From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Tim Maroney 30 Mar 92 16:08:42 Subject: RE: Re: religious freedom et UpdReq In a message dated 26 Mar 92 11:27:09, Tim Maroney wrote: TM> You ought to have informed your correspondent that the first account TM> of the TM> incident, written by Bill Heidrick, was later found to contain quite TM> a few TM> factual errors. Is there a current fact-checked canonical account, I TM> wonder? Hmmmm. No I wasn't aware of that. Heidrick's account WAS the one I was refering to. As far as I know there isn't anything else written on the subject :/ When the court case is over, the court transcripts will become public accessable. Perhaps that will be the best way to get the info, ey? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gwion Bach Area: MagickNet To: Talin Nightshadow 30 Mar 92 12:17:14 Subject: Tinsel UpdReq I think I am able to answer your questions, in a way, by simply asking you questions. The first one being, do you consider all sex making love? The second being, if two people are physically unable to perform the act of sex does that mean that they cannot make love? I see sex as being a reproduction tool and although I will not infringe my beliefs on others by espousing a universal right or wrong, I do think it is possible to make love to someone without having sex. I see sex as reproduction, the certain slang terms as simply pleasure (not all the times), and making love as an emotional/mental stimulus shared between two loving people. I think I am confusing you more than I am helping you understand so I will stop for now and see what your next post looks like. Blessed be. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: John Shaman Area: MagickNet To: Gwion Bach 30 Mar 92 17:35:12 Subject: Tinsel UpdReq The concept of "making love" meaning "having sex" is a fairly recent one. I think it's probably a direct outcome of the 60's "free love" movement. All it *used* to mean was serious flirting, with some kissing and cuddling. Realizing that you're not ready for anything more than that at this time is very mature of you, provided you're not thinking of *keeping* that attitude. Nothing wrong with it for yourself, but you're going to have a heck of a time finding a mate who's going to be willing to live with you on that basis. You would also be cutting yourself off from a potential power source (magickal). ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beaty. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tim Maroney Area: MagickNet To: Bobby Meizer 29 Mar 92 11:54:24 Subject: RE: Re: TINSEL UpdReq Oh no! Not the blasphemy agaionst the Holy Ghost! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tim Maroney Area: MagickNet To: Farrell Mcgovern 29 Mar 92 11:56:46 Subject: RE: Christian Magick UpdReq > I would like to establish a few groundrules before it hits usenet bigtime. USENET doesn't have ground rules. USENET's content is determined by its users rather than by control-freak "moderators". 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Static Area: MagickNet To: Camille Lockyer 29 Mar 92 09:49:00 Subject: Vortex UpdReq Sorry to say, we at Purgatory cannot oblige on the Net Mail. Wish I could. You can either call (there will be a phone# accompanying this note) or you may send me the data at my PO Box: contact me c/o Vortex, Institute of Anomalistics, P.O. Box 691331, Tulsa, OK 74169-1331. I would like to study your case more closely. So, please either leave me a Personal message or drop me a line. Look forward to hearing from you; I always appreciate input and I am truly sorry I cannot be more accomodating!vsleavTts 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Pagan Federation (UK) 30 Mar 92 13:25:40 Subject: RE: religious freedom etc. UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Pagan Federation (UK) @2:440/27 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: PF(> The Temple of Psychic Youth, ISN'T a religious group, Genesis P PF(> Orrige (the leader) has declaired he has no belief in metaphysical PF(> things, but believes that human potential can be enhanced by PF(> ritualistic sex and is VERY VERY much into S&M. I just taped a segment of our Much Music, Canada's Music Video station, on Genesis P-Orrige, and Psykic TV. It was on "body piercing". Oh, yes, Welcome to the Magicknet Trio! Nice to see more European links! BTW, Are you giving us this information as the Spokesperson of the Pagan Federation, or is it simply the account that you have on this BBS you are on? And I really don't believe you are the offspring of Mr. and Mrs. Federation . So, could you please Identify yourself with some sort of name? Don't have to be a "real name", or even a Craft name...just some moniker to show you are not the offspring of Mr. and Mrs. Federation. Now, if you are acting as the Spokesperson for the Pagan Federation, then ignore the above! ttyl Farrell, Moderator: Magicknet Mundane Metaphysical 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Farrell McGovern Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 30 Mar 92 13:55:38 Subject: Re: Magic(k) UpdReq In a lo-rez cyberspace object, Gerald Del Campo @1:349/7 texuralized the following thoughts onto the reality grid of my fav VR co-ordinates: GDC> In a message dated 24 Mar 92 14:30:30, Farrell Mcgovern wrote: FM> I would prefer "Bohemian Rhapsody"...or..."Bicycle/Fat Bottomed FM> Girls"! GDC> Keeping with the subject; wouldn't "Death on Two Legs" be more GDC> appropriate? ]>:-) Then again, I *am* just stating my fave Queen tracks...but think about the sound of the world singing "Bohemian Rhapsody"...it would be truly awsome! ttyl Farrell 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: FaintingGoat Area: MagickNet To: Talin Nightshadow 27 Mar 92 18:28:00 Subject: Re: Christian Magick UpdReq TN> Right now I'm a boarding senior at McCallie School in Chattanooga, TN> Blessed Be. TN> Talin Greetings from the class of '78! Is Wolfman Boyd still there? FaintingGoat ___ X SLMR 2.1a X 1 year in S Hutch; 2 in Belk (1 WITH a Belk!) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: FaintingGoat Area: MagickNet To: Jonathon 29 Mar 92 11:50:02 Subject: Re: Relativity et Al Ein UpdReq JO>FA>Roosters ALWAYS roll towards the side that says JO>FA> SEE ROCK CITY JO>FA>(Its a TN/GA joke) JO> and alabama joke as well << albeit you have to drive thru ga to get JO> there. I guess it covers all the seven states you can SEE from ROCK CITY. JO>FA> * Origin: Star In The Circle BBS. Be ye mystic! (93:9810/9) JO> ^ JO> | JO> just where is that board located? JO> i don't recognise it as a bbs in georgia JO> << or at least in atlanta >> JO> 93 JO> jonathon Star is in Cincinnati. I'm in No. Kentucky, but was raised all over Tennessee: Born in Nashville, grew up in Memphis, didn't grow at all in Chattanooga :-) but was in H.S. there, back to Memphis, grew a little more, back to Nashville and out...so I've SEEn plenty of ROCK CITY signs...been there once, all I could see was GA...and it wasn't pretty, but I guess that's pretty RELATIVE (notice how I craftily worm my way back to the thread...) FaintingGoat (A variety of animal originally from the Knoxville environs) ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Some things change, some stay the same. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Foad Area: MagickNet To: Tim Maroney 1 Apr 92 10:02:00 Subject: RE: Christian Magick UpdReq Yeaaa, Hip hip HORRAY!!! I am with you 1000E.25% 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: MagickNet To: Bobby Meizer 1 Apr 92 02:24:42 Subject: RE: Re: Xtian magic UpdReq In a message dated 29 Mar 92 02:07:43, Bobby Meizer wrote: GDC>I have practiced and participated in many Gnaostic Catholic Masses BM> I guess you meant 'Chaostic' No. I meant Gnostic. GDC>and never attended one where cheap wine was used. Communion should be GDC>a special occasion I think, and therefore only the best possible GDC>ingredients should be used. BM> What is the difference between this and priggish snobbery? If you BM> witnessed a mass which was well-performed by a team which was BM> obviously sympatico with the ritual and each other would you then BM> sneer because all they could afford was some generic red wine? I BM> can't believe you are that hungup on inessentials. What are you BM> really trying to say? I believe that the Mass is something special. Lacking funds for good wine certainly would not make the Mass any less apealling. As a priest I prefer to serve the best wine I can afford; after all we ARE administering virtues to the brethren, and the experience of communing should be a pleasant one. I come from a place where priests are very few and far in between. Great care is taken to provide communiocants with the best. I would not feel good about using Thunderbird for a Mass. That's all I was REALLY trying to say. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gwion Bach Area: MagickNet To: John Shaman 31 Mar 92 14:57:18 Subject: Tinsel UpdReq Yes, I realize that. I am glad you understand also. I do feel the sex magic(k) is very powerful and that is the only drawback I see to my situation. I feel however that chanting and dancing raise a much powerful magic(k) although different. I much prefer the latter. I do welcome your compliment and I am glad that you at least understand what I was trying to say. Thank you. Blessed be. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: MagickNet To: Tim Maroney 31 Mar 92 21:26:12 Subject: RE: Christian Magick UpdReq In a msg on , Tim Maroney of 1:125/51 writes: TM> USENET doesn't have ground rules. USENET's content is determined TM> by its users rather than by control-freak "moderators". Really? Then what are all of those moderated groups (like sci.nanotech and others) doing there? Are they not Usenet suddenly? Wassail, Grendel 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Camille Lockyer Area: MagickNet To: Static 1 Apr 92 07:39:00 Subject: Vortex UpdReq > Sorry to say, we at Purgatory cannot oblige on the Net Mail. > I always appreciate input and I am truly sorry I cannot be > more accomodating!vsleavTts No problemo! What more info on the vortex did you want? I've got the address and will drop you a line as soon as I know what info you are requireing. B*B Camille 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Camille Lockyer Area: MagickNet To: William Hunter 1 Apr 92 07:50:00 Subject: Vortex UpdReq > Whew. These make my tales of magickal derring-do sound tame > in comparison. Weirdly enough, I'm envious on one level, of > this weirdness. Must be fascinating, though stressful. One other wierdness, I was initiated right after and was informed, not by my Hps, but by someone else from the circle, that the colors of my cords, were much higher ranking than I thought. The colors were given to me by the Hps. She still hasn't told me about it and I wonder if she will. Everyone else knows my rank already, why doesn't she tell me? If you are wondering why I don't name the rank, it's because we are not allowed to publically admit it. Blessed Be! Camille 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: David Hartis Area: MagickNet To: Markie Chao 1 Apr 92 09:55:00 Subject: Chaossphere Rec'd UpdReq MC> DH> Well, there are hand scanners availble...(grin) MC> MC> I just got a new car and took an extended trip to London so MC> cash is a little scarce...wanna lend me yours? (Bigger MC> Grin) Ahhh...I don't have one either I have to save up for a Vga monitor. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: MagickNet To: Gerald Del Campo 2 Apr 92 09:34:00 Subject: RE: Re: religious freedo Sent UpdReq GDC>In a message dated 26 Mar 92 11:27:09, Tim Maroney wrote: GDC> TM> You ought to have informed your correspondent that the first account GDC> TM> incident, written by Bill Heidrick, was later found to contain quite GDC> TM> factual errors. Is there a current fact-checked canonical account, I GDC>Hmmmm. No I wasn't aware of that. Heidrick's account WAS GDC>the one I was refering to. As far as I know there isn't GDC>anything else written on the subject :/ There are two accounts by Heidrick, both appearing in the Thelema Lodge Newsletter. I think the second one is the one that points out the errors, but perhaps Tim would be so good as to cite his fears? (Oh no! Not That!) * SLMR 2.1a * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718