From: Glenn Sieb Area: MagickNet To: Moon Puppy 6 Apr 92 14:59:00 Subject: Hi ho... Sent UpdReq MP>hmmm, analyzing... MP> prepare ritual space MP> declaration of purpose MP> raising of power MP> focus power to purpose MP> cease manipulation of power MP> close ritual space MP>yes, a tidy ritual and well couched in your eclectic system. mind you I know MP>people who would have kittens over your choice of God(s) and Goddess(es) MP> heh..thanks... I find that those gods/goddesses seem to be working quite well together. Everyone who's been here feels at home...which is just the feeling I was hoping for with those aspects... MP> i find it takes me about two to six months of settling into a new place MP>before the magical ambiance feels comfortable. a moving party with friends who MP>are aware of my interests helps, one man asked, "is this something you don't MP>want people touching?". Yeah, I agree on that. Jeni was like "Um....I'll let you pack this stuff" (keep in mind, at that point, I had no 'ritual' tools, per se (iow: nothing I used over & over again...I didn't have any 'dedicated' tools when I moved). I thought it was sort of cute, actually..hehe. As I told her: You're one of my closest friends, Jen. I'm not going to tell you that you can't touch my ritual implements. If you were my enemy, on the other hand... Talk to you soon, Lars! HUGS! B*B Glenn --- # SLMR 2.0 # Telebit, Telebit, who's got a Telebit? * Origin: The Quill & Inkpot BBS, Garfield, NJ (201) 340 1340 (93:9400/1) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Glenn Sieb Area: MagickNet To: Theseus 6 Apr 92 14:59:02 Subject: Re: HOMOSEXUALITY AND YOU Sent UpdReq TH>That's part of the problem we are faced with: is there such a thing as Gay TH>spirituality? And how does it differ from spirituality that is not defined TH>by sexual/cultural identity? Theseus-- Try reading this book, from St. Martin's Press, StoneWall Editions: Thompson, Mark,_Gay Spirit: Myth and Meaning_, (c)1987, ISBN: 0-312-00600-4, 0-312-01765-0 (pbk.) It's a very good book, deals with Native American, Radical Faeries, and a whole host of other topics... B*B Glenn (Write me snail, and I'll tell you more about it if you're interested...) --- # SLMR 2.0 # Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic * Origin: The Quill & Inkpot BBS, Garfield, NJ (201) 340 1340 (93:9400/1) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Glenn Sieb Area: MagickNet To: Farrell Mcgovern 6 Apr 92 15:23:00 Subject: Re: Magic(k) Sent UpdReq FM> V> Yeah, sure. Umpteen billion people going "Mama mia, mama mia"... FM> V> Get a grip. Oh, I dunno.... I can imagine umpteen billion people singing: Mamma Mia let me go! Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me... :} B*B Glenn }:-) --- # SLMR 2.0 # It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a * Origin: The Quill & Inkpot BBS, Garfield, NJ (201) 340 1340 (93:9400/1) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: LORD HADES 6 Apr 92 10:50:00 Subject: Re: HM... Sent UpdReq -=> LORD HADES sent a message to ALL on 03-08-92 22:40 <=- -=> HM... <=- LH> Since 'magick' is usually only specifically told to the LH> initiate... or rather the secrets or mysteries are protected or not LH> revealled because of oath or custom or whatever... Actually, it's everywhere. There's no better place to hide something than right in front of people. But seeing a jet and flying it are two different things. ... First socks, THEN shoes! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Vitriol Area: MagickNet To: Spider 6 Apr 92 10:52:00 Subject: Re: PC Compatible Astrology Sent UpdReq -=> Spider sent a message to All on 03-17-92 11:49 <=- -=> PC Compatible Astrology <=- S> looking for some fairly sophisticated astrology software that will run S> on a PC compatible. I need to be able to not only draw up charts, but S> to be able to cross two charts as well. Interpretation is not S> necessary, although it could be useful. This does *not* need to be Astrol 9.6, which IS shareware BTW, will do chart comparisons and compatibility analyses. ... Custer wore arrow shirts. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: MagickNet To: Lord Hades 6 Apr 92 10:30:42 Subject: Re: HM... Sent UpdReq Hades - Well, yeah, I grant you it was a dazing and confusing post... Specific magical techniques, group rituals, etc. are often protected by oaths of secrecy. This is often the occult equivalent of copyright (g). However, the underlying principles, and (I would venture to say) all of the main "engineering" techniques of magical work are about as secret as a dictionary, as inaccessible as poetic inspiration. Sorry, that was pompous: I mean, the data are available with a small amount of research (a real literary researcher would call it trivial) and the psychological motive force is something each individual finds for himself, regardless of affiliations with orders, circles, etc. So unless you were trying to talk around something you are yourself oath bound from revealing (always a tricky problem in these discussions) there is nothing you can ask that someone here will be unable to answer. If someone has informed you that the real secrets of magick can only be conferred by some muckety muck adept in a secret initiatory setting, you have already learned one valuable fact about the practice of magick: there are a lot of assholes involved in it. In that case, in fact, you have now met two of them: whoever bent your ear about the ineffable arcana, and myself (of the aggressively "real secrets could be tattooed on Bo Derek's tits without violating secrecy, since only those who are "ready" will understand them" school of thought). Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Moon Puppy 5 Apr 92 21:39:10 Subject: Re: Christian Magick UpdReq In a message dated 02 Apr 92 23:29:55, Moon Puppy wrote: >and in Massqchusetts: > >Apotheosis Camp (OTO) >RR 1 Box 11 South Road >Ashby, MA 01431 > MP> Sorry Gerald, Apotheosis has closed/moved and it's leaders MP> are no longer in Massachussets. There is an active group of OTO south MP> of Boston but I have no address or contact person. Have not heard of MP> Knights Templar Camp so I can't report on it's status. Rhumor has it that there will be another OTO Camp in the works in the very near future in MASS. Hang in there I will notify you as soon as I am able. 93 ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: John Shaman Area: MagickNet To: Theseus 5 Apr 92 14:28:00 Subject: Re: HOMOSEXUALITY AND YO UpdReq TH>John made a hypnotic gesture, and this message appeared ... TH> > Spirituality, in its' pure form, transcends sexuality, politics, etc. TH>That's what it's all about! Ja, so why the discussion in the first place? 'S silly! ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Static Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 5 Apr 92 19:08:00 Subject: Re: Vortex UpdReq What ever you feel is relevant. Treat this as if I am completely new to this data. But, to be more exact: give me the times, places, phenomena. Then I can ask additional questions as they arise. And you will, of course, get a copy of my Journal and an overview of what we do. I am very interested in what you ahve to say. thanx ofr getting back to me. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Cassiopeia Area: MagickNet To: Gwion Bach 5 Apr 92 13:40:00 Subject: Sex as a tool for reproduction UpdReq I saw your post to Talin, and I thought I would comment on it. I think that sex is just a part of making love as a whole. Sure, you can have sex, for sex' sake, just to relieve tension/stress, whatever, but making love is all-encompassing. CaSS 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718