From: Oghma Area: MagickNet To: Farrell Mcgovern 5 Jun 92 00:48:00 Subject: Fuck You? You S... Sent UpdReq On 06-01-92, FARRELL MCGOVERN wrote to MIKE PFEIFFER: FM> No, it's O.K., they tend not to last very long, since most FM> often they want a flame war, and what they get is intellegent FM> conversation...and they usually cannot handle that! Isn't it great... they come here looking for a fight and get peace. Now... isn't this supposed to be reversed???? Christians are supposed to be peace loving and "Pagans" The baby killing, sinners Lord if they could only look past what their "Leaders" are telling them. Oghma * Freddie 1.1 * eye of newt, toe of frog, and a side of fries... Please 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Philip Cavanagh Area: MagickNet To: Morgana 2 Jun 92 16:07:50 Subject: Re: Negative Vibrations Sent UpdReq Greetings Morgana! M> not ALL pagans are reverse-bigots, but i agree that M> we often see far too M> much of it on the echoes...don't give up, the rest of us ARE out here! I find that it works both ways, Christians slag the Pagan's/Witches because they misunderstood the belief system, and vice-versa. We already live in a world where there's a lot of negativity, and unless we all realize that regardless of skin color/religion, we are all one! There can't be a number of people who are "better" then other people, yet certain members of our global community percieve this as being correct. It happens everywhere, not only in the echo's. I would suggest that we put a stop to the negativity, but that goes against a person's free will, so to speak. In my daily travels, I have found the following does work. When you meet a person for the first time, get to know the person first, and then treat them like they were your best friend. Once this happens, you'll find that they will treat you the same way! But then again, I find that I can change a person's perception of things by automatically recieving his or her negative energy, and sending back or turning it into positive energy. Sure did work when I worked at the 7-11 in Victoria (I live in Sooke). 93!phil!93; Do What Thou Wilt, and, PARTY ON DUDESS! :) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Philip Cavanagh Area: MagickNet To: Mike Pfeiffer 2 Jun 92 16:15:34 Subject: Re: Xtian. Sent UpdReq Greetings Mike! MP> lets try again. Reasoned arguments were not gonna reach this guy, and MP> he angered me to the point that my inflammatory MP> rhetoric gland kicked in. I assumed him to be MP> christian because he attacked us all (not just MP> thelemites by name) as Satanists - and anyone who MP> believes in the Satan of the Bible gets labeled in MP> my eyes as Xtian. A form of prejudice? Perhaps so. MP> Accurate? Usually. I find that if you start getting annoyed at a Christian, he or she will keep yelling there version of beliefs at ya. It's best to treat that kind of comment the same way ya do with someone who is drunk, and ignore it. No matter how much they spout there beliefs, the only way they will learn the truth is when they pass on from the earth plane to the afterlife. 93!phil!93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Merlin Area: MagickNet To: Mike Pfeiffer 6 Jun 92 03:59:00 Subject: Re: REALLY!!?? Sent UpdReq Sort of the zen/ quantum physics if we believe it to be reality it is kind of thing. Actually I've noticed that a large percentage of "Magik" seem to be stuff like visualizing and visual reiforcement (Rune magik, Draw a rune of order over a rune of man (yourself) to help you clear your thoughts and concentrate ect.. You concentarte just by doing it. Nothing to do with ancient gods or planets just the power of your own mind talking itself into a certain behavior. I found that I use a lot of "Magik" every day and have for quite a while. I visualize stuff all the time I write things out to straighten my thoughts. You can think many things at once but you can only write down one idea at a time so you hforce yourself to look at everything and work through it. I guess that the term Magik is just used to much or it's too vague much like the word love. I love my parents and I love playing the guitar but the "Love" is as different as night and day. I personaly wouldn't call most of the stuff magic, just psychology but that's because I consider magic to be wonderful and entertaining, bringing things into and out of existance, a journey into a land of make believe. This is what I do almost every day and I don't really consider visualizing to be "magik" but that's me. I guess the only problem I have is why do you have to envoke jupiter or him and her or whatever to do this. Why not just visualize yourself? I love nature and thoroughly enjoy walks in the wood or hiking up Pikes Peak but I don't have to draw a circle or invoke anyone. If I wan't to relax / meditate I do, It's just regualted breathing and muscle control, anyone can do it without creating a circle (of energy) although I will admit that is a good way to focus mental thought. I guess I just don't get the whole having to invoke different stuff thing. ho hum... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Merlin Area: MagickNet To: Lord Aslan 7 Jun 92 06:14:10 Subject: Reverse Bigotry?? Sent UpdReq Just an observation but what's wrong with christianity? You seem to have the impresion the chistian=antagonist. If you've ever read the cronicles of Narnia Lord Aslan is the name of the lion, (lion and the lamb. lamb being jesus and the lion being god the father.) who represents god the father. C.S. Lewis did a lot of christian books you know. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718