From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Danny Harris 19 Apr 92 19:14:10 Subject: Learning on your own UpdReq DH> Really well when you are learning about magick on your DH>own with only a book to guide you you sometimes end up DH>with some different ways of doing things. It seamed Somebody military (either Winston Churchill, or Doug MacArthur) said "Tell people what to do, but not how to do it, and they'll surprize you with their ingenuity." Or something like that. :) --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Visualize Whirled Peas! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Vitriol 19 Apr 92 19:19:12 Subject: Calling All Linguists! UpdReq VI>I'd be curious to know if you discover the language. Have you seen any VI>Enochian? Aramaic? Egyptian? Actually, no. I've heard a few words in some Celtic dialect that sounded similar, but again not quite right. In fact, if you (or anybody else) is familiar, there is one phrase that I've retained. I couldn't give you a "proper" spelling, but phonetically it would look something like "Kah-rehsh Mah-daem" (accents on the second syllable in both words). I scoured my copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Old Testament, after trans-literating the above into Hebrew characters, but to no real avail. Any ideas? --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Visualize Whirled Peas! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Cave Cub 19 Apr 92 19:24:14 Subject: Empathic projection &c. UpdReq CC>T>>"I'd like some material on _______________, please", CC>T>>wherein ___________ is some sort of empathicly-projected CC>T>>recreation of my experience. CC>Ok, that's not the easiest question to ask in a bookstore or library, CC>but, as you're already discovering, online it's a snap and you can CC>get buried in the feedback. Really? How do you do empathic projections via keyboard? ;) CC>T>>Hey, maybe we could discuss here the topic we've been playing CC>T>>E-mail-tag about on DBS? CC>. CC>I'm still researching it. I'm halfway through _Leatherfolk_, it's CC>tempting to jump straight to the spirituality section, but I'm gonna CC>process the information sequentially. A friend of mine here in Seattle suggested I read it rather randomly. The first several essays (and several in-between) are pretty dry, or not really relevant to me personally, but some are GREAT! (Especially liked John Preston's entry--that one really hit home!) CC>Are you on the mailing list for Northwind's newsletter? Yep--just got my latest copy a couple of days ago. Haven't read it yet, but I got it! Huggerz-- ==Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Visualize Whirled Peas! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: MagickNet To: Black Tiger 20 Apr 92 20:18:56 Subject: Re: A New Face UpdReq On 15 Apr 92 20:03:11, Black Tiger posted a message to Farrell McGovern concerning "Re: A New Face"... BT> ADF (Ar Andraiocht Fein) - 1. Irish for "Our Own Druidism" 2. an BT> independent tradition/denomination of Neopagan Druidism. BT> (quote/unquote Issac Bonewits) BT> Bigger Quote from same text : [deleted to save bandwidth] Thanks, Black Tiger, for that introduction. I believe such introductions can help us get familiar with each other more quickly. Knowing Bonewits' views, I hope the fact that Setians participate in this echo (I'm one) won't cause you to leave. I (for one) look forward to your contribution to this community of ours. Balanone PP ... Time loop detected. Details at 5. Details at 5. Details at 5. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: John Shaman Area: MagickNet To: Theseus 21 Apr 92 15:30:02 Subject: Poem UpdReq TH> YOUR GODS ARE MY GODS Very good poem, Theseus. * OLX 2.1 TD * Hello, I am part number ||X||||X||X||X|| 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Static Area: MagickNet To: Oberon 21 Apr 92 20:30:00 Subject: Re: Vortex UpdReq You are correct. I chose to use the improper plural so as to not sound so snooty: it tends to run off at lot of people who are put off by that sort of thing. I will continue to use such errors if they serve the cause of communication: my English profs -- and I aced Freshman Comp -- took Honors English in High School, etc., told us that to be too uppity did not further one's cause in certain situations. I do not correct every error I see: it is simply bad manners. Thank you for your input.sf 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Static Area: MagickNet To: Oberon 21 Apr 92 22:44:00 Subject: VORTEX UpdReq In an appendix to my previous reply to you, I checked the many dictionaries to see if my excellent memory was faulty. It was not. Either VORTEXES or VORTICES are acceptable pluralizations of VORTEX. I would recommend consulting a dictionary before correcting someone. To be sure VORTICES is the fancier, more proper (read "Latinized") plural, but to continue with what I said in my previous note, I would rather use a spelling that would be less intimidating to my public. I am in the business of trying to help people, not be snooty or intimidate them. Thank you for your time and have a pleasant day. /////STATIC 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Darren Hanson Area: MagickNet To: Images 22 Apr 92 13:00:00 Subject: Tarotic Hygene UpdReq > Greets Darren, Okay, now I think I understand why. How about giving a poor, uninformed solitary Wiccan a few hints on the HOW of it now. My deck worries me some days as I stumble blindly along with it. I think it would be rather nice to get any of the extranious influences out and away from the deck.... Brightest Blessings Darren Hanson --- --- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Camille Lockyer Area: MagickNet To: Danny Harris 22 Apr 92 14:44:00 Subject: Re: Vortex UpdReq > Really well when you are learning about magick on your own > with only a book to guide you you sometimes end up with some > different ways of doing things. It seamed logical that if > you were putting energy back into the earth you would want to > lie down on it although I guess you could channle the energy > down your spine or through your feet if you were sitting or > standing. I learned the same way, mostly from books and I used alot of my own intuition as well. I've only belonged to a coven for a little over a year now, and my HPs recomends certain books for me to read. So, there's nothing wrong with learning from books or following your heart! Blessed Be! Camille 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Camille Lockyer Area: MagickNet To: Static 22 Apr 92 20:58:00 Subject: VORTEX UpdReq > Hi. Static here again. I am looking forward to reading your > account. My own journal, Vortex, will have its wonderful 4th > issue out in less than a month, so please get in touch with > me so that I can hopefully share some concepts and such with > you. What I have scanned of your public messages is > fascinating, but it is alwasys helpful -- to me at least -- > to see a case as an organic whole. Again, thank you for your > time: I look forward to hearing from you!/////STATIC I don't know if I can get exact times and dares on all occurances because I didn't write it down as it happened. Here's another interesting tidbit for you. Another friend of mine who lives in the Manhatten Beach area, had one of her neighbors ask her if she knew what was going on with the lay lines. The neighbor said they felt an incredible build up along the lay lines. One thing bothers me about my putting a a bubble over it, should I find a way to disapate it? Blessed Be! Camille 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Camille Lockyer Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 22 Apr 92 21:04:00 Subject: Vortex UpdReq > Hm. I was told that it could act as a kind of "battery." > Supposed to > be magnetized with a loadstone, eh? I've never heard of that > practice. > What tradition(s) does that come from? (I'm > Kingstone-Majestic) You are right about the battery effect, the loadstone is used when you consecrate the blade and the blade is stored pointing always to the north. The tradition I use is 1734. Blessed be! Camille 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Ellianna 23 Apr 92 22:06:00 Subject: Crowley Lite UpdReq EL>It actually depends quite a bit on if you want "light" EL>reading or actual documentation. I'm definitely more interested in stuff geared towards practical application rather than purely academic or theoretical info--although having some of the latter would probably help further my understanding of the former. EL>I personally don't know if it is possible to get "hermetic" EL>Golden Dawn information that is easy on Crowley... Crowley = Hermetic? As in, related to the study & practice of the teachings/philosophy of Hermes Trismegistus? Or is dear uncle Aleister so integral a part of the HDG material that it'd be hard to make much distinction? EL>I would have to refer this question to Paul Seymour or some of the other mor EL>knowledgeable people on the nets... If you don't have access to PaganChat or EL>the Wicca net please see your sysop and see if he can hook EL>you up to them, they should be easily accessable. Oh, PAUUULLLL...! :) Sacred Grove BBS is hooked up with PaganChat and Wicca both. I may have to tag those areas & add them to my offline mail packet. EL>In the meantime I will consult my resources and the local EL>library and see if there is anything. You may also want to EL>get in touch with the BBS at the Library of Congress and EL>look there by subject. EL>Will post more on it later. YAY!! I really appreciate you checking thru your resources--I didn't know the Library of Congress even *had* a BBS! Could you post their #? That could be a veritable tresure-trove of information...! Also still welcoming input from anybody else who might want to offer it--basically, I'm looking for as much primary material on practical Hermeticism, and am assuming that the HGD is the best "topic" under which to search for such. Commentaries & second- and third-hand info is all very well and good, but my college English prof's really instilled a deep love of primary sources in me! :) Grazie!! --Tal * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Bothered by Schrodinger's Cat? Just ignore it.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Thespian Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 23 Apr 92 20:55:00 Subject: Re: Methods and Means UpdReq re: Last Temptation of Christ I thought it was a great movie...but I probably wouldn't have gone out of my way to watch it...if there hadn't been so much attention drawn to it.. another good movie, that you may not have seen, because it's small, and Canadian, and french (with english subtitles), is Jesus of Montreal... Thes. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: David Hartis 21 Apr 92 22:06:00 Subject: Re: Onanists Unite! UpdReq -=> David Hartis sent a message to Paul Busby on 04-19-92 15:09 <=- -=> Onanists Unite! <=- DH> amount...It no longer considers masturbation a sin but it still DH> frowns on all forms of birth control except the rythm method. You know what they call people that use the rhythm method? Parents. DH> Hmmm... I wonder the last person who the last person to go to hell DH> for masturbation was.....bet they're reall pissed now! Hehehe. ... Selections from the 1974 Defecator's Handbook. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: William Hunter 23 Apr 92 09:05:00 Subject: Re: Amerind struggles UpdReq -=> William Hunter sent a message to Vitriol on 04-22-92 22:50 <=- -=> Re: Amerind struggles <=- WH> Yes, please do send me some materials on current struggles. My WH> cynicism aobut the human condition can't be any worse than it is WH> already eh? My despair arises from the thought that oppressed groups, WH> such as the amerinds, would be gleefully stomping whites into the mud WH> if they themselves had the numbers and technology that the whites had WH> when they came here. Who to help? Everyone I guess. Peace. 1. Will do. 2. I'm not sure if what others call cynicism really is. When you see a pattern of behaviour over and over again, I personally don't think it cynical to say "See? They're doing it again!" 3. I'm not so sure about the reverse oppression. Certainly that wasn't the case in early contact, when the Natives had the upper hand. The image I see is this: It was a dark and stormy night. A stranger, lost and unable to fend for himself, arrives at someone's doorstep. They take him in, feed and clothe him, nurse him back to health. As soon as he's better, he kills the parents and locks the kids up in a closet, only occasionally tossing them some meager food and drink. Often, he fails to even do that. Some die, others kill themselves out of despair, a few survive - only a tenth of their original number. When public opinion is brought to bear on the stranger, he tells people it's none of their business, and anyway all that stuff happened so long ago that there's no point in bringing it up again. Meanwhile, the kids, now free to wander around the house, are undernourished and disheartened. The stranger, who now has a family of his own, takes care of his own kids, and leaves the original heirs to fend for themselves any way they can. Meanwhile, the house is a wreck, as the stranger and his family have trashed the place with no thought for sanitation or good health. But some of his children have learned to care: about the condition of the house, about their fellows... 4. Who to help? Who one can. I'll be sending some info your way. Meanwhile, I can recommend the following: Custer Died For Your Sins Seven Arrows Black Elk Speaks In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse Lame Deer: Seeker Of Visions George Catlin's writing on his travels. Hanta Yo Akwesasne Notes (newspaper) Lakota Times (") ... S'kan, Taku S'kans'kan 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 23 Apr 92 09:08:00 Subject: Re: Calling All Linguists! UpdReq -=> Taliesin sent a message to Vitriol on 04-19-92 19:19 <=- -=> Calling All Linguists! <=- T> In fact, if you (or anybody else) is familiar, there is one phrase T> that I've retained. I couldn't give you a "proper" spelling, but T> phonetically it would look something like "Kah-rehsh Mah-daem" T> (accents on the second syllable in both words). Huh. Could be about anything, from Arabic to Swahili to Yuma. Kinda sticks to you, though, don't it? I'll keep an ear out for you. ... I hear Enochian, but you can't come in... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: Balanone 23 Apr 92 09:09:00 Subject: Re: A New Face UpdReq -=> Balanone sent a message to Black Tiger on 04-20-92 20:18 <=- -=> Re: A New Face <=- B> ... Time loop detected. Details at 5. Details at 5. Details at 5. ... A seminar on time travel will be held at noon two weeks ago. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718