From: Lewis Stead Area: MagickNet To: Steph 24 Sep 92 09:32:26 Subject: discussion UpdReq LTW> True Wicca has only been around for 50 years or so, LTW> Sh> That seems to be a bit of an arragant statement considering that the Sh> original Wicca was the belief system of the Anglo-Saxons of about Sh> 1,000 years ago who invented the word to describe their male 'preists' Sh> (the female being referred to as 'Wicce'). Could you give me an academic source for this? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lewis Stead Area: MagickNet To: The Thespian 24 Sep 92 09:33:54 Subject: Re: Pagan Seminary UpdReq TT> re: needing to graduate from a seminary to minister in the military.. TT> TT> TT> TT> maybe we could convince them to accept our pedigrees as legit? TT> TT> ie, if you can trace your lineage back to Gardner, you're ok? :-) TT> TT> Maybe we could just start up one of those mail order things you see in TT> the back of the Enquirer (you know...for $5 donation, you can become TT> an ordained minister?) I'm not sure if you're being ironic here or not, but the requirement that you go to a seminary has more to do with the professional requirements of the ministry than it does with the religious ones. Such things as pastoral counseling, etc. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Erin Area: MagickNet To: Airmid 25 Sep 92 23:19:48 Subject: Re: Irish Sources And Stu UpdReq > The other thing about magick that we need to remember is > that it > causes change! While it helps us to understand the magick > and religion > of another culture when we speak the language, that doesn't > mean we have > to take all the attitudes to heart and =become= every aspect > of that Indeed. In fact, it is impossible, IMHO, to *become* every aspect of that culture. Americans that I knew in Japan who tried to *become* Japanese didn't do too well. No matter how well you speak the language there are always things that give you away--some of them very subtle indeed. Then there are them round eyes. > those that don't (like Druidic sacrifices in Gaul, for instance.) What's wrong with that? I have a few people I'd like to put on the sacrifice list. ) > In the same manner, speaking a language doesn't make one > a part of the > culture, but it does help one to understand it. Yes, it does. In fact, one doesn't really speak a language until one can think in it. In a language like Japanese where there are no cases of nouns, only three tenses of the verb, no singulars and plurals, and action takes place as opposed to being done by someone in particular, training oneself to think in the language demands a change of the way one looks at the world. One begins to think in group terms, and be less egotistical. Humbling experience, that. Erin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nisaba Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 25 Sep 92 21:18:08 Subject: Hub magazine UpdReq Gerald, when I was a reader of the HUB I enjoyed your stuff immensely. Now the former editors have given it to me, and if you have any more material you would like printed, I would be only too glad to accept it. Can you still pick up the Hub echo? I've become the de-facto moderator (you can't be a proper moderator unless things are happening in an echo!) If you're interested, you can dump material in there, or the paperchase address is P.O. Box 93, Gosford, NSW, 2250, Australia. Blessed be! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Dee Weardale Area: MagickNet To: Samuel Wagar 10 Sep 92 07:28:10 Subject: resource directory UpdReq On (10 Sep 92) Samuel Wagar wrote to All Canadians... SW> ANNOUNCING THE FIFTH ANNUAL SW> DIRECTORY TO CANADIAN PAGAN RESOURCES A fine work :-), one comment though SW> ..... SW> ....... resources not directly Pagan - lesbian, SW> gay, and Native resources. lesbians and gays are in all cultures so are as stated not Pagan specific. Surely Native (Canadian) resources are Pagan though, otherwise what does Pagan mean. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: MagickNet To: Steph 25 Sep 92 13:12:28 Subject: Re: discussion UpdReq Steph - Possibly the absence of any source material from the Anglo-Saxon culture of 1,000 years or so back contributes to the "arrogance" of defining the word Wicca in modern context to mean "post-Gardnerian witchcraft." Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Matt Drury 24 Sep 92 10:53:02 Subject: Hooray! Fed again! UpdReq In a Lo-rez Cyberspace object, Matt Drury @1:363/69@FidoNet texturalized this into my current Cyberspace co-ordinates MD> With this message, London BBS returns to MagickNet and PODS after MD> being away for too many years. (Settling in with popcorn in hand to MD> catch up on the messages.) Welcome! Long time no see! (geepers...been a lot of that lately...) It seems there are a number of people who are returning and saying hello. Now if we could just get Brad Hicks to....nah.... ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: MagickNet To: Steph 26 Sep 92 10:52:00 Subject: Re: discussion UpdReq Dear Steph: I have been watching this "What's Wicca" argument amongst various participants for some time now. I would agree with you that many Wiccans use the word the way fundamentalists use "Christianity" (i.e. if you don't believe as I do you're not Wiccan/Christian/etc.) I do have some questions about Wicca, and hope you wouldn't mind answering them... 1) You (and many other Wiccans) claim to be following a religion which is the "Olde Religion"...the religion of the Saxons/Druids/Germanic pagans et al. Where in Saxon/Druid/Germanic lore do you find a) the words "an it harme none, do what ye will," b) the threefold law; c) the Great Rite. 2) To (possibly) end the argument--why is it important that Wicca _be_ an "Olde Religion?" Why can't the people who are arguing say that "Wicca was created by Gardner/Murray/Leland Stanford around 100 years ago. We saw a problem in modern spirituality--that it was not connected enough with our Mother Earth--and so created a religion which took many elements of ancient paganism." As a Setian with strong leanings toward Chaos magick, I personally believe if it works for you magically, it's valid. I don't see why it's so important to be considered part of a tradition--if I did I'd still be a Roman Catholic. I look forward to your response. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Wizard Area: MagickNet To: Domi O 28 Sep 92 01:33:02 Subject: LOCAL COVEN? UpdReq Jersey City is in North Jersey. I am in South Jersey...somewhere between Salem - Philadelphia - and Atlantic City. 93 BB T Wiz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Wizard Area: MagickNet To: The Grey man 28 Sep 92 01:38:20 Subject: SOUTH JERSEY PAGANS UpdReq The Network Idea sounds like it is just what is needed. I'd be interested in discussing this... Send me some E-mail and maybe we can get together and talk about it. I have to say, though, my transportation situation is currently public-transit... 93 BB T Wiz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718