From:    Paul Hume                              Area: MagickNet
To:      Gerda Thunarsson                        5 Aug 92 12:48:02
Subject: Re: Sun? Female?                       UpdReq 

Gerda -
 Baldur "lost the battle of Ragnarok and was taken to Hel"?
 What happened to the original myth, or what I thought was the original myth, 
in which....
 - Frigga worked a magic to gain invulnerability for Baldur, but as one of the 
conditions, had to bespeak "everything" that could harm him, enjoining it not 
to do so. She overlooked the humble mistletoe plant.
 - Loki got wind of this oversight, and fashioned a sharp dart of mistletoe.
 - When the Aesir were sporting casting darts, Loki handed blind Hoenir the 
mistletoe dart and guided his hand to cast it straight at Baldur, who was 
killed.
 He did indeed pass into Hel's domain, but prior to Ragnarok (indeed, his 
death presages Ragnarok).
 Could you cite the source of the mythos you quote?
 Paul

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From:    Grendel                                Area: MagickNet
To:      Gerda Thunarsson                        5 Aug 92 20:31:00
Subject: Sun? Female?                           UpdReq 

 > He lost the battle in Ragnarok, and was taken to Hel.  When the true way
 > of the Good and True Fok rises again, we will release Balder from Hel,
 > and he will reign again.
 He doesn't die IN Ragnarok. His death marks the beginning of the end before 
Ragnarok.

 -= Grendel =-


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From:    Eric                                   Area: MagickNet
To:      Josh Norton                             4 Aug 92 21:01:30
Subject: Re: FISHY?                             UpdReq 

     Hello :
     I have collected a few facts on Fishes and Christianity :
   The Fish ( Xtian ) : The sign of Jonah, Immortality ( ressurection)
       The Early Fathers called the faithfull 'piscuili' , making the
       appostels fishers of men . The fish represents christ in the 
       Latin church but not in the Greek Orthodox . The rebus ICHTHUS
      was derived from the phrase Iesous Christos Theou Huios Soter
       ( Jesus Christ , Son of God, Savious ) wich I suppose was similar .
       Of ocurse, fish with a basket of bread and wine was the meal at the
       last supper .* It's also considered a 'cleaner' animal. It comes from
       the waters...so it is somewhat 'ethereal' to man . *
    
     Let's not forget that a fish was the phalus of Osiris . Although
     I don't know if this had any influence , it most certainly could
     have . As the Christians have adopted many things from the Egyptian
     mythos . 
                                                 
   LVX 
                          -= Ra =-

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From:    Eric                                   Area: MagickNet
To:      Mors Justi                              4 Aug 92 21:12:06
Subject: Re: RE. THE GREAT SEAL OF THE U.S.     UpdReq 

     Greetings :
      The secrets of the eye and pyramid on the reverse of American money
 has often fascinated me and brought me to a great deal of though . Yes,
 both the eye and the pyramid have often been used in symbolism . The eye
 seems to be representive of moral code and authority ( the final truth )
 peering at what is accomplished by the people and laborers ( the pyramid ) 
 to achieve it's goals . Sometimes I get a pompous feeling of it . 
 As if the eye is the elite and higher class  ( secret and few ) being
 held to their lofty unreachable position by us laymen who are the pyramid .
 Holding it up, yet nable to reach it. 
   As far as the Egyptians are concerned, they did not put eyes on their 
pyramids. Although they did line the very tops with gold wich I am sure
 gleamed under the dessert sun quite a bit..giving it that feel . In fact,
 I believe that this gold ( since long gone, or stolen ) gave them much of the 
original impact, now lost !          
                              LVX          93 
                                   -= Ra =-
                                     PAX

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From:    Lorax                                  Area: MagickNet
To:      Erin                                    6 Aug 92 19:08:00
Subject: Sun? Female?                           UpdReq 

You will note that all figures in mantic or battle trance in Irish and 
Scottish myth and folklore are described as reddened, or having red upon 
them.  Using that logic, Finn, Cu, Fergus, the Dagda, Brigid, Morrigan,
and a cast of hundreds would also be solar gods by that reckoning.
Erynn and I just finished a series of three lectures on Celtic Poesy 
(Filiocht), meditation, and Faery.  We discuss this at some length. If you 
are interested, you can get a copy of the relevant sections from us for the 
cost of postage, or the booklet (70+ pages) when it comes out.  
 

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From:    Shadowcloud                            Area: MagickNet
To:      Red E Turok                             7 Aug 92 18:07:02
Subject: Sun? Female?                           UpdReq 

 -=> In a magickal message to Lorax, Red E Turok said <=-
 RET> Lugh and Bel aren't considered Sun Gods currently? Hmmmm, good thing
 RET> you told me. Who decided that Lugh and Bel were not Sun Gods and what
 RET> is the basis of that decision? 
Yeah, this is a new one by me, too!  Lugh & Bel were always Sun Gods...
(As are Ra, Apollo, et al...)  (Is not Lughnasad generally a celebration
of the wheat growing in the fields by the benefit of the sun???)
B*B
Glenn
... If only men came with pull-down menus and on-line help.

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