From: Karl Lembke Area: MagickNet To: Jonathon Blake 21 Sep 92 09:21:42 Subject: Irish Sources and Stuff UpdReq JB>KL}>problem of learning 30 - 50 thousand characters, I would recommend it JB>KL}>as a viable world language. The tonal quality of the language is not JB> you have to learn 30 - 50 thousands words in english JB> so whats the problem < grin > JB> other than each word comes with its own picture. Okay, in that case, the problem with Chinese is that every word has TWO pictures to learn... the character, and the concept-space mapping. ___ X SLMR 1.0 X I can tell the future, but I can't tell it much. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Karl Lembke Area: MagickNet To: Josh Norton 21 Sep 92 09:21:44 Subject: Irish Sources and Stuff UpdReq JN>Karl, you have my admiration! I never could get the tonalities right, JN>even when I made tapes of myself to compare with tapes of the JN>instructor. My efforts sent the instructor into fits of intense giggling JN>-- I've always wondered what I was ACTUALLY saying, as opposed to what I JN>thought I was saying. Gave it up after two quarters. In my class, there was not one student who failed to get the tones, if not right, at least "close enough". Maybe your instructor was incompetant. ___ X SLMR 1.0 X I don't want it now, I want it RIGHT now! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Karl Lembke Area: MagickNet To: Paton Wright 21 Sep 92 09:21:52 Subject: Re: Pagan Seminary UpdReq PW>Although a seminary _sounds_ like a great idea at first, I just can't PW>see how it could be accepted. There's so much freedom and variety found PW>in the different interpretations of Paganism, how could it accept a yoke "Whatsa matter, can't take a yolk?" :-) ___ X SLMR 1.0 X I'm in shape. Round's a shape, isn't it? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Karl Lembke Area: MagickNet To: Erin 23 Sep 92 09:23:04 Subject: Re: Irish Sources and St UpdReq ER> > >All you have to learn is the character ER> > >system. And even it's not as intimidating as it looks. ER> > ER> > Except in Japanese. ER> Actually, I found the Japanese character system easier to learn ..... ER>different readings). In Chinese, at the level I am at ER>right now I'd be expected to know 120,000 characters. ER>Bleaccch. Um. By "Except in Japanese", I meant that there is more to learn than just the characters. There are a few points of the grammar I find quite obscure. (Like determining when to use "wa" and when to use "ga".) But maybe that's just me. ___ X SLMR 1.0 X Failure reading left brain. A)bort R)etry D)ance? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Karl Lembke Area: MagickNet To: Stephen Hovey 26 Sep 92 09:26:12 Subject: Pagan Seminary UpdReq SH>I was in our only occult bookstore a few weeks ago and they SH>had a sign for 'wicca 101' at the low low price of only $60 SH>a head. SH>Am I mistaken in the idea that to charge for 'classes' is SH>to get on the godess' bad side? SH>In any case, I thought it was in rather bad taste Well, this can be argued back and forth. (And has, and now looks like it will be again.) I think there are good and valid reasons for charging for classes, and if you object, there are other sources. (Books, for example, or studying with like-minded friends, or any of a number of people who teach for the love of serving the Craft and the Goddess.) Classes that are run out of a retail establishment almost invariably charge, and will probably continue to do so as long as people insist on charging for rent, utilities, groceries, etc. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X "The Rite Stuff" 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Warhound Area: MagickNet To: rakshasa 28 Sep 92 16:29:00 Subject: Re: discussion Rec'd UpdReq -=> Quoting rakshasa to Steph <=- ra> As a Setian with strong leanings toward Chaos magick, I ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ok, I'll admit my ignorance, and ask for a synopsis of the above (yes it's a request to define your worldview in 25-words, w/3 examples ) B*B Warhound ... Baroque (n): When you are out of Monet . . . 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Warhound 29 Sep 92 15:41:52 Subject: Re: discussion Sent UpdReq Setian--member of the Temple of Set; a left-hand path organization founded in 1975 by former members of the Church of Satan. Its guiding principle is the Aeonic word _Xeper_--which means willed, self-conscious transformation of the Self into a Divinity. Chaos magick--the idea that reality is but an illusory veil over chaos and thus we can alter reality through concentration and magickal ritual--it features the idea in magick that "whatever works is good" and suggests that whatever belief system helps us to deal with reality is good--that is, that their value lies in their usefulness and not in any intrinsic value because of "tradition," "holy writ," etc... Hope that helps... Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Windwolf Area: MagickNet To: The Wizard 29 Sep 92 17:09:00 Subject: LOCAL COVEN? UpdReq *** Quoting The Wizard to Domi O dated 09-28-92 *** > Jersey City is in North Jersey. I am in South Jersey...somewhere between > Salem - Philadelphia - and Atlantic City. > 93 BB > T Wiz > What kind 'o coven ya looking for? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718