From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Paul Busby 11 Apr 92 23:16:50 Subject: Re: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Paul Busby @93:9400/0 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: FM> There are a lot of subjects that need to be talked FM>about, and it would be nice to see everyone here (even FM>those who are lurking) to post at least ONCE A YEAR a short FM>msg about a magickal topic that is very important to you, FM>and you would like to see discussed by the community at FM>large. PB> Well, I'm an Onanist myself. It's a joyful religion, and not as PB> solitary as people often think! }:-) Excuse me for my ignorance...but what is an Onanist? ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Black Tiger 11 Apr 92 23:17:54 Subject: A New Face Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Black Tiger @1:106/48 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: BT> Good Evening Everyone! or Day as the case may be.... BT> I'd like to introduce myself to y'all and announce my intention to BT> frequent this echo. BT> I'm looking forward to all of the interesting conversation that I BT> have been reading through and hope to add to the best of my abilities. BT> BT> Thanx... BT> ... Black Tiger - Brei Leith Grove (Ar Andraiocht Fein); Houston, Welcome! You might be interested in giving eveyone here (for those who don't know) what is the Ar Andraiocht Fein...as well, there is also a Celtic Echo that you might find of some interest... ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Salustra Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 13 Apr 92 01:08:44 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq I sympathize wholeheatedly. I suffer from the same problem myself. I think a lot ofsolitaries do(at least quite a few of the solitaries _I've_ met have the same problem). It is very frustrating to try to work alone without resources or contacts to further one's understanding. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Salustra Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 13 Apr 92 01:11:42 Subject: Re: Freddie... Sent UpdReq Queen has always been one of my favorites. Their music has a touch of the mystical, especially the early stuff(like "My Fairy King"from Queen I and almost every song on Queen II). I am saddened by his death.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Danny Harris Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 10 Apr 92 16:16:00 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq CL> not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies CL> that CL> have been raised. Ok to ground I usually just lie down on the ground, catch my breath and think callming thoughts is thier a better way to do this? Blessed Be Danny Harris 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Barak Area: MagickNet To: Vitriol 12 Apr 92 18:25:30 Subject: Re: Magic(k) Sent UpdReq Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you. I've been out of town for awhile. Yes, where did I leave off? Could you refresh my memory. In the meantime, I'll ramble a bit. I don't know if I've gone into some of the basics - like the definition of Magick that we work with. (Magick is the intentional process of Self transformation.) Magick has a way of being sandwiched into other "systemic" approaches to "life, the universe and everything". Rather than go over the same terretory again, I'll wait until I hear from you again, with some more specifics... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Seymour Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 12 Apr 92 22:36:02 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq > CL> At the end of each circle, banish or give leave to depart > CL>all that has come in anwser to your sumons and all that has come > CL>not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies that > CL>have been raised. > CL> Blessed Be! > CL> Camille T> That's something I've never quite understood. If "grounding" T> the raised energy is a means of dispersing it, why would you want to? T> Raising all that energy, just to disperse it? Seems rather a waste of T> time (and energy!) if it's not to be put to some use. And, if the T> energy's been directed towards a purpose, how can it be grounded once sent? T> Wouldn't that prevent it from reaching/accomplishing its intended purpose? > For what it's worth--Tal There is always "surplus" energy to dispose of, even after directing the "cone". A mage walks between the two worlds of ideation and manifestation and modulates the energy exchange between them. However, some of this energy will "rub off" on the mage; the amount varying in inverse proportion to his/her ability to stay "Centered". It is this energy (that which "rubbed off") that needs to be "grounded". Eating works well for some, a good "roll in the hay" with one's partner also works wonders! However, these two "classic" grounding techniques are not always easily attainable or convenient. I have personally found that walking barefoot in the grass works well for me. B*B -Paul- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ian Harper Area: MagickNet To: help 8 Apr 92 10:08:26 Subject: Aleister Crowley Sent UpdReq Hi to you all Can anyone tell the best echo to talk about Mr Crowley in? Thanks...........Ian 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pagan Federation (UK) Area: MagickNet To: Farrell McGovern 7 Apr 92 08:01:00 Subject: RE: religious freedom etc. Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Farrell McGovern to Pagan Federation (UK) <=- FM> Oh, yes, Welcome to the Magicknet Trio! Nice to see more European FM> links! Thanks, It's good to be here FM> BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of FM> the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account that you have on FM> this BBS you are on? And I really don't believe you are the offspring FM> of Mr. and Mrs. Federation . So, could you please Identify Spokesbeing of the Pagan Federation. Mmm. I suppose I am, as if anyone wants to get messages to, or information from the PF then I'm your man, through here, through desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk or BM Box 7097, London, WC1N 3XX, UK. However, any comments I make on various topics should be treated as my own, i.e., not PF utterances unless explicitly stated as such. It should be clear when I'm speaking as the Federation as me (Dee Waredale) or as me (oppinionated git) :-D Dee ... Pagan Federation - desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Brenna Area: MagickNet To: Danny Harris 13 Apr 92 07:58:34 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Danny Harris to Camille Lockyer <=- DH> Ok to ground I usually just lie down on the ground, catch my breath DH> and think callming thoughts is thier a better way to do this? Blessed DH> Be Danny Harris Hi I know I'm sort of butting in here but.. One of the concepts behind grounding is to be able to do it at any time in any place. I think it would be rather hard to liee down and catch your breath in the middle of say a shopping mall. Well at least you would get funny looks anyway. There is usually no "Better" way to do these things only diffrent ways. The best way is the one that feels most comfortable and useful to you in the end. The way I ground is such: I started off sitting on the floor either with my legs crossed or straight out in front of me and then I would imagine myself as a tree I would imagine my spinal cord as my maind root and trunk and send it deep into the earth my legs which were on the floor would become my the above ground roots that stablized me and held me up. Then I would do some breathing exercises until everythig fell into place. I grounded this way until the moment I sat down I could be fully grounded as a reflex and then I started doing it standing up, using the same visualation of course with my feet as the above ground roots. I can now do this any time any place without really thinking about it. Even in a moving car because my "roots" simply move through the earth as I travel. It is one technique to try and a good one if you want to be able to instantly ground. Which is a good thing to be able to do if you are working magic. As it is one of the basics. Bright Blessings, Brenna 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Cave Cub Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 13 Apr 91 15:29:58 Subject: Re: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq Hi Tal, welcome aboard. When you were studying all those metaphysical paths, didn't *anything* seize your interest to really push to explore more fully? If not, I guess you need to keep looking for new paths. Joseph Campbell's philosophy of "Follow Your Bliss" seems almost ludicrously simple, but it works. Pursue what gives you the greatest sense of satisfaction and the doors will open. Sehen Sie auf Der Baron's... Cave Cub 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Chris Replogle Area: MagickNet To: The Shadow 11 Apr 92 14:50:14 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq TS-=> >and I have a journal I put out irregularly TS-=> > calle d VORTEX; I have made a point of studying things like TS-=> > vortexes for years and hope to start clearing up some TS-=> > misconceptions people have about these regions where weird TS-=>SHADOW> Me too. I put out a journal called "Psychic News." TS-=>I use it to keep in touch with my clients (I am a TS-=>professional psychic reader). My last issue had a big TS-=>piece on those circles in the wheat fields. Did you know TS-=>they are not only being seen in England? Other places have TS-=>reported them. Is this a 'vortex?' I was wondering how I would go about getting a copy or back copies of The Vortex or Psychic News? * SLMR 2.1a * A mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nick Frost Area: MagickNet To: Barak 11 Apr 92 17:54:26 Subject: Re: SHEYA Sent UpdReq Now that we have established that we both speak Cabballese- So are you saying here that you teach models and present magick as a complete system? *Nick* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: John Shaman Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 10 Apr 92 14:25:04 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq TA>CL> At the end of each circle, banish or give leave to depart TA>CL>all that has come in anwser to your sumons and all that has come TA>CL>not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies that TA>CL>have been raised. TA>That's something I've never quite understood. If "grounding" the raised TA>energy is a means of dispersing it, why would you want to? Raising all TA>that energy, just to disperse it? Seems rather a waste of time (and TA>energy!) if it's not to be put to some use. And, if the energy's been TA>directed towards a purpose, how can it be grounded once sent? Wouldn't TA>that prevent it from reaching/accomplishing its intended purpose? We raise energy to give to the God and Goddess, and for specific "works". Even after sending off the energy raised, there are always "leftovers" that cling to the participants. There is also the energy that is tied up in Circle itself. These energies cannot be allowed to stay free. If the area in which the Circle was made is one that is used for nothing else, and is a permanent meeting place, the energy can be tied into the space to make it stronger with each use. Otherwise, it needs to be grounded and dispersed so that it will not draw unwanted attention (spirit beings, etc.) that may cause problems. (The excess clinging to the participants may cause headaches or other temporary problems if not grounded or otherwise drained off.) * OLX 2.1 TD * Cinderella married for money! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Tim Maroney 11 Apr 92 16:18:36 Subject: RE: Re: Freddie... Sent UpdReq In a message dated 09 Apr 92 18:55:56, Tim Maroney wrote: TM> Freddie Mercury was sainted at Horus Temple, during the Gnostic Mass TM> the day TM> of his death. Just hought you'd like to know. Thank you for the info. Will they continue to mention him in the future? I will miss his message :/ ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Markie Chao 12 Apr 92 22:51:04 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq MC> T> Any ideas, anyone? Does this sound familiar? How did some of you MC> T> "find your path", or whatever other Shirley-MacLaine-ism you want to MC> T> apply? MC>Read for information, but follow the wisdom in your heart. MC>No one can teach you magic, you must know it for yourself. Well, actually that's kind of the approach I've been trying to follow... and now that you mention it, it does seem that every time I go wandering off in search of structure & such, I tend to become less intimately involved in my development. Starts to become a classroom, not a sanctuary, nor a playground nor powerhouse nor.... In fact, fairly early on in my "studies", I went on a retreat with a group I was working with. Group's structure was pretty loose, with members whose backgrounds ranged from Celtic to Native American to GD to Wiccan to etc etc etc. One night, we cast a "mobile circle", and went down to the beach. I kinda wandered off on my own, out towards the ocean (beach retreat). As I approached the water's edge, I stopped, and began percieving the water not as matter but as patterns of energy. For a while, I just exulted in the splendor I was seeing. Then, without really thinking about it, I began to sing--not unusual in itself, but I wasn't singing in a language I had learned. I began to do some accompanying hand movements, and began a gentle dance, all as a form of simple, joyful celebration--felt very much at one with the world around me. Then, wierdest of all, my hands began to glow. I kid you not--this was confirmed by about half of the group that came down to the beach, who found me by watching these two lights dancing in circles out by the water (it was very dark, even for a public beach)--several of them asked me if I was carrying flashlights or lightstics. I didn't even have a book of matches on me! Had it not been for their validation, I would have thought I dreamed the whole experience. But, the language did seem very familiar--sounded sort of like Hebrew, but not quite. Ever since then, I've been trying to figure out what happened, and then proceed in that direction, but to no direct avail just yet. Part of me says to just run with the feelings, and try to explore on my own, never mind what others may have done. After all, there's all kinds of kooks, charlatans & some downright crazy people running around out there, looking for "students", which is almost reason enough to convince me to abandon all studying right there! On the other hand, it's those same crazies that make me shy away from such blind exploration. The hidden world is a beautiful place, but not without its dangers, and I'd just as soon avoid as many as I can. Hence, my desire for a structured, disciplined form of study. Plus, I'd really like to explore that realm of awareness again, but my attempts to re-create it have failed. So, I plod about, following trail after trail, eagerly seeking strict guidance, hoping to find my way into this Otherworld again, but to be able to do so intentionally, and not to have to rely on happy accidents to further my explorations of that world, the world around me, and (probably most importantly) my own inner landscape. Sorry to be so long-winded, but this is something that's been gnawing at me for some time, but I've not really had a chance to be open about it. Under the relative anonymity of this BBS forum, it seems to be OK to bring this up, & see what (if anything) comes of it, be it finding a Master, getting some feedback, or perhaps simply stirring the pot a bit. Anywho, I'll shut up for now--any thoughts, anyone? --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Shaka, when the walls fell. Tenga? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 12 Apr 92 22:56:06 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq JS>I sit down, make sure of what I know, absorb what I can, throw away what JS>I can't, make as much of a homogenous whole out of what's left over as JS>I can, and by that time, someone (the sub- or superconscious? The Gods?) JS>has built a door in the wall that I can open and walk through whenever JS>I'm ready. Good summary, John--thanks for the input! Sounds pretty familiar--only thing that really bugs me about this scenario is that, every time I get thru the new door, all the scenery has changed, the colors aren't the same on the other side of the door, and my previous frame of reference is usually next to useless. Does this experience sound familiar to you? And if so, what tack do you tend to take? Generally, I end up fumbling about until I get a vague idea of which way is up, and try to go from there. --Tal JS> * OLX 2.1 TD * My name is John Shaman. I'm a witch. I carry a badge. KILLER tag-line, too! I love it!! :) --T. ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Aahhh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found youuu... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 12 Apr 92 23:01:08 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq CL> If you are sending energies out to someone, in a healing ritual CL>they are already on their way by the time you are ready to CL>close the circle. Or held in a contact device such as a CL>candle or crystal. So, would it still be necessary to "ground out", if the energies are sent out? CL> Energies left ungrounded can be dangerous, in a circle you create a CL>space between the worlds. If you just walked away from it, it could CL>beome an astral beacon to all sorts of wayward entities. The energies CL>can come into contact with the unintiated and unprepared, causing CL>damage to them. CL> The energies can always be raised again, and are always ready to be called CL>again. CL> The dangers out weigh the benefits, you are also CL>responsible for the energies scince it was you who called CL>them. If they cause harm, it's CL>your responsibility, remember "Harm None", you will also be the one CL>who faces the Karmic consequences. CL> Blessed Be! CL> Camille Now I'm confused. If the energies are raised for a purpose, why must those energies be dispersed rather than allowed to go forth & do the work they were raised to do? Or is the energy raised and the "structure" used to raise it separate things altogether, and it's the "structure" (casting the circle, etc.) that needs to be earthed? Never did quite understand why the Guardians of the Quarters always had to go away at the circle's closing, instead of sticking around until the working was accomplished. Maybe this is why...? --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Valerian by any other name would smell of old socks.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 12 Apr 92 23:05:10 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq JS>We raise energy to give to the God and Goddess, and for specific JS>"works". Even after sending off the energy raised, there are always JS>"leftovers" that cling to the participants. There is also the energy JS>that is tied up in Circle itself. These energies cannot be allowed to JS>stay free. If the area in which the Circle was made is one that is used JS>for nothing else, and is a permanent meeting place, the energy can be JS>tied into the space to make it stronger with each use. Otherwise, it JS>needs to be grounded and dispersed so that it will not draw unwanted JS>attention (spirit beings, etc.) that may cause problems. (The excess JS>clinging to the participants may cause headaches or other temporary JS>problems if not grounded or otherwise drained off.) Ah--so basically, it's the energy-related equivalent of washing your hands after you're done working on the carbeurator or digging in the garden? *That* makes sense...! (The bit about attracting unknown Critters I understood, but the rest seemed rather odd. I hate doing things just because you're "supposed to"--smacks too much of blindly following arbitrary rules, something I tend to rebel against! I'm a firm believer in "When the reason for the rule ceases, so should the rule itself"!) Grazie! --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Aahhh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found youuu... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Farrell Mcgovern 12 Apr 92 23:07:12 Subject: Re: Magic(k) Sent UpdReq FM> Well, basically, I responded to someone saying that FM>they would like to "teach the world to sing in perfect FM>harmony"...and I said I would rather hear them sing FM>something like Bohemian Rhapsody....and thus it started! Ah. Got it. Sorry to hear that, though--I was hoping for something much more convoluted...! ;) --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Bothered by Schrodinger's Cat? Just ignore it.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Pagan Federation (UK) 12 Apr 92 12:32:14 Subject: RE: religious freedom etc. Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Pagan Federation (UK) @2:440/27 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: -=> Quoting Farrell McGovern to Pagan Federation (UK) <=- FM> BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of FM> the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account that you have on FM> this BBS you are on? And I really don't believe you are the offspring FM> of Mr. and Mrs. Federation . So, could you please Identify PF(> Spokesbeing of the Pagan Federation. Mmm. I suppose I am, as if PF(> anyone wants to get messages to, or information from the PF then I'm PF(> your man, through here, through desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk or BM Box PF(> 7097, London, WC1N 3XX, UK. PF(> However, any comments I make on various topics should be treated as PF(> my own, i.e., not PF utterances unless explicitly stated as such. PF(> It should be clear when I'm speaking as the Federation PF(> as me (Dee Waredale) or as me (oppinionated git) :-D Great! Thanx for clearing that up. Methinks if you want to post a bulletin or somesuch communique from the PF, you might want to do so in Metaphysical, and just do you general msging as before. But that is just an idea...no "the law" from the moderator. :-) ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Fra.: Apfelmann 12 Apr 92 12:36:16 Subject: Chaos-Sphere Sent UpdReq Hi! Nice to see you posting again! Just a note: This excellent article probably would have been better posted in Metaphysical...unless your sysop has it as a read only are...but you should have access to it for posting more of this information. It is appropriate either here or in Meta, but my only concern is that many people are running systems that use the Squish msgbase format for Magicknet and Mundane (which is limited to 16K msgs), and have Meta use the older *.msg format which is not limited in length. So an excellent post here could be lost or truncated...but would not be in Metaphysical...just an idea... Oh, BTW, if you are posting in response to someone, don't worry about putting it in Meta...if they recieve one of the "Magicknet Trio", they should get all three...Magicknet, Mundane and Metaphysical. ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: MagickNet To: Ian Harper 13 Apr 92 11:23:02 Subject: Re: Aleister Crowley UpdReq Ian - 93. There is a Thelema echo, but if your BBS doesn't get it, this one will do for Beastly discussions. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Talin Nightshadow Area: MagickNet To: Mr. Spock 5 Apr 92 21:37:00 Subject: Wicca vs Original religi UpdReq MS> I have been studying Wicca for about the past year and find it a very MS> interesting and viable form of religion. I have always been interested MS> in the what is normally referred to as occult type of beliefs, such as MS> astrology, numerology, etc. I find these and many more beliefs readily MS> available in Wicca. Now the crux of the matter. I was raised a Catholic MS> but have not actually practiced it for about the last 20 years. I still You seem to be in a situation similar to the one that confronts me. I have been looking at Wicca for the past six months and I find many things within it that makes an good deal of sense to me... but I have been raised in a conservative Catholic background. I actually find that it is easier to reconcile (if it is necessary for you to do so) Catholicism with Wiccan beliefs... a lot of the Catholic ceremonies are actually based upon older pagan rituals, and if you've ever participated in a good, midnight mass on Christmas day you will know the power and Light that flow. That, to me, is magick. MS> find myself caught up in some of the religious concepts which were MS> ingrained in me during my early years. I have become involved in Wicca MS> as a solitary practioner but feel these ingrained beliefs are keeping me MS> reaching my full potential as a Wiccan. I find myself I know this feeling as well... those little nagging doubts that sometimes pop up and keep you from fully believing. I haven't gotten rid of them yet, and the only thing I can possibly suggest would be that *you* have to come to grips with your religion... be it Catholicism or Wicca or some combination of that two, on a level that satisfies you. You have to reach this decision on your own... no one else can do it for you. They can offer suggestions and guide you, but the final acceptance must be yours... within your heart. I myself am still looking for the Truth... I think that it's a quest we never quite put away. MS>wondering sometimes MS> if he, meaning God/Jesus, is punishing me for the beliefs I have now MS> accepted into my heart whenever anything "bad" happens to me. I truly Did bad things happen to you when you were a practising Catholic? If you accept God as a benevolent being of Light and Good you must accept that he would never punish someone for believing a different version of Truth. I don't think anyone should be able to say that his way is right and everyone else is wrong... and I don't think God expects that narrow-minded mentality. MS> beleive in the Goddess and God but find myself just absentmindly referrin MS> back to my original religious beliefs sometimes. Is this natural towards MS> the beginning? Will the old beliefs fade eventually? Should I try and MS> find others with whom I can practice with? And how? Thanks in advance MS> and may the Goddess and God bring happiness to all. This may be stretching a bit, but one could say that Catholic theology meshes rather well with belief in the God and Goddess... after all Mary is worshipped and revered along with God and Christ. Maybe that's pushing a little too far, but as I said... many Catholic traditions sprung from Pagan beliefs. Find others and talk with them about the problems you're having. You're most certainly not alone... I'm in much the same position, and I'm sure that there are others out there who are going or have gone through the same transition period that you and I are right now. The old beliefs might never fade completely, but if you've come to a conclusion about your beliefs the old will seem like distant memories from an ancient past... a step on your way to discovering more of the Truth. I hope I helped just a little bit... I'm still working on my own beliefs and I know how you feel. A little lost, a little scared, and always looking up at the sky to dodge the next lightning bolt... :> Blessed be, Talin ___ X OLX 2.1 X Practise random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Paul Busby 11 Apr 92 23:16:50 Subject: Re: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Paul Busby @93:9400/0 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: FM> There are a lot of subjects that need to be talked FM>about, and it would be nice to see everyone here (even FM>those who are lurking) to post at least ONCE A YEAR a short FM>msg about a magickal topic that is very important to you, FM>and you would like to see discussed by the community at FM>large. PB> Well, I'm an Onanist myself. It's a joyful religion, and not as PB> solitary as people often think! }:-) Excuse me for my ignorance...but what is an Onanist? ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Black Tiger 11 Apr 92 23:17:54 Subject: A New Face Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Black Tiger @1:106/48 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: BT> Good Evening Everyone! or Day as the case may be.... BT> I'd like to introduce myself to y'all and announce my intention to BT> frequent this echo. BT> I'm looking forward to all of the interesting conversation that I BT> have been reading through and hope to add to the best of my abilities. BT> BT> Thanx... BT> ... Black Tiger - Brei Leith Grove (Ar Andraiocht Fein); Houston, Welcome! You might be interested in giving eveyone here (for those who don't know) what is the Ar Andraiocht Fein...as well, there is also a Celtic Echo that you might find of some interest... ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Salustra Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 13 Apr 92 01:08:44 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq I sympathize wholeheatedly. I suffer from the same problem myself. I think a lot ofsolitaries do(at least quite a few of the solitaries _I've_ met have the same problem). It is very frustrating to try to work alone without resources or contacts to further one's understanding. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Salustra Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 13 Apr 92 01:11:42 Subject: Re: Freddie... Sent UpdReq Queen has always been one of my favorites. Their music has a touch of the mystical, especially the early stuff(like "My Fairy King"from Queen I and almost every song on Queen II). I am saddened by his death.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Danny Harris Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 10 Apr 92 16:16:00 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq CL> not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies CL> that CL> have been raised. Ok to ground I usually just lie down on the ground, catch my breath and think callming thoughts is thier a better way to do this? Blessed Be Danny Harris 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Barak Area: MagickNet To: Vitriol 12 Apr 92 18:25:30 Subject: Re: Magic(k) Sent UpdReq Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you. I've been out of town for awhile. Yes, where did I leave off? Could you refresh my memory. In the meantime, I'll ramble a bit. I don't know if I've gone into some of the basics - like the definition of Magick that we work with. (Magick is the intentional process of Self transformation.) Magick has a way of being sandwiched into other "systemic" approaches to "life, the universe and everything". Rather than go over the same terretory again, I'll wait until I hear from you again, with some more specifics... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Seymour Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 12 Apr 92 22:36:02 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq > CL> At the end of each circle, banish or give leave to depart > CL>all that has come in anwser to your sumons and all that has come > CL>not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies that > CL>have been raised. > CL> Blessed Be! > CL> Camille T> That's something I've never quite understood. If "grounding" T> the raised energy is a means of dispersing it, why would you want to? T> Raising all that energy, just to disperse it? Seems rather a waste of T> time (and energy!) if it's not to be put to some use. And, if the T> energy's been directed towards a purpose, how can it be grounded once sent? T> Wouldn't that prevent it from reaching/accomplishing its intended purpose? > For what it's worth--Tal There is always "surplus" energy to dispose of, even after directing the "cone". A mage walks between the two worlds of ideation and manifestation and modulates the energy exchange between them. However, some of this energy will "rub off" on the mage; the amount varying in inverse proportion to his/her ability to stay "Centered". It is this energy (that which "rubbed off") that needs to be "grounded". Eating works well for some, a good "roll in the hay" with one's partner also works wonders! However, these two "classic" grounding techniques are not always easily attainable or convenient. I have personally found that walking barefoot in the grass works well for me. B*B -Paul- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ian Harper Area: MagickNet To: help 8 Apr 92 10:08:26 Subject: Aleister Crowley Sent UpdReq Hi to you all Can anyone tell the best echo to talk about Mr Crowley in? Thanks...........Ian 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pagan Federation (UK) Area: MagickNet To: Farrell McGovern 7 Apr 92 08:01:00 Subject: RE: religious freedom etc. Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Farrell McGovern to Pagan Federation (UK) <=- FM> Oh, yes, Welcome to the Magicknet Trio! Nice to see more European FM> links! Thanks, It's good to be here FM> BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of FM> the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account that you have on FM> this BBS you are on? And I really don't believe you are the offspring FM> of Mr. and Mrs. Federation . So, could you please Identify Spokesbeing of the Pagan Federation. Mmm. I suppose I am, as if anyone wants to get messages to, or information from the PF then I'm your man, through here, through desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk or BM Box 7097, London, WC1N 3XX, UK. However, any comments I make on various topics should be treated as my own, i.e., not PF utterances unless explicitly stated as such. It should be clear when I'm speaking as the Federation as me (Dee Waredale) or as me (oppinionated git) :-D Dee ... Pagan Federation - desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Brenna Area: MagickNet To: Danny Harris 13 Apr 92 07:58:34 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq -=> Quoting Danny Harris to Camille Lockyer <=- DH> Ok to ground I usually just lie down on the ground, catch my breath DH> and think callming thoughts is thier a better way to do this? Blessed DH> Be Danny Harris Hi I know I'm sort of butting in here but.. One of the concepts behind grounding is to be able to do it at any time in any place. I think it would be rather hard to liee down and catch your breath in the middle of say a shopping mall. Well at least you would get funny looks anyway. There is usually no "Better" way to do these things only diffrent ways. The best way is the one that feels most comfortable and useful to you in the end. The way I ground is such: I started off sitting on the floor either with my legs crossed or straight out in front of me and then I would imagine myself as a tree I would imagine my spinal cord as my maind root and trunk and send it deep into the earth my legs which were on the floor would become my the above ground roots that stablized me and held me up. Then I would do some breathing exercises until everythig fell into place. I grounded this way until the moment I sat down I could be fully grounded as a reflex and then I started doing it standing up, using the same visualation of course with my feet as the above ground roots. I can now do this any time any place without really thinking about it. Even in a moving car because my "roots" simply move through the earth as I travel. It is one technique to try and a good one if you want to be able to instantly ground. Which is a good thing to be able to do if you are working magic. As it is one of the basics. Bright Blessings, Brenna 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Cave Cub Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 13 Apr 91 15:29:58 Subject: Re: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq Hi Tal, welcome aboard. When you were studying all those metaphysical paths, didn't *anything* seize your interest to really push to explore more fully? If not, I guess you need to keep looking for new paths. Joseph Campbell's philosophy of "Follow Your Bliss" seems almost ludicrously simple, but it works. Pursue what gives you the greatest sense of satisfaction and the doors will open. Sehen Sie auf Der Baron's... Cave Cub 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Chris Replogle Area: MagickNet To: The Shadow 11 Apr 92 14:50:14 Subject: Vortex Sent UpdReq TS-=> >and I have a journal I put out irregularly TS-=> > calle d VORTEX; I have made a point of studying things like TS-=> > vortexes for years and hope to start clearing up some TS-=> > misconceptions people have about these regions where weird TS-=>SHADOW> Me too. I put out a journal called "Psychic News." TS-=>I use it to keep in touch with my clients (I am a TS-=>professional psychic reader). My last issue had a big TS-=>piece on those circles in the wheat fields. Did you know TS-=>they are not only being seen in England? Other places have TS-=>reported them. Is this a 'vortex?' I was wondering how I would go about getting a copy or back copies of The Vortex or Psychic News? * SLMR 2.1a * A mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nick Frost Area: MagickNet To: Barak 11 Apr 92 17:54:26 Subject: Re: SHEYA Sent UpdReq Now that we have established that we both speak Cabballese- So are you saying here that you teach models and present magick as a complete system? *Nick* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: John Shaman Area: MagickNet To: Taliesin 10 Apr 92 14:25:04 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq TA>CL> At the end of each circle, banish or give leave to depart TA>CL>all that has come in anwser to your sumons and all that has come TA>CL>not in anwser to your sumons. Also ground or "earth" the energies that TA>CL>have been raised. TA>That's something I've never quite understood. If "grounding" the raised TA>energy is a means of dispersing it, why would you want to? Raising all TA>that energy, just to disperse it? Seems rather a waste of time (and TA>energy!) if it's not to be put to some use. And, if the energy's been TA>directed towards a purpose, how can it be grounded once sent? Wouldn't TA>that prevent it from reaching/accomplishing its intended purpose? We raise energy to give to the God and Goddess, and for specific "works". Even after sending off the energy raised, there are always "leftovers" that cling to the participants. There is also the energy that is tied up in Circle itself. These energies cannot be allowed to stay free. If the area in which the Circle was made is one that is used for nothing else, and is a permanent meeting place, the energy can be tied into the space to make it stronger with each use. Otherwise, it needs to be grounded and dispersed so that it will not draw unwanted attention (spirit beings, etc.) that may cause problems. (The excess clinging to the participants may cause headaches or other temporary problems if not grounded or otherwise drained off.) * OLX 2.1 TD * Cinderella married for money! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Tim Maroney 11 Apr 92 16:18:36 Subject: RE: Re: Freddie... Sent UpdReq In a message dated 09 Apr 92 18:55:56, Tim Maroney wrote: TM> Freddie Mercury was sainted at Horus Temple, during the Gnostic Mass TM> the day TM> of his death. Just hought you'd like to know. Thank you for the info. Will they continue to mention him in the future? I will miss his message :/ ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Markie Chao 12 Apr 92 22:51:04 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq MC> T> Any ideas, anyone? Does this sound familiar? How did some of you MC> T> "find your path", or whatever other Shirley-MacLaine-ism you want to MC> T> apply? MC>Read for information, but follow the wisdom in your heart. MC>No one can teach you magic, you must know it for yourself. Well, actually that's kind of the approach I've been trying to follow... and now that you mention it, it does seem that every time I go wandering off in search of structure & such, I tend to become less intimately involved in my development. Starts to become a classroom, not a sanctuary, nor a playground nor powerhouse nor.... In fact, fairly early on in my "studies", I went on a retreat with a group I was working with. Group's structure was pretty loose, with members whose backgrounds ranged from Celtic to Native American to GD to Wiccan to etc etc etc. One night, we cast a "mobile circle", and went down to the beach. I kinda wandered off on my own, out towards the ocean (beach retreat). As I approached the water's edge, I stopped, and began percieving the water not as matter but as patterns of energy. For a while, I just exulted in the splendor I was seeing. Then, without really thinking about it, I began to sing--not unusual in itself, but I wasn't singing in a language I had learned. I began to do some accompanying hand movements, and began a gentle dance, all as a form of simple, joyful celebration--felt very much at one with the world around me. Then, wierdest of all, my hands began to glow. I kid you not--this was confirmed by about half of the group that came down to the beach, who found me by watching these two lights dancing in circles out by the water (it was very dark, even for a public beach)--several of them asked me if I was carrying flashlights or lightstics. I didn't even have a book of matches on me! Had it not been for their validation, I would have thought I dreamed the whole experience. But, the language did seem very familiar--sounded sort of like Hebrew, but not quite. Ever since then, I've been trying to figure out what happened, and then proceed in that direction, but to no direct avail just yet. Part of me says to just run with the feelings, and try to explore on my own, never mind what others may have done. After all, there's all kinds of kooks, charlatans & some downright crazy people running around out there, looking for "students", which is almost reason enough to convince me to abandon all studying right there! On the other hand, it's those same crazies that make me shy away from such blind exploration. The hidden world is a beautiful place, but not without its dangers, and I'd just as soon avoid as many as I can. Hence, my desire for a structured, disciplined form of study. Plus, I'd really like to explore that realm of awareness again, but my attempts to re-create it have failed. So, I plod about, following trail after trail, eagerly seeking strict guidance, hoping to find my way into this Otherworld again, but to be able to do so intentionally, and not to have to rely on happy accidents to further my explorations of that world, the world around me, and (probably most importantly) my own inner landscape. Sorry to be so long-winded, but this is something that's been gnawing at me for some time, but I've not really had a chance to be open about it. Under the relative anonymity of this BBS forum, it seems to be OK to bring this up, & see what (if anything) comes of it, be it finding a Master, getting some feedback, or perhaps simply stirring the pot a bit. Anywho, I'll shut up for now--any thoughts, anyone? --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Shaka, when the walls fell. Tenga? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 12 Apr 92 22:56:06 Subject: Topic Du Jour Sent UpdReq JS>I sit down, make sure of what I know, absorb what I can, throw away what JS>I can't, make as much of a homogenous whole out of what's left over as JS>I can, and by that time, someone (the sub- or superconscious? The Gods?) JS>has built a door in the wall that I can open and walk through whenever JS>I'm ready. Good summary, John--thanks for the input! Sounds pretty familiar--only thing that really bugs me about this scenario is that, every time I get thru the new door, all the scenery has changed, the colors aren't the same on the other side of the door, and my previous frame of reference is usually next to useless. Does this experience sound familiar to you? And if so, what tack do you tend to take? Generally, I end up fumbling about until I get a vague idea of which way is up, and try to go from there. --Tal JS> * OLX 2.1 TD * My name is John Shaman. I'm a witch. I carry a badge. KILLER tag-line, too! I love it!! :) --T. ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Aahhh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found youuu... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 12 Apr 92 23:01:08 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq CL> If you are sending energies out to someone, in a healing ritual CL>they are already on their way by the time you are ready to CL>close the circle. Or held in a contact device such as a CL>candle or crystal. So, would it still be necessary to "ground out", if the energies are sent out? CL> Energies left ungrounded can be dangerous, in a circle you create a CL>space between the worlds. If you just walked away from it, it could CL>beome an astral beacon to all sorts of wayward entities. The energies CL>can come into contact with the unintiated and unprepared, causing CL>damage to them. CL> The energies can always be raised again, and are always ready to be called CL>again. CL> The dangers out weigh the benefits, you are also CL>responsible for the energies scince it was you who called CL>them. If they cause harm, it's CL>your responsibility, remember "Harm None", you will also be the one CL>who faces the Karmic consequences. CL> Blessed Be! CL> Camille Now I'm confused. If the energies are raised for a purpose, why must those energies be dispersed rather than allowed to go forth & do the work they were raised to do? Or is the energy raised and the "structure" used to raise it separate things altogether, and it's the "structure" (casting the circle, etc.) that needs to be earthed? Never did quite understand why the Guardians of the Quarters always had to go away at the circle's closing, instead of sticking around until the working was accomplished. Maybe this is why...? --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Valerian by any other name would smell of old socks.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 12 Apr 92 23:05:10 Subject: Re: Vortex Sent UpdReq JS>We raise energy to give to the God and Goddess, and for specific JS>"works". Even after sending off the energy raised, there are always JS>"leftovers" that cling to the participants. There is also the energy JS>that is tied up in Circle itself. These energies cannot be allowed to JS>stay free. If the area in which the Circle was made is one that is used JS>for nothing else, and is a permanent meeting place, the energy can be JS>tied into the space to make it stronger with each use. Otherwise, it JS>needs to be grounded and dispersed so that it will not draw unwanted JS>attention (spirit beings, etc.) that may cause problems. (The excess JS>clinging to the participants may cause headaches or other temporary JS>problems if not grounded or otherwise drained off.) Ah--so basically, it's the energy-related equivalent of washing your hands after you're done working on the carbeurator or digging in the garden? *That* makes sense...! (The bit about attracting unknown Critters I understood, but the rest seemed rather odd. I hate doing things just because you're "supposed to"--smacks too much of blindly following arbitrary rules, something I tend to rebel against! I'm a firm believer in "When the reason for the rule ceases, so should the rule itself"!) Grazie! --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Aahhh, sweet mystery of life, at last I've found youuu... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taliesin Area: MagickNet To: Farrell Mcgovern 12 Apr 92 23:07:12 Subject: Re: Magic(k) Sent UpdReq FM> Well, basically, I responded to someone saying that FM>they would like to "teach the world to sing in perfect FM>harmony"...and I said I would rather hear them sing FM>something like Bohemian Rhapsody....and thus it started! Ah. Got it. Sorry to hear that, though--I was hoping for something much more convoluted...! ;) --Tal ___ * SLMR 2.0 #2266 * Bothered by Schrodinger's Cat? Just ignore it.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Pagan Federation (UK) 12 Apr 92 12:32:14 Subject: RE: religious freedom etc. Sent UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Pagan Federation (UK) @2:440/27 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: -=> Quoting Farrell McGovern to Pagan Federation (UK) <=- FM> BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of FM> the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account that you have on FM> this BBS you are on? And I really don't believe you are the offspring FM> of Mr. and Mrs. Federation . So, could you please Identify PF(> Spokesbeing of the Pagan Federation. Mmm. I suppose I am, as if PF(> anyone wants to get messages to, or information from the PF then I'm PF(> your man, through here, through desdrw@cix.compulink.co.uk or BM Box PF(> 7097, London, WC1N 3XX, UK. PF(> However, any comments I make on various topics should be treated as PF(> my own, i.e., not PF utterances unless explicitly stated as such. PF(> It should be clear when I'm speaking as the Federation PF(> as me (Dee Waredale) or as me (oppinionated git) :-D Great! Thanx for clearing that up. Methinks if you want to post a bulletin or somesuch communique from the PF, you might want to do so in Metaphysical, and just do you general msging as before. But that is just an idea...no "the law" from the moderator. :-) ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Fra.: Apfelmann 12 Apr 92 12:36:16 Subject: Chaos-Sphere Sent UpdReq Hi! Nice to see you posting again! Just a note: This excellent article probably would have been better posted in Metaphysical...unless your sysop has it as a read only are...but you should have access to it for posting more of this information. It is appropriate either here or in Meta, but my only concern is that many people are running systems that use the Squish msgbase format for Magicknet and Mundane (which is limited to 16K msgs), and have Meta use the older *.msg format which is not limited in length. So an excellent post here could be lost or truncated...but would not be in Metaphysical...just an idea... Oh, BTW, if you are posting in response to someone, don't worry about putting it in Meta...if they recieve one of the "Magicknet Trio", they should get all three...Magicknet, Mundane and Metaphysical. ttyl Farrell Moderator 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: MagickNet To: Ian Harper 13 Apr 92 11:23:02 Subject: Re: Aleister Crowley UpdReq Ian - 93. There is a Thelema echo, but if your BBS doesn't get it, this one will do for Beastly discussions. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Talin Nightshadow Area: MagickNet To: Mr. Spock 5 Apr 92 21:37:00 Subject: Wicca vs Original religi UpdReq MS> I have been studying Wicca for about the past year and find it a very MS> interesting and viable form of religion. I have always been interested MS> in the what is normally referred to as occult type of beliefs, such as MS> astrology, numerology, etc. I find these and many more beliefs readily MS> available in Wicca. Now the crux of the matter. I was raised a Catholic MS> but have not actually practiced it for about the last 20 years. I still You seem to be in a situation similar to the one that confronts me. I have been looking at Wicca for the past six months and I find many things within it that makes an good deal of sense to me... but I have been raised in a conservative Catholic background. I actually find that it is easier to reconcile (if it is necessary for you to do so) Catholicism with Wiccan beliefs... a lot of the Catholic ceremonies are actually based upon older pagan rituals, and if you've ever participated in a good, midnight mass on Christmas day you will know the power and Light that flow. That, to me, is magick. MS> find myself caught up in some of the religious concepts which were MS> ingrained in me during my early years. I have become involved in Wicca MS> as a solitary practioner but feel these ingrained beliefs are keeping me MS> reaching my full potential as a Wiccan. I find myself I know this feeling as well... those little nagging doubts that sometimes pop up and keep you from fully believing. I haven't gotten rid of them yet, and the only thing I can possibly suggest would be that *you* have to come to grips with your religion... be it Catholicism or Wicca or some combination of that two, on a level that satisfies you. You have to reach this decision on your own... no one else can do it for you. They can offer suggestions and guide you, but the final acceptance must be yours... within your heart. I myself am still looking for the Truth... I think that it's a quest we never quite put away. MS>wondering sometimes MS> if he, meaning God/Jesus, is punishing me for the beliefs I have now MS> accepted into my heart whenever anything "bad" happens to me. I truly Did bad things happen to you when you were a practising Catholic? If you accept God as a benevolent being of Light and Good you must accept that he would never punish someone for believing a different version of Truth. I don't think anyone should be able to say that his way is right and everyone else is wrong... and I don't think God expects that narrow-minded mentality. MS> beleive in the Goddess and God but find myself just absentmindly referrin MS> back to my original religious beliefs sometimes. Is this natural towards MS> the beginning? Will the old beliefs fade eventually? Should I try and MS> find others with whom I can practice with? And how? Thanks in advance MS> and may the Goddess and God bring happiness to all. This may be stretching a bit, but one could say that Catholic theology meshes rather well with belief in the God and Goddess... after all Mary is worshipped and revered along with God and Christ. Maybe that's pushing a little too far, but as I said... many Catholic traditions sprung from Pagan beliefs. Find others and talk with them about the problems you're having. You're most certainly not alone... I'm in much the same position, and I'm sure that there are others out there who are going or have gone through the same transition period that you and I are right now. The old beliefs might never fade completely, but if you've come to a conclusion about your beliefs the old will seem like distant memories from an ancient past... a step on your way to discovering more of the Truth. I hope I helped just a little bit... I'm still working on my own beliefs and I know how you feel. A little lost, a little scared, and always looking up at the sky to dodge the next lightning bolt... :> Blessed be, Talin ___ X OLX 2.1 X Practise random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718