From:    Grendel                                Area: MagickNet
To:      Karl Lembke                            26 Jun 92 22:45:00
Subject: Thirteen                               UpdReq 

 > I am looking for information on the magical and other significance
 > of the number thirteen.  I have some references at home, and a few
 > ideas, but any input would be appreciated.
 The number of lunar months in a year.

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From:    Lorax                                  Area: MagickNet
To:      John Gialuco                           26 Jun 92 22:15:00
Subject: Channeling In ???                      UpdReq 

I have not found that one needs to be a genius in asking a "spirit
entity" to prove it is what it claims to be.  Simple college history
and a tape recorder are often enough.  I speak from personal knowledge of 
Kevin Ryerson, Lazaris, and a host of others.  
 Check out the Bridey Murphy case for a sense of how to --or not to- conduct 
an investigation.  The dubious authenticity of 99% of all spirit contacts was 
what prompted the French and others to develop tests.  You can check out 
Hereward Carrington for some almost contemporary training materials.  
 Look, I have just gotten disgusted with the umpteenth Lemurian Space person 
channeler who will bring us into the bright, all white, all western/Egyptian 
bodiless TRUTH.  I can only comment on what I have seen, what I have spent 
the last 17 or so years of my life researching, and looking for decent stuff. 
 I have found some.  But I have never found it in a large auditorium as an 
amusement for others.  
 BB/SMIB                Lorax


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