From: Josh Norton Area: MagickNet To: Rakshasa 30 Jul 93 22:38:00 Subject: Re: millenialist-mediums UpdReq Thus said Rakshasa to Josh Norton concerning Re: millenialist-mediums: Ra> Hello again, Josh... long time no argue! ;) Greets! How ya been? Ra> In the period before the Industrial Revolution, it was easy enough to Ra> believe in "angels" and "spirits." Everyone else did... Ra> thus, when an individual had a mystical experience Ra> involving strange, otherworldly-appearing beings (this Ra> seems to be pretty much a constant in most most mystical Ra> experiences, at least from my research), they called them Ra> "angels." Ra> In today's technological society, it's a bit passe to Ra> believe in guardian angels and the like. It's not, Ra> however, considered ridiculous to speculate on the Ra> existence of intelligent life on other planets. (Even such Ra> a dogged materialist as Carl Sagan supports this Ra> possibility). Thus now when people see glowing beings who Ra> give them information, they call them "space brothers from Ra> Arcturus" or suchlike. Hmmm. I thought I'd covered that somewhere in my message....maybe I just thought it and didn't write it down. I've been thinking about this subject (i.e., manifestations of divine impulses) for so long that I sometimes unconsciously assume that everyone understands the unstated background to my remarks. Anyway, I entirely agree with you. Jacques Vallee mentions a similar theory in re visitations of the Star- woman and other close encounters. His analysis of descriptions of such experiences indicated that Star-woman contactees and people who had visions of Mary, Jesus, etc. in earlier times were describing substantially similar phenomena and putting different labels on it. When I was working with a group in Atlanta in the early 70's, the Star- woman manifested several times to different clusters of people within the group. She appeared to myself and a friend in my apartment, along with her oft-seen companions, the Old Man with the Book and the Young Man with the Staff. My friend, a poet, interpreted her as the spirit of the World Ocean (i.e., the Earth Mother in a watery form), and her companions as the spirits of Gnosis and Creativity. She reminded me more of the Tarot card "The Priestess" except fecund instead of virginal, and my astrological background brought up associations of Jupiter and Mercury for her companions. Among other clusters in the group, one was Xtian-oriented and one was concentrating on the Urantia book. She appear separately to both these groups, and their interpretations were what one would expect given Vallee's hypothesis. The Xtians saw her as Mary, accompanied by Joseph and St. John, and the Urantists saw her as the Star-woman with her pilot and executive officer. ... Now just wait and see what I do with this cheese slicer! --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: MagickNet To: Rakshasa 30 Jul 93 22:54:02 Subject: Re: that tome UpdReq Thus said Rakshasa to Josh Norton concerning Re: that tome: > initiation. Bugs Bunny can work just as well as Set as a symbol of > the > enemy of Established Order -- even better in some ways, since he > wins > all his contests with great discordian elan, which Set rarely did. Ra> Not always... in "What's Opera, Doc?" I believe Elmer Fudd Ra> "killed the wabbit." (Of course he popped up good as new Ra> at the end, so I suppose he could also be an Osirian Ra> symbol. Ra> But I believe you may have a point there... from now on I'm going to Ra> start calling myself a "Bugsian." The whole Bugs Bunny saga is really a Set-inspired subversion, created in one of the god's more hallucinogenic moments. Elmer Fudd, with his baby-fat face, his childlike speech impediment, and his fondness for spears, guns, and other martial paraphernalia, is a symbol of Set's natural enemy the Child Horus aka "Horus the Younger". He frequently appears as a warrior and is always intent on destroying his enemies in a gloriously bloody fashion. Bugs, of course, is Set Himself. Like Set in many Egyptian tales, he lives underground and travels beneath the Earth to get from place to place. (Viz. also the "Tunnels of Set" in Kenneth Grant's darkside system.) Like Set, he is always sneaking up behind his opponents and putting a monkey-wrench into the plans even as they execute them. And like Set, even when he is killed he re-appears in time for the next exciting episode. (Tongue firmly in cheek...) Josh ... Stwike him, centuwion, vewwy woughly. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: MagickNet To: Chris Olmstead 31 Jul 93 14:36:10 Subject: Conan chanelling, etc. UpdReq Thus said Chris Olmstead to Josh Norton concerning Conan chanelling, etc.: CO> Hi Josh, [much deleted to keep the sysops happy] CO> I wish I had the words to describe more about our contacts. CO> I can't say that I've been imparted any wisdom, or learned CO> anything I could write down, just that when it's over I CO> look at the same old stuff a tad differently. CO> I could obsess, I s'pose. I'm intrigued. I'd like to know CO> more...but this guy has an unlisted number, so to speak. CO> It's a definite "don't call me, I'll call you" relationship. CO> Care to speculate? Hmm. Perhaps a few general remarks. Such "persons", who give you a definite "feel" of sapience and of independent awareness, should be placed in a different category in your mind than the ghosties and ghoulies of the lower astral. The latter are mostly temporary manifestations of the general emotional garbage produced by the necessities of our mundane existence; any individuality they have is provided by our perception of them. The former are something else. There could be any number of reasons why this fellow has taken an interest in you, and I don't care to speculate. His anonymity is characteristic of the worthwhile spiritual "helpers", as is his lack of interest in communication with your conscious self. These beings simply don't see our existence in the same way we do; the mundane world as such is neither real nor important from their point of view, and labels like personal names seem silly. And whatever work they do to us is generally done in relation to our unconscious selves, not our conscious selves. They plug things into the unconscious part, and let them gradually soak in and float to the surface. By the time you notice their presence, they've already done whatever they intended to do. Thus they see no point in sticking around; they've already "said" to you everything they want to say. Anyway, I wouldn't attach a great deal of importance to them -- certainly not to obsessive levels. Even when you understand what they've done, it is only important in the context of the immediate moment. Just note the event and don't hang onto it. ... The Aleph-sub-zero is the alephth aleph. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: M-Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Andy Cowell 31 Jul 93 07:27:00 Subject: Intro Magick UpdReq -=> Quoting Andy Cowell to All <=- AC> I'm not into Magick, basically because I don't really believe AC> in it. I do, however, find it remarkably interesting, AC> -!- Maximus 2.00 AC> ! Origin: Flesh Illusions BBS..Memphis, TN (901) 357-5483 AC> (666:777/3) I am impressed that you are interested in something you do not believe in. Is it possible that you inwardly do believe but your rational mind wont allow you to accept? If you are looking for the kind of Magick that will cause sparks to fly or have some immediate, showy result, drop the K and find a stage magician. If you are looking for Magick, then you have seen it work in your life, but probably didnt look at it as such. This isnt a criticism of you, but an indication of your 'conditioning'. You've been taught that such things either dont exist or that you need to be gifted with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. You have probably also been told that you should never run around without clothing. It be hogwash, dear friend. There are specific laws regarding magick, such as the Threefold Law. Magick should always be in accord with the free will of all, for the greater good of all, an it harm none. Should you pervert the magick, it comes back to you in spades. They call it Karma! Magick can be complex, as in working for greater prosperity or for health improvement and the working may not manifest results for days or weeks to come. It may often seem to be simply a coincidence that something you have worked for "just happened" to manifest. There are no coincidences, though. I have done magickal workings and it is for the Blessing of myself and others that the results come. They do, however, come. If you set a barricade against the manifestation, then how can you expect results? If I offer you a gift, and you refuse to extend your hand to accept it, how then may it be given? Wishes are a lightweight form of magick, and often they will come true, but they are often made without power, just wishing. Perhaps if you read Earth Magick or Positive Magick; both my Marion Weinstein, or True Magick, by Amber K, you will begin to understand more clearly that there are formulas which work well. Prayer is a form of magick, based on exactly the same principles. Any physicist worth is degree will tell you everything he can about atomic structure...to a degree. But when asked what is the FORCE that gives the whole mess of sub atomic particles cohesion, and the energy that caused it to come into being, will shrug and say, "It's just magick!" It gets to a point where there are simply no explan- ations that will otherwise suffice. Read the books, let me know what you think. Blessed Be!!! > M-Taliesin / | ()MMMMM|>>>>>TALIESIN>>>>> | \ ... Error receiving Divine Inspiration: (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Chris Olmstead Area: MagickNet To: Diva 1 Aug 93 11:08:16 Subject: Help pt 2 UpdReq Da> Could you tell me the best way to rid one of (for lack of a Da> better term) buttheads? ... Their little group of friends call Da> themselves the "DOOM PATROL"... One of Da> the Guys in the group wanted to date me, ... and he's Da> calling up people I know and saying horrible things. Hi again Diva, I have some time now, but honestly don't have much more to say in a sober vein than I had in a humorous one. If the yo-yo starts being really ugly, slap a restraining order on him. Then he _can't_ come to your office. If he's calling up people you know, perhaps you can ask Mother Bell if there is anything to be done. I believe they prosecute obscene phone-callers, but I could be behind the times, there. I wish you luck. Write again if I can help, and let me know how this works out. Regards, Chris 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phug Area: MagickNet To: Iktomiwin 27 Jul 93 12:41:00 Subject: Re: Tall Order UpdReq Ik> I hate to tell you all this, but historically, there were no midievil Ik> druidic practices. The Romans found the Druids difficult to handle Ik> hunted most of them down and destroyed them. They even went so far Ik> as Ik> to invade the Isle of Man (a druid stronghold) and slash and burn Ik> everything. Ik> I am sure that there were little secret pockets that survived into Ik> the Ik> tenth or eleventh centuries,but those practices would not have been Ik> written down, at least not according to the Druidic law...this was an I am aware of this, but when presented with an opportunity....what harm could it do? One never knows where information may be lurking. Ik> oral tradition. If you are really seeking, the best scholarship Ik> available is being done by the ADF. They do have an echo on the PODS Ik> net, and they can give you really reliable sources, as well as a Ik> connection to their own groves. Thanks for the suggestion. I might try that. Phug 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: NightCreeper Area: MagickNet To: Milo 27 Jul 93 15:15:00 Subject: Re: The Milo Problem UpdReq Mi> Sorry to inform you that I am 28. Practiced since I was 16. Mi> Hardly a juvi or an unseasoned user. Nor do I care for your Mi> attention. All I wanted was more information, too bad most of you are Mi> caught up in your own ego trips and self-made illusions to share in Mi> conversation. I must agree with the Coordinator and drop this thread Mi> because obviously most of you are incapable of intellectually Mi> stimulating conversation. I don't care for your oppinion of attention. I'm only here taking note of YOU after what I have heard. I was hoping you could hurry it up with the storms, cause it is quite boring arround here.. As for ego trips, Well, I'll leave that to you. Stimulating conversation? Oh, I thought you only made a death treat twords other human beings, not to mention other things, I'm glad this is now straitened out! Heh.. -NCVD p.s. I am a juvinile, That being no strain on wisdom.. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: NightCreeper Area: MagickNet To: Brian Downs 27 Jul 93 15:17:00 Subject: Milo Rec'd UpdReq Good one.. I guess. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: NightCreeper Area: MagickNet To: Rose Dawn 27 Jul 93 15:20:00 Subject: Re: WEATHERFOLK UpdReq RD> U.S. Record-breaking unusual weather patterns have been reported and RD> recorded all over the globe. I've heard the hypothesis that the hole RD> in the ozone layer may be much to blame for this. It seems like THAT RD> is a far more serious thing to worry about and try to think of RD> solutions for, than one angry young man who claims he's attempting to RD> destroy Oklahoma! RD> Be wary, The End may be near, Maybe not, for sake of humanity, it is not, .. but fear the worst. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: NightCreeper Area: MagickNet To: ENCHANTRESS 27 Jul 93 15:23:00 Subject: Re: Weather Controller UpdReq Please Elaborate, I dont quite understand. Are you saying it is not possible? If so, There have been more quincidence (sp) than I would care to talk about, nor would I ignor it. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: NightCreeper Area: MagickNet To: Amonramos 27 Jul 93 15:25:00 Subject: Milo UpdReq Am> if you are concerned about the land and the people, do a group ritual Am> to Am> set things right. I do not belive in rituals, it is to strait forward into evil. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: MagickNet To: Pale Rider 30 Jul 93 00:06:00 Subject: Re: Vision/Voice UpdReq PR> CP> Magick: the Enochian World of Aleister Crowley" (I know, the PR> PR> Do you know where I could get this book? And if so, how much it PR> costs? Try looking in the Crowley section of the Abyss catalog... $9.95... -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: MagickNet To: Milo 30 Jul 93 00:22:00 Subject: Re: WEATHERFOLK UpdReq Mi> As I have already said, I have backed off of Oklahoma, some Mi> time ago, to refine my craft. I'll get back to them later. We'll be waiting... -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: MagickNet To: The Sinistar 30 Jul 93 07:44:00 Subject: Re: Vision/Voice UpdReq TS> Try looking in the Crowley section of the Abyss catalog... $9.95... Thanks, Sinistar..... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Dragonstar Area: MagickNet To: LEE DOHM 31 Jul 93 23:48:00 Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the storms.. UpdReq LD> Then do it like a person with a spine! Go find her, take back your LD> children and blow her away or something! I don't think you can even LD> do LD> that though. You'll just sit there mulling things over, without even LD> attempting to look for anyone, and send out "your wrath" on hundreds LD> of LD> innocent people. Once again, "if" you were the one that created the LD> midwest storms. LD> LD> Legion Which he wasn't.... ...Milo is merely a poor, deluded child who has yet to learn the "true" ways.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Dragonstar Area: MagickNet To: Constantine 31 Jul 93 23:51:00 Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the storms... UpdReq Co> Milo.. I generally try to speak only for myself, but I think most Co> of the people suffering through your constant, juvinile lies and Co> whining over the past couple of weeks will agree with me on this-- Co> you seem like a genuinely pathetic person badly in need of attention, Co> and could probably benefit from psychiatric help. Co> Let me put it this way-- who do you think BELIEVES your nonsense? Well spoken! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Dragonstar Area: MagickNet To: Milo 1 Aug 93 00:01:00 Subject: Re: Oklahoma and the storms... UpdReq Mi> But wouldn't wiping out that witch of an x-wife of mine be a Mi> cleansing? She has no heart, she disregards others, and she stole Mi> almost all of my possesions and my children. I think that the world Mi> needs to be cleansed of such a person.......and I am really up for Mi> the job. Woe be to those who seek revenge, for he who murders a murderer must surely be doubly evil. Seek not vengence, lest vengence seek you. There are eyes set upon you, watching your every move. If your deeds are as you claim them to be, then I truly pity you and the path you have chosen. Beware those who would seek you out, for you have placed your very existance in peril. "Take this truly, and know it well, for evil souls shall burn in Hell." 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718