> You might want to try posting messages throughout the various echoes >R> informing people that if they send in $100 million, Goddess will call >R> Oral Roberts home. >R> >R> Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Adept Kevin T. Filan II* > > YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Consider a virtual check in > the mail. (Besides, t that *very* phallic looking prayer tower > would make a wonderful fertillity symbol.......) > - Emerald The one next to the 900 foot Jesus, you mean? (I regret that I never toured ORU during my time in Tulsa... unfortunately, they frown on long-haired (at the time) bisexual Satanists visiting their fair college. However, I've heard it's quite a nice little neo-fascist community of prayerbunnies. Maybe someday in the future...) Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Adept Kevin T. Filan II* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Emerald Area: MagickNet To: Milo 3 Aug 93 11:56:00 Subject: Re: THE MILO PROBLEM UpdReq Mi> I must agree with the Coordinator and drop this thread Mi> because obviously most of you are incapable of intellectually Mi> stimulating conversation. My.....isn't that the pot calling the kettle black....... First time I've seen "intellectually stimulating conversation" equated to acting like a complete twit, and making absurd claims. Thread dropped. - Emerald -> Alice4Mac 2.2b2 E QWK Eval:29Jul93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ismark Area: MagickNet To: Nightcreeper 3 Aug 93 15:22:00 Subject: Re: MILO UpdReq In a message dated 07-27-93 15:25 NIGHTCREEPER wrote to AMONRAMOS: Am> if you are concerned about the land and the people, do a group Am> ritual Am> to Am> set things right. N> I do not belive in rituals, it is to strait forward into evil. What's all that stuff they do in the Catholic chruch, chopped liver? ...Ignorance, predjudice, and fear walk hand in hand-Neil Peart -> Alice4Mac Eval:27Jul93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ismark Area: MagickNet To: Joker 3 Aug 93 15:24:00 Subject: Re: HI ALL UpdReq In a message dated 07-31-93 00:34 JOKER wrote to ALL: J> Hello. J> J> I am not a practitioner of Magick. But, I am interested in J> hearing more J> about it. Can one of you give me the basics. What is or isn't J> possible, I J> see talk about rule of three, things like that. I would love an J> overview in J> laymans terms.... Here's my advice: Don't listen to Milo. ...Ignorance, predjudice, and fear walk hand in hand-Neil Peart -> Alice4Mac Eval:27Jul93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: LEE DOHM Area: MagickNet To: FREYDIS VASA 1 Aug 93 00:41:00 Subject: WHY? UpdReq FREYDIS VASA sayeth upon WHY? to LEE DOHM FV> You have no guarantee that he isn't unbalanced enough to go out and FV> do what you told him. Is that what you are trying to accomplish, Legion? No, actually what I was attempting to do was to shove this thread into some sort of sense of reality. Which it seems I've succeeded in doing since he's realized that he doesn't want to go to jail... He's just clamoring for attention, and I gave it to him... Legion --- KWQ/2 1.1 I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? ............................................................................... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paladin Area: MagickNet To: Kayla Block 3 Aug 93 09:32:00 Subject: THAT tome UpdReq KB> if you don't mind me asking, how have you managed to get KB> access to old masonic libraries? a) be a Mason b) become friendly with the custodian of the library. Masonic Lodges are not the only place you find Masonic libraries. There are a number private Masonic libraries across the country. Tue 08-03-1993 09:37:10 Paladin * RM 1.0 B0005 * And, what do you want for Xmas?...MORE RAM! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: MagickNet To: Fourth Circle 5 Aug 93 23:05:00 Subject: Alchemy UpdReq > This isn't really about alchemy, and I'm a little off topic, but > I'm very interested in the perceptions of people in Seattle who have > been to Edge of the Circle Books. I've been hearing advertisements > for a year now on the radio, and have yet to go in. (Mostly due to > the fact that I avoid the U District like the plague.) Well, they aren't in the U District or even near it. They are on Capitol Hill, actually fairly close to Seattle U and Downtown. I consider it a good store but then I'm friends with the owners and I'm going to be working their full time within a month. It is where I tend to go. > Is it a good store? I guess it's been sucessful, since they're > moving to a larger space, and opening up a cafe right next to the book > store. I like the store. Also, my girlfriend is the manager of The Green Man Cafe which is opening up there after they move in the next few weeks. All in all, it is a place where I am likely to be fairly often. Almost everyone working there is a friend of mine and a good person. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Fourth Circle Area: MagickNet To: Grendel Grettisson 6 Aug 93 03:47:00 Subject: Re: Alchemy UpdReq -=> Grendel Grettisson wrote to Fourth Circle on 08-05-93 23:05 <=- GG> I like the store. Also, my girlfriend is the manager of The Green Man GG> Cafe which is opening up there after they move in the next few weeks. GG> All in all, it is a place where I am likely to be fairly often. Almost GG> everyone working there is a friend of mine and a good person. GG> Wassail, GG> Grendel Grettisson Well, sounds like a great place, I'll have to go there some time. :) I actually meant that they were on Capitol Hill, but the 700+ messages were getting to my brain, and deep frying it. :) I've got to make some decisions about what echos I read, since this is just too much! I'll go in and check it out some time soon. PAN-1999? :) Fourth Circle ... I'm not a complete idiot - several parts are missing! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ace Lightning Area: MagickNet To: Chameleon Rex 7 Aug 93 02:31:20 Subject: Magick Intro UpdReq How could you leave out Starhawk? "The Spiral Dance" is probably the most readable introductory text there is. Also anything by the (alas, late) Scott Cunningham. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ace Lightning Area: MagickNet To: Titus Vandessel 7 Aug 93 02:33:50 Subject: THAT tome UpdReq As I understood it at the time, people kept coming into Herman's store and asking for the N. So one weekend he and his biker boyfriend decided to write it, so they'd have something to sell. (I forget what they sold people who asked for "tannis root".) It's a mishmash of Enochian, badly translated Mesopotamian demon-lore, third-hand Anton LaVey, fourth-hand Crowley, sex magick from everywhere, and whatever else didn't run away fast enough. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Freydis Vasa Area: MagickNet To: LEE DOHM 7 Aug 93 05:42:00 Subject: WHY? UpdReq > since he's realized that he doesn't want to go to jail... > He's just clamoring for attention, and I gave it to him... Well, I'm just glad he isn't as off-kilter as he appeared to be. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718