From: Huathe Area: MagickNet To: Paul Maurice 5 Oct 92 18:43:02 Subject: Re: Adf UpdReq What exactly is Ar nDriocht Fain? I am very interested in Druidry, but am I barking up the wrong tree? Slan, Huathe 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tommy Watt Area: MagickNet To: Zebrinon 6 Oct 92 13:51:00 Subject: hey! UpdReq yes i'm still here? didn't you get my last reply? i lost your voice number... and the 1-800 numbers are for ACI employees only... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tommy Watt Area: MagickNet To: Zebrinon 7 Oct 92 14:04:00 Subject: yo UpdReq pretty good.. are you using the tandy for modem these days? and i need your number... if i still get a license some day, i will still come out there.. (watch.. i'll get my license, and the next day you'll be comming out for summer.. laugh) Anyways.. you replied fast so i guess if we call this more often we can talk... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mary Page Area: MagickNet To: All 7 Oct 92 21:13:42 Subject: Crystal Magick UpdReq Question- does anyone (practitioner of the Craft or not) know of an " absorbant" stone? Something to channel negative energies into. The situation is this; I have a rather nasty temper. I ususally wind up upsetting people around me because I lose control of this temper and speak with out thinking. I came up with a possible solution- carrying this "sponge-stone" and when I feel out of sorts concentrating on it rather than the situation. Hopefully accomplishing two things, 1) Directing all the "bad" energy away and 2) gaining time to "put brain in gear before engaging mouth!!" I am new to Wicca and would ask everyone's advice. Thanks, 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paton Wright Area: MagickNet To: The Thespian 6 Oct 92 08:01:00 Subject: Re: Pagan Seminary UpdReq TT>re: needing to graduate from a seminary to minister in the military.. TT>maybe we could convince them to accept our pedigrees as legit? TT>ie, if you can trace your lineage back to Gardner, you're ok? :-) Yeh, and how easy would it be to just print one up? After all, there aren't any "Official Lineage" forms with a Great Seal of Gerald, are there? TT>Maybe we could just start up one of those mail order things you see in the TT>back of the Enquirer (you know...for $5 donation, you can become an ordained TT>minister?) A major sticking point, Thes, is that every Chaplin in the military has, at least, a doctorate in theology. After that there has to be some kind of recognition from that particular faith that this person is suitable for the job. A chaplin must be knowledgable (and quailfied) of current psycology methods and about other paths as well as his own so S/he can help the occaisional Catholic/Methodist/New World Order/whatever who stumbles in seeking aid and comfort. The military is also trying to protect itself and its people from the "Jim Jones" types. SLMR 2.1a Blessed Be the BBS which conveys your thoughts... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Shekhinah 7 Oct 92 00:52:38 Subject: Re: Gerald Del Campo UpdReq In a message dated 28 Sep 92 15:23:04, Shekhinah wrote: S> I've seen you calling for Gerald for ages. If he doesn't S> answer in here, I know that he posts often in the Sex Magic S> echo. I am here! I am here! ;) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL OASIS: Free your mind; your ass will follow. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: MagickNet To: Crat 6 Oct 92 04:36:40 Subject: Re: ALCHEMY UpdReq a friend of mine believes that enochian entities are actually from another dimension. i'm not terribly familiar with the story, but Enoch supposedly either imprisoned these entities in some manner, or discovered them already imprisoned. supposedly, if these entities were unleashed on the world, the world would be destroyed. enochian entities seem to have an "alien-ness" to them that other magickal entities don't seem to possess. my same friend also believes that many of the UFO sightings are actually visitations from enochian entities. don't know if any of this answers your question. 93, ----teletarchae 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: MagickNet To: Kevin Bold 6 Oct 92 04:40:54 Subject: Re: INTRODUCTION UpdReq 93 kevin, saw your message and thought i would say hello. are you still living in pittsburgh? that's the city i grew up in. hope you're doing well. 93, --kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Airmid Area: MagickNet To: Legion 6 Oct 92 21:11:00 Subject: Re: Discussion UpdReq LE>LO>IF we understand the differences between a "mundane" history and sacred LE>LO>time, we can, without contradiction, hold that our religion is timeless, LE>LO>and modern without doing violence to scholarship or magick. LE>I didn't quite understand what it was you were trying to get at. It LE>seems to me that you claimed that there is a different time line for LE>religious history than for "mundane" history. And it doesn't matter LE>that there is no connection between two points in time in religious LE>history because its religious history. LE>Still doesn't make much sense, could you repeat a gear lower ... I'm LE>tired. I think that Lorax is proposing a difference between "real" history and a Wiccan "dreamtime" history. In "real" history, Wicca is about 50 years old or so, with some tenuous connections to older things. In "dreamtime" history, Wicca goes back to the caves. Both of these views have their useful points. OLX 2.1 TD Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michael G. Area: MagickNet To: rakshasa 7 Oct 92 20:13:00 Subject: Experience & Phoo-Phoo Rec'd UpdReq rr> I agree with your statements on "Phoo-Phoo" talk and rr> the problems with today's RAMTHAs. One good way to look at an rr> order is to see the seriousness with which its members attack rr> the Great Work--to become More than Human or to Awaken from rr> If an order is truly serious it will demand a great rr> deal of its members--a lot of work in every aspect. To date I rr> have only encountered two magical orders which struck me as rr> requiring that level of seriousness, the Temple of Set and the rr> O.T.O.. (If your order wasn;t mentioned, people reading this, You talk the talk and walk the walk, but the whole point of your post is to advertise that you're a "superior person," and you rather failed totally to discern the point of mine. "More than human" indeed! Did you pick that up from LeVey, or is there another surrogate on-tap. Discrimination counts for a lot in my book. Crowley had discrimination, though most of his groupies don't. I don't find anything discriminating in people who gravitate to your so-called Temple of Set. First of all, they make a mockery of Egyptian mythology, which they don't understand. Secondly, if they have a glimmering of intelligence (and I wouldn't call LeVey exactly stupid), they are operating according to a value system that I find totally contemptible. Despite the fact that I am not a OTO member nor define myself as a Thelemite (I make a lousy groupie), I'm sure Crowley would roll over in his grave ato hear you compare "Temple of Set" and OTO in the same breath. It's like comparing kids who like to play with matches now and then with the Seattle arsonist. Crowley wasn't a Satanist by any stretch of the imagination. Take care. Take care. Take care. Swami XXX 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Corwynt Area: MagickNet To: All 8 Oct 92 13:03:06 Subject: -=*=- Handle change -=*=- UpdReq (sorry if this is getting redundant!) Windwolf is now Corwynt. (I switched back to my old handle!) Corwynt SysOp of Parallels 93:9400/3 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Michael G. 8 Oct 92 15:50:12 Subject: Experience & Phoo-Phoo Sent UpdReq MG> You talk the talk and walk the walk, but the whole point of your MG> post is to advertise that you're a "superior MG> person," and you rather failed totally to discern MG> the point of mine. "More than human" indeed! Did MG> you pick that up from LeVey, or is there another MG> surrogate on-tap. Discrimination counts for a lot MG> in my book. Crowley had discrimination, though MG> most of his groupies don't. I don't find anything MG> discriminating in people who gravitate to your so- MG> called Temple of Set. First of all, they make a MG> mockery of Egyptian mythology, which they don't MG> understand. Secondly, if they have a glimmering of MG> intelligence (and I wouldn't call LeVey exactly MG> stupid), they are operating according to a value I rather fail to get the point of what you're trying to do here, but I'll do my best to respond. My term, "More Than Human" was used by Israel Regardie (in his _The Golden Dawn). I would hardly call Regardie a LaVey surrogate on-tap. Which people from our "so-called" (yes, it is so called; what's the problem with that?) Temple of Set have you met. How do we make a mockery of Egyptian religion which we don't understand. Unless you can give me specific instances here, I'll have to write your post off as an example of name-calling and cheap personal slurs by one who knows not of whence he speaks but wishes to gain attention. Re. glimmers of intelligence--my IQ tests at between 150 and 160. I am far from the most intelligent member of the Temple of Set. Perhaps you have a different description of intelligence? The Temple, without a doubt, is a gathering of some of the most brilliant people I have ever met. For you to imply they are ignorant is, in my opinion, a sign of your own ignorance. MG> stupid), they are operating according to a value MG> system that I find totally contemptible. Despite MG> the fact that I am not a OTO member nor define MG> myself as a Thelemite (I make a lousy groupie), I'm MG> sure Crowley would roll over in his grave ato hear MG> you compare "Temple of Set" and OTO in the same MG> breath. It's like comparing kids who like to play MG> with matches now and then with the Seattle MG> arsonist. Crowley wasn't a Satanist by any stretch MG> of the imagination. MG> Take care. Take care. Take care. Swami XXX How do you find our value system "totally contemptible." We work from a position of enlightened self-interest, similar to the beliefs of Ayn Rand. We believe that happiness is to be sought, not avoided because of ascetic taboos. Our "heroic ethic" (borrowed from Norse/Germanic mythology) provides strong moral guidelines. If we wish to create a culture which runs on shame (i.e. the Japanese samurai) instead of guilt (i.e. the Christian culture--even much modern occultism, which is just Christianity minus the rules), that is our affair. I do not see how this is contemptible? Perhaps you'd care to clarify. I would not say Crowley was a Satanist--I think Crowley was very confused, to be honest. He attempted to create a religion based on "Do What Thou Wilt" but was incapable, because of personal failings, to rise above his own weaknesses (his English snobbery and class-consciousness, his immaturity toward women). I think Satanism is _influenced_ by Aleister Crowley--at least the Temple of Set's version. And I was speaking about the O.T.O. members I have encountered--they without exception were intelligent, committed, and hard-working scholars. It does not surprise me that you are not a member of the O.T.O.. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Michael G. 8 Oct 92 16:03:10 Subject: Experience & Phoo-Phoo/2 Sent UpdReq I could frankly care less about the "history" or "tradition" of a group--its use to me for my higher development at this stage of my career is what matters. In the future I suggest you learn the difference between name-calling and pointing out what you see as weaknesses in my belief system. You seem convinced that all Setians are ignorant and inferior, yet you have given me no factual basis for believing this. When you tell me whta _specifically_ you find wrong with the Temple of Set I shall be happy to address those issues. And I did not say that I was a "superior" being...only that I was interested in becoming one. I doubt you understand that. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718