From: Steve James Area: MagickNet To: Stephen Hovey 12 Sep 92 21:03:04 Subject: cards UpdReq SH> To: Barbara Kennedy From: Stephen Hovey Read: YES ___--------------------------------------------------------------------- SH>I believe that tarot acts as a trigger to the subconscious, SH> Complete agreement here! SH>Most practitioners of the arts (boy I sound granouise there.. sorry).. many SH>practitioners will create of circle of protection for any SH>and all workings.. methods vary.. but it is a good idea for SH>any workings to do so.. even for readings... this helps SH>protect one from outside influences... the lack of doing SH>so.. the open 'invoking' of any or all astral riff raff is SH>why so many spiritualist end up broken and alcoholic.. (no SH>insults intended).. It's quite needed for readings. For one, it helps to set the proper mindframe, and it also helps to keep the readings from going awry from various 'clutter and static' that is constantly around. You are quite right, it is not a good idea to invoke anything and everything around, not everything is nice. Certainly no insults felt here! Blessed Be & 93, Steve J. ___ X EZ 1.33 X 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Barbara Kennedy Area: MagickNet To: Lady Timber Wolf 13 Sep 92 06:05:02 Subject: Re: discussion UpdReq If your message meant you would--I've got quite a few questions! I've been doing reading on my own, an awful lot of books, and everything has gotten a bit mixed up. First, Wicca is only part of paganism, a 'sect' if you will. It is therefore possible to be a pagan without being a witch, yes? All the 'traditions' I've read about, do they refer to nature religions also, or is that the Craft too? I've read of a Celtic tradition, but what I've found seems to refer to Ireland, does any you know of look to Scotland? It sounds sometimes as if this can be as hidebound as any mainstream churches--were the divisions cleaned up for the interviewers, or in real life do people do as they wish? Be warned--I've got more! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Barbara Kennedy Area: MagickNet To: Stephen Hovey 13 Sep 92 06:11:40 Subject: cards UpdReq Thanks for your reply; another person mentioned something of the same idea, I guess that must be it. I was rather startled by the whole thing, particularly since I hadn't been really looking for it. I also tend to be something of an Elephant's Child---why, why, why, why...... Your 'will create a circle of protection for any and all workings' makes the other brief comment I got make more sense, and I think now that's what she meant. All of this is very new to me, and often the best-intentioned explana- tions leave me blinking until I get another piece. Thanks again. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: MagickNet To: The Grey Man 13 Sep 92 09:42:50 Subject: Re: PAGAN SEMINARY UpdReq Grey - Well, you know how self-effacing and soft-spoken I am on the nets (g). Actually, my reaction to the "clergy in the closet" was harsher too, but maybe I am learning tact at my advanced age .... naaaah. Were those the two young men with whom I had a delightful chat about Shadowrun at FSA? And they didn't tell you so we could have a visit? Uh...do you have a woodshed at home? Perhaps you could build one (g). Oh well, there's always next year. Seriously, I can appreciate the horrible dilemma of someone with... - a "true" vocation to serve as clergy - a lack of opportunity to function in the Pagan mode, or lack of knowledge, or even a lack of the courage necessary to dive into such a exliminal culture. Several of the lectures on ethics in the Golden Dawn and Thelemite communities note (if I can paraphrase from memory) - Do not sneer at another's weakness. Who knows if you would stand up to the same test if you were in his place. And if you did, why should the strong be contemptuous of the weak? But supporting the proposed "easy out" of imposing a central seminary process in a system of belief which prizes the individual gnosis above (it seems to me) all other religious experiences, and with the avowed purpose if creating a paid clerical caste...that's is not just the kind of tolerance that "enables" a weakness, it is actively rewarding weakness. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: MagickNet To: Wind-Walker 14 Sep 92 09:27:12 Subject: The Book Of Thoth UpdReq In a missive penned Sep 10, 92ev, Wind-Walker wrote to Tony Iannotti from 666:93/93: >quoting TONY IANNOTTI To: JONATHON BLAKE TI}> Yes, I knew this, and also it is described in MTP as TI}>``[A]n account of the divine perfection illustrated by the TI}>seven-fold permutation of the dyad[,]'' which sounds more TI}>to me like a planetary system. (the only seven I find in TI}>216 is the six lines plus a summary) > Anybody ever looked at the Stanza's of Dzyan? > Also liber trigrammaton? > any possibility that either of those are it? > Or Crowly playing around with the planetary sigils, etc > from Enochian? The Stanzas are by Blavatsky, and their comment in the Blue Equinox is identified as a separate book. Also, it and Trigrammatton both seem to deal with threes more than sevens. An enochian take on it is good. I don't know why it would have a chinese-sounding name, but.... Does anyone know if Shih Yi means anything to orientalists? TI}> What I should have said was that the Equinox III(7) was called the Shih TI}>Yi, but that it's contents are the Yi King. However, some TI}>books, like the Tao Teh King, Liber Nike, and Liber TI}>Cadaveris, did have more than one number. > not forgetting liber AL having two numbers. > << tho if one wants to be really picky it is two different > works. >> << I knew there was fatal flaw in my thinking > there. >> Well, the printed one did have two names, Liber L, then Liber AL. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718